Newbie 2096 | Nathan For You | Endgame

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Alright, voting Somnus requires little effort though...

[Spartan117]

Does it help you Spartan if I like your recent posting a lot more and no longer want to lynch you?

My opinion on you wont change based on you no longer wanting to lynch me, like before I didnt think you was scum based on you just wanting to lynch me, it was the way that you did it that I didnt like, I havent felt comfortable with your sheeping on votes and wagons.
I'm not totally sure why you like my recent posting more so than previous I've not been trying to do anything differently.

The most important thing from my opinion, on you no longer wanting to eliminate me is if you are town it enables you to take off the goggles and scum hunt others and form reads on them.
Even if you are or were still scum reading me and think I am one of the scum I just want you to be able to look for the other scum if you are/were certain it is me. Although to look for them without me in mind, as looking at everyone else through spartan tinted glasses will only make it harder for TownBBT as they should know I am not 100% scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Does it help you Spartan if I like your recent posting a lot more and no longer want to lynch you?

The most important thing from my opinion, on you no longer wanting to eliminate me is if you are town it enables you to take off the goggles and scum hunt others and form reads on them.
Even if you are or were still scum reading me and think I am one of the scum I just want you to be able to look for the other scum if you are/were certain it is me.

Although to look for them without me in mind, as looking at everyone else through spartan tinted glasses will only make it harder for TownBBT as they should know I am not 100% scum.

This is interesting - is this not exactly what Vasex is doing? Basing all of his reads/contributions through the lens of Scum!BBT. Are you only concerned with me doing it because I was scum reading you or is it a general disliking of that style?

[Spartan117]

I think I still have some outstanding questions for you too, Rad.

In the meantime until he is able to get back to you I think this is the bulk of what he has said so far, I have yet to go through it myself hoping to give it a better look later tonight or tomorrow.

I held off on my Whiskey post analysis, but I think Spartan is required here.

Spoiler: Spartan Analysis

#137 - hello post, gives a townie read on vasex but not directly, justifies vasex's play with theory
#154 - More theory, but good theory. Pushes for activity. Town read on Somnus, Vasex, Cheap. Vote on me. Overall a very juicy post with a lot of openness.
#184 - He's right, it's easy for scum to call for activity, which I did. However, town can also do that, so it's a tricky read. Me trying to get some commitment to time people will be posting COULD be used as a scum gotcha in the future, so it's reasonable for him to read my move like that. He thinks I'm trying to get others to scumhunt for me but no, that wasn't my intention. However, reasonable read from him. Makes a claim that me and BBT aren't a scum team.
#189 - quick hammer scenario suggested. I'm leaning towards quick hammer not being a big issue like whiskey suggests. But maybe he's experienced it before and it's a legit town based issue for him. I have no experienced this because back in the day we did not have hammer votes, we had end of day votes.
#193 - points out that BBT's vote on me was OMGUS. maybe he's town and thinks that matters, maybe he's scum and wants to push some shade. null
#197 - good technical town comments here, doesn't mean he's town, just means he understands town. null
#260 - nothing
#266 - Pushes that we have lots of time day 1. I read that townie. Wants to see lurker input, which matches my thoughts. Explains his position on me. Pressures Cheap for some more info. Says he will analyse Bella further (DID HE???)
#267 - Thinks I'm defending him. I'm not, and I explained why. Could be town not quite understanding my move here.
#268 - Pressures BBT with a comment
#273 - More pressure on BBT, starting to ramp up that pressure. Quite a run-on-sentence that's hard to follow here, but I think I get it... ends up feeling organic, like whiskey.
#279 - I don't understand what he's saying with his list here. He votes BBT.
#282 - responding to Bella, reasonable response
#287 - This is an interesting take on BBT. Is it an enlightened townie take or a scum take that has the advantage of knowing BBT is town?
#289 - Strong response to Bella, makes some good points IMO
#294 - Attack/defense against BBT. Poses an interesting but not totally useful question. But kinda potentially useful... I dunno
#295 - The "Bella noticed something suspicious" post where he points out a similar observation that I did previously. Looking at it more contextually, it was really an add-on to #294. Not only does it mimic my earlier point, but it feels emotionally like my original point. This one is hard to read.
#296 - nothing
[ I NEED TO REREAD THE FOLLOWING, I'M GETTING TIRED AND WANT TO POST BUT ALSO WANT TO SLEEP ]
#300 - Just reinforcing his BBT scum read with a convo with Bella.
#302 - dunno
#306 - anti-BBT
#307 - anti-BBT
#312 - anti-BBT
#318 - fuck it will read later

LOL I'm going to pull a Somnus and say Spartan's play here feels like my better scum play from 8 years ago. That said, fuck it, I'm actually convinced by it and it feels legit. It feels organic, Spartan's emotions seem to be kicking in in a townie sort of timing. He's putting in some serious effort into his reads and makes them publically available.

At this point, I'm not going to be voting Spartan D1. My scum read on him is gone. He's null leaning town. I don't think his reads are great as I still have a town leaning read on BBT.

