Newbie 2096 | Nathan For You | Endgame

[Rad]

"to elim rad"

if

i flip green.

Scum slip? I'd have said "when" I flip green cause I don't have to keep that part straight in my head when spamming out posts.

Anyway, I don't even care what you flip at this point. You're destructive to town. If you flip green and anyone cares about what you wrote, and I get elimed because of it, you just killed 2 towns.

BTW this is a newbie game. I don't see how I'd actually be any good at this game given I'm a newbie. Back when I used to play, it was only newbie games then too (maybe 1 non newbie, i can't remember). My reads in particular are probably bad. I know my weaknesses, do you know yours?

[Vasex]

Scum slip? I'd have said "when"

dont be a child, this thing "if/when" never works. so new shitposting, eh.

btw, you are the only one whom i wrote LIE few hours ago? ohhh this is bad for you, because u really lied about my position that i dont change anything, and i proved that you lied with ease. Easy to check our conversation there. This is a really good reason to hang you (comparing with absolutely shitty reasons you are trying to create now why are voting me). Cosider my vote is 100% on you till the end of the game, and i bet that u will be hanged.

[Rad]

Scum slip? I'd have said "when"

dont be a child, this thing "if/when" never works. so new shitposting, eh.

btw, you are the only one whom i wrote LIE few hours ago? ohhh this is bad for you, because u really lied about my position that i dont change anything, and i proved that you lied with ease. Easy to check our conversation there. This is a really good reason to hang you (comparing with absolutely shitty reasons you are trying to create now why are voting me). Cosider my vote is 100% on you till the end of the game, and i bet that u will be hanged.

The LIE thing was silly because I was just agreeing with Bella. I actually didn't notice that point until he made it, then i was like... huh yeah i think he's right about this actually. But you tunneled on me even when I asked you if your thoughts changed about Bella.

It is what it is.

[Vasex]

Anyway, I don't even care what you flip at this point. You're destructive to town. If you flip green and anyone cares about what you wrote, and I get elimed because of it, you just killed 2 towns.

yeah, im professional player with hundreds of games and good accuracy of finding scums in my games even here, so anybody WILL care what green vasex says about you, scum
and the case about u was born not now, there were a lot of stuff, enough to read my iso. for example you was too nervous when you were voted, and explained too much about your posts. Usually only scums think so much about defending

but the main reason - you have no good reasons to vote me, to put me on e-1 and also u pretending you have no education so dont count votes while wagoning someone , yeah yeah such true

[Vasex]

And you're right, they really didn't change did they. New information seems irrelevant to vasex, or at best just reinforces his initial read. 

LIE.

firstly i had cheap and you as townies, now you are a scum and he is null; i also changed some null slots to town lean (wd, bella) and solid town (spartan).

does it look that i didnt change anything?

Just to remeber you fail, scum

[Vasex]

the easiest newbie scum has been found
now we need to find his partner. either the clever one, or lurker... maybe he will be with hammer... but i guess he is not voting, for example cheap who pockets me too much, so it is quite difficult for him to hammer me - his solid townie

[Vasex]

i guess enough for today, good night scums

[Vasex]

when i flip green

you must be elimed next for pretending that you dont know how to count votes. or if you are just drunk newbie who dont know how to play the game, this is even better, but i leave my maybe last message to other townies "to elim rad" if

i flip green

so you failed even with when/if, trying to show smth out of the whole context, you are the weakest mafia scum i ever seen

[Vasex]

ez pz you have no chance to win here, i just need time later (tomorrow) to find your partner, dont forget to make distancing with him

[Rad]

when i flip green

you must be elimed next for pretending that you dont know how to count votes. or if you are just drunk newbie who dont know how to play the game, this is even better, but i leave my maybe last message to other townies "to elim rad" if

i flip green

so you failed even with when/if, trying to show smth out of the whole context, you are the weakest mafia scum i ever seen

If anything, using it both ways in one post reinforces my thought that it's hard for you to keep it straight. I actually didn't notice that the first time, or I'd have pointed it out, so that's hilarious.

Get some sleep guy.

[Rad]

Rad, can you show me the posts from Spartan that made you reconsider your read?

Also, what made you decide his emotion was coming from a town perspective and not a scum perspective?

I came up with a list of "townie posts" like you asked, but I think it's missing the point. I get a townie feel from Spartan based on his entire ISO. When read start to finish, it reads townie to me. I tried to make some notes about each one, and in those notes I point out some townie things I thought I saw, but even listing those specific posts out here doesn't really matter. It's the entire ISO that matters.

