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[implosion]

I don't especially mind a townread on dwlee for ~reasons~ at this point tbh. I don't agree with it obviously but I think they have enough content to be townread. Wouldn't mind an elaboration of course but I don't see it as scummy per se.

Do you townread Dwlee yourself?

Check the votecount.

[Aristeia]

Titus isn't townreading Dwlee on Dwlee's play

she's townreading Dwlee on the way HEM is behaving

[humaneatingmonkey]

okay ill bite what behavior is that ari

[Aristeia]

It means you should vote Klick

If you vote hem and they flip and I'm wrong, you get my vote tmo Gamma.

Why should I vote HEM?

He's shopping for a counter when he's the top.

you literally saw this alrdy?

[humaneatingmonkey]

what are your thoughts on that

[Aristeia]

like your response to her was "ari is already my counter, titus"


as in you already have a cw on me - except my votes went from 3 -> 2 and you don't seem to be getting anyone to bite on voting me so instead of trying to convince people to vote me cuz I'm mafia - you're asking other people to convince you to vote for Klick[shopping for an alternative]

The reason this is scummy is because it's not clear whether you've actually decided on an alignment for me, you're just browsing alternatives without resolving the actual issue.

Like gamma is trying to convince you to vote klick because gamma thinks klick is mafia cuz meta - you are not trying to convince Gamma that I'm mafia.

[Aristeia]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89094

Ari, iso me and GuiltyLion.

I skimmed this and I don't think it's similar behavior.

I have a bit of a headache today so I'll take some time to actually reread it in depth tomm.

[humaneatingmonkey]

V/LA from GMT+8 Wednesday to Friday. Surgery.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't especially mind a townread on dwlee for ~reasons~ at this point tbh. I don't agree with it obviously but I think they have enough content to be townread. Wouldn't mind an elaboration of course but I don't see it as scummy per se.

some of this feels unnecessary

[humaneatingmonkey]

like your response to her was "ari is already my counter, titus"


as in you already have a cw on me - except my votes went from 3 -> 2 and you don't seem to be getting anyone to bite on voting me so instead of trying to convince people to vote me cuz I'm mafia - you're asking other people to convince you to vote for Klick[shopping for an alternative]

The reason this is scummy is because it's not clear whether you've actually decided on an alignment for me, you're just browsing alternatives without resolving the actual issue.

Like gamma is trying to convince you to vote klick because gamma thinks klick is mafia cuz meta - you are not trying to convince Gamma that I'm mafia.

what do you make of implo saying dwlee is townreadable

[Aristeia]

V/LA from GMT+8 Wednesday to Friday. Surgery.

GL!

[Aristeia]

what do you make of implo saying dwlee is townreadable

that's not what implosion is saying.

implosion is voting for dwlee because implosion thinks dwlee is mafia.

implosion is saying he doesn't mind if someone[titus] makes him a case for dwlee being town.

he is also saying he believes dwlee has enough content that Titus can make a read of dwlee one way or the other.

[humaneatingmonkey]

yes im not reading the votecount. im on mobile.

[humaneatingmonkey]

yes okay i understand implo now

[implosion]

I don't especially mind a townread on dwlee for ~reasons~ at this point tbh. I don't agree with it obviously but I think they have enough content to be townread. Wouldn't mind an elaboration of course but I don't see it as scummy per se.

some of this feels unnecessary

Entirely fair, tbh, it felt a bit unnecessary as I was saying it but I still wanted to.

what do you make of implo saying dwlee is townreadable

that's not what implosion is saying.

implosion is voting for dwlee because implosion thinks dwlee is mafia.

implosion is saying he doesn't mind if someone[titus] makes him a case for dwlee being town.

he is also saying he believes dwlee has enough content that Titus can make a read of dwlee one way or the other.

This is accurate.

[Ausuka]

It means you should vote Klick

If you vote hem and they flip and I'm wrong, you get my vote tmo Gamma.

Why should I vote HEM?

He's shopping for a counter when he's the top.

How does this differ from expected town!hem behaviour? Is town him not going to look at alternatives? Am I missing something here

Also would you mind elaborating on your dwlee read

[Harley Quinn]

i have to say this out loud but i want to ask other people what they feel about ari's position because right now all im seeing is manipulative scum

No

It’s too soon for me to have a read on Dwlee but this post doesn’t look scummy to me. If Ari were to flip scum, I’d obviously need to re-evaluate this but on the whole, she seemed sincere even if I didn’t really agree with her high numbers’ thing.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ari can you describe my town game for me when you do my meta please thanks

[Ausuka]

i have to say this out loud but i want to ask other people what they feel about ari's position because right now all im seeing is manipulative scum

No

It’s too soon for me to have a read on Dwlee but this post doesn’t look scummy to me. If Ari were to flip scum, I’d obviously need to re-evaluate this but on the whole, she seemed sincere even if I didn’t really agree with her high numbers’ thing.

I think nobody but HEM saw Ari as manipulative there, the scummy part is Dwlee showing up to say something uncontroversial and then leaving without them doing much in the way of actual scumhunting, if that makes sense. That's what I mean by a scummy pop in

[Bellaphant]

@titus, why does the data suggest implo? They are one of my few town reads.

[Harley Quinn]

i have to say this out loud but i want to ask other people what they feel about ari's position because right now all im seeing is manipulative scum

No

It’s too soon for me to have a read on Dwlee but this post doesn’t look scummy to me. If Ari were to flip scum, I’d obviously need to re-evaluate this but on the whole, she seemed sincere even if I didn’t really agree with her high numbers’ thing.

I think nobody but HEM saw Ari as manipulative there, the scummy part is Dwlee showing up to say something uncontroversial and then leaving without them doing much in the way of actual scumhunting, if that makes sense. That's what I mean by a scummy pop in

Uncontroversal but definitive but I need more info to make a read on them.

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