Good night.

[Spartan117]

Does it help you Spartan if I like your recent posting a lot more and no longer want to lynch you?

The most important thing from my opinion, on you no longer wanting to eliminate me is if you are town it enables you to take off the goggles and scum hunt others and form reads on them.
Even if you are or were still scum reading me and think I am one of the scum I just want you to be able to look for the other scum if you are/were certain it is me.

Although to look for them without me in mind, as looking at everyone else through spartan tinted glasses will only make it harder for TownBBT as they should know I am not 100% scum.

This is interesting - is this not exactly what Vasex is doing? Basing all of his reads/contributions through the lens of Scum!BBT. Are you only concerned with me doing it because I was scum reading you or is it a general disliking of that style?

I think it is not good practice for town to do in general, but sometimes it can cause doubts and pull you away from an original scum read, say if you find two others that you think are scummy but wouldnt work with the original gut scum read, so its difficult. It is something that works more with evaluating scum teams rather than just looking at each person individually on if they are scum or not. I am someone who likes to evaluate potential for scum teams all the way through which I know not everyone likes. I like to see if when brought up it changes any interactions between the two I mention, nothing obvious of course just subtle differences. Its all about wading through the text for the snippets of information.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

But you have no problem with Vasex doing it?

Is that because he town reads you?

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: vasex


The little changes in reads aren't massively convincing to me and I find the readlist underwhelming. It really feels like it's come from 'how can I orient the whole game to have bbt scum' but without picking up on any of the weird things. There's also bit a huge amount of questions - I'd expect more, 'what did you mean here' or 'has this changed' or 'so....' from a read through. Even the most recent question, 'why not scum team' is focused on this tunnel vision.

I think I'd be more ok with shrugging it off if there wasn't a bit of pressure on the bbt slot already.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What are your thoughts on Somnus, Bella?

[Bellaphant]

I'm not sure. The thing with rad felt weird, but they reacted simulae to the post of mine they didn't like (`i wish they'd followed up with me but that's personal). I can't work out it that kind of weird emotional reaction is more likely from town or scum.

Them and rad both seem to post quite differently between posts, so I respond better to some than others.

I'm underwhelmed by whiskey delta but fond, probably unreasonably, of cheap.

[Bellaphant]

I'd like somnus to respond to you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Would you like to sure up your read on Somnus and join the very juice wagon we have forming?

[Bellaphant]

Somnus (And you) are slots I'd feel better sorting with more information. You aren't town for me yet. I don't think he's the kind to be spooked by what would be an obvious 'pressure' vote.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm not town to you yet! Bella, that hurts.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, not just a 'pressure' vote if you're genuinely unsure of a read. Their reaction could tip you one way or another.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If you join and Rad joins, we could have another L-1 situation.

How exciting!

[humaneatingmonkey]

Corwinoid replaces mq.bosco.

Remember to clap

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[Vasex]

ugh
maybe im wrong in smth
but i'm too lazy even to think about it
i will update my view from some other perspectives emm in a couple of calendar days
too busy tomorrow

[Vasex]

clap...
corwinoid, are you from Amber?

[Corwinoid]

Hi all!

clap...
corwinoid, are you from Amber?

That's a good read.

I've been following the thread so I'm mostly up to date but I want to go back through things with a little more scrutiny before I lay into anything now that I've replaced in.

[Corwinoid]

You know, before I even get into the rest of the thread... this has been sitting on me the entire time I've been following the game. Normally I wouldn't meta somebody, especially a new player, but this has to be called out:

1. How long have you played the game of mafia, not just on this site, but ever?
2. Do you like playing the role of town or mafia better?
3. Are you an active poster or a lurker?
4. Do you find it hard to lie or it something you have no issues with?

1. about a week, im newbie
2. yes
3. lurker
4. no

You sure? Your profile tells a very different story.

it was hacked

I honestly can't believe everyone has let this go so easily, and

this

is a

terrible

defense of it:

@somnus, that may be an issue for the mods?

The minute he introduced it into the game as a verifiable issue it became a game issue. Trying to discard it as irrelevant when it's pretty damn topical looks shady also.

The hacking claim is a bold faced lie, unless he's going to also claim his posting style, content, and flood posting exactly mimics the person who hacked him. Speaking of which, the flood posting is incredibly anti-town. And he finished that game fake claiming scum.

This isn't a player, or the kind of lying that I can trust at all. VOTE: Vasex

@Somnus, stick with your leads and pressure stuff like this harder.

[Corwinoid]

Sorry, the link didn't link probably (I haven't done bbcode in a long time). Vasex fake claiming scum to self-lynch by proxy: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12648212

[humaneatingmonkey]

reminder not to say the "l-word". it's against site rules and we want to respect that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The l word?

[humaneatingmonkey]

For many years, the word “lynch” was used to describe the person who was voted out by town in a mafia game. We no longer allow this word to be used.

[Corwinoid]

reminder not to say the "l-word". it's against site rules and we want to respect that.

Oof. Old habit... and I've been working really hard in my head to use elim and not make that mistake.