I think vibe is a stupid thing to base a hard read on, so consider this a soft town read. He does townie stuff. He pressures, he states why he has opinions, he contributes. If he's scum, he's convinced me he's not.

I dunno how to read him any better. I feel his contributions are good and helpful to town and that gives me a town read.

[whiskey delta]

Scum spartan me

What is it specifically that has caused your scum read? I can see you are not 100% convinced.

Not convinced of scum!Spartan either to be fair.

100% convinced is a high bar for D1 on anything, but no. The SR was a combination of trying to gauge if your OMGUS was genuine and how it appeared that you were basing your SR on BBT/Bella for what I'm talking about in 322. FWIW just reading your responses on this page I think you have handled the game well which makes me reconsider. It was more a lean in the first place and I'm also sponging Vasex's read a little for not claiming at E-1. You obviously knew you were there and I agree with the theory that scum will pretty much always Hail Mary a PR claim to save themselves.

[Rad]

@BBT can you make your reasons for your vote on Vasex clear? I didn't see anything when I looked through your ISO for it. I feel like we have some clear reasons from Bella, Corwinoid, and myself. I think it would be good to hear your reasons.

[whiskey delta]

I'm not sure. The thing with rad felt weird, but they reacted simulae to the post of mine they didn't like (`i wish they'd followed up with me but that's personal). I can't work out it that kind of weird emotional reaction is more likely from town or scum.

Them and rad both seem to post quite differently between posts, so I respond better to some than others.

I'm underwhelmed by whiskey delta but fond, probably unreasonably, of cheap.

hello its me

whiskey d

what you get is what you see

I base a lot of my reads, especially D1 when there are no flips, on tone. Somnus pings me on a gut level. I could argue that he's voting one of the players I have the strongest TRs on but that is all negligible right now. I don't feel like his reaction to you early on or this one with Rad stem from a Townie place. This feels like grumpy scum to me. I can't put it into better words than that

[whiskey delta]

You know, before I even get into the rest of the thread... this has been sitting on me the entire time I've been following the game.

[whiskey delta]

Blatantly lying and destroying any trust we can have in you is not the perfect tactic for day one in a new game. You need to go.

This is asinine. What is it with policy elims on MS?

[whiskey delta]

BBT/Bella exchanges look T/T. Spartan looking good on page 23. I agree on 572 that this is a trap Town can easily fall into and also 574 irt BBT. I think this is just the player he is and we have to adjust accordingly. At the very least it's not a sustainable strategy for scum because it inherently brings attention but if Town it's also dangerous for scum who can struggle in transitions. Reconsider at end game if they're still alive imo.

Vasex is obvtown here. He's trying to force his elim which I think is dumb because everyone will just blame him but I'd wager he's going to flip Town. His style is unconventional which is making it worse.

[whiskey delta]

also top post is never scum

it's a rule

[whiskey delta]

also top poster is never scum

it's a rule

ebwop

[Rad]

Vasex is obvtown here.

He's trying to force his elim

Let's say you're right. WHY? What's his goal? What could that possibly gain town? There's no guarantee a scum is on any particular wagon. Shit if I was scum while a town!vasex's was doing all this, I'd be lurking and just waiting this out until town mislims.

[whiskey delta]

Vasex is obvtown here.

He's trying to force his elim

Let's say you're right. WHY? What's his goal? What could that possibly gain town? There's no guarantee a scum is on any particular wagon. Shit if I was scum while a town!vasex's was doing all this, I'd be lurking and just waiting this out until town mislims.

I think he thinks that this is going to out scum or like prove that his reads were correct or something. It's the same way any Town flip can be another crumb to find scum with - it's just being employed in a selfish and negative way that is going to make things muddier in the long run. The point of catching scum on mislims is to actually make them have to reason their way onto mislims.

[Rad]

@whiskey is Vasex obvtown here because he's too scummy to be scum? Or do you see a better reason? Is he doing townie things or scummy things?

[whiskey delta]

TWTBAW is a thing, yeah. Like I said - this reads to me like he's just trying to force his elim so he can say post game that he was right and we all should have listened to him. It's bad play and selfish but it's probably Town.

I'd still hammer anyway tbh. If this is the route he's going to go down the least we can do is flip him and go from there. One less distraction for scum to hide behind

[Vasex]

I'd still hammer anyway tbh. If this is the route he's going to go down the least we can do is flip him and go from there. One less distraction for scum to hide behind

bad reason to elim smb

[Vasex]

wd is not town, null