open 852: store bought potions (sold!)

[Venus and Mars]

im actually in the opinion that you are being trolled by N_M as part of a pre-game condition he set regardless of what happens.

I really don’t understand why you made this post and what you’re basing it on?

NM has been very seriously deathtunnelling me all game, which makes me really not want to vote Kitty because it’s so extremely suspicious to me that he is doing that without reconsidering his read on me in the slightest.

it's not serious if it's not backed up with pushes and votes. he's been on kittytacky, not on you. when talking about you, he was pretty dodgy and only refers to that first post which is obviously bullshit. i could be overestimating how much of a prankster n_m is, but do you feel me?

I believe you might actually believe this but no, I don’t believe there’s a snowball’s chance in hell he’s pranking me.

[Roden]

Actually literally why do I ever push you HEM if I'm scum when Nancy and STD are easier options I can hide in

Do you really think you're that valuable of a mis-elim to me when you've been prepared to vote all of the people I've suspected this game

Who other than Enchant? Kitty? based on that post? Who else?

STD. He was aligned with STD to vote you out, then after I questioned and grilled STD he switching to scum reading him.

Actually literally why do I ever push you HEM if I'm scum when Nancy and STD are easier options I can hide in

Do you really think you're that valuable of a mis-elim to me when you've been prepared to vote all of the people I've suspected this game

honestly what are these questions

What's the issue?

[humaneatingmonkey]

well let's ask him

n_m what's good

[humaneatingmonkey]

your questions are so malicious. it's meant to make me seem like some egotistic fuck.

[humaneatingmonkey]

nah maybe not

[humaneatingmonkey]

okay ill answer in good faith

[Roden]

your 100% goal here is to discredit me and it's obviiouuuus~~~

Is it really that hard to come up with a good reason to trust you

[Venus and Mars]

Actually literally why do I ever push you HEM if I'm scum when Nancy and STD are easier options I can hide in

Do you really think you're that valuable of a mis-elim to me when you've been prepared to vote all of the people I've suspected this game

Who other than Enchant? Kitty? based on that post? Who else?

STD. He was aligned with STD to vote you out, then after I questioned and grilled STD he switching to scum reading him.

Actually literally why do I ever push you HEM if I'm scum when Nancy and STD are easier options I can hide in

Do you really think you're that valuable of a mis-elim to me when you've been prepared to vote all of the people I've suspected this game

honestly what are these questions

What's the issue?

Why do you sr Kitty and what are your reads on NM/Dwlee?

[Venus and Mars]

well let's ask him

n_m what's good

NM has never treated me like this in any game ever and I don’t recall him ever “pranking” anyone like that either. He also made it clear he thought V & M was a brand new hydra. NM doesn’t decide pre-game, I’m going to majorly piss off Nancy. He has no reason to do that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Actually literally why do I ever push you HEM if I'm scum when Nancy and STD are easier options I can hide in

You are stuck. You saw an opportunity when I messed up. Happens all the time to scum who lost momentum, and you've probably been itching to move somewhere else.

Do you really think you're that valuable of a mis-elim to me when you've been prepared to vote all of the people I've suspected this game

I don't think you were ever aiming to miselim me. You were trying to discredit me. I was pushing KittyTacky and all I could think of was 1.) you want me to look bad if kitty flips town 2.) you're partners with kitty and you want to undermine my push as silly.

[humaneatingmonkey]

NM has never treated me like this in any game ever and I don’t recall him ever “pranking” anyone like that either. He also made it clear he thought V & M was a brand new hydra. NM doesn’t decide pre-game, I’m going to majorly piss off Nancy. He has no reason to do that.

okay then. i thought he was that kind of troll.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Is it really that hard to come up with a good reason to trust you

it's a setup and you know it.

what can i say? i'm town? duh. what can i say? i was genuine? duh. it's one of those questions that just sets up the person who would answer in a bad spot.

[Roden]

Actually literally why do I ever push you HEM if I'm scum when Nancy and STD are easier options I can hide in

Do you really think you're that valuable of a mis-elim to me when you've been prepared to vote all of the people I've suspected this game

Who other than Enchant? Kitty? based on that post? Who else?

STD. He was aligned with STD to vote you out, then after I questioned and grilled STD he switching to scum reading him.

Actually literally why do I ever push you HEM if I'm scum when Nancy and STD are easier options I can hide in

Do you really think you're that valuable of a mis-elim to me when you've been prepared to vote all of the people I've suspected this game

honestly what are these questions

What's the issue?

Why do you sr Kitty and what are your reads on NM/Dwlee?

Kitty isn't really doing anything, and his last pop in lacked self-awareness last others commented. He's technically the only pusher left, he hasn't been particularly prolific at all.

NM is still where I last left him. If I'm wrong about a town read it's probably him.

Dwlee idk. They kinda fell off and feel uninvested after the push on you failed. Gun to head, probably unmotivated town.

[Venus and Mars]

So you and HEM seem to be mindmelding on a lot, so I’m really confused.

[humaneatingmonkey]

exactly. why even bother to discredit like that when it's the same scumread

unless you felt pocketed, Roden?

[Venus and Mars]

I agree that NM looks scummier than Dwlee. So the thing for me is NM’s Kitty push looks bad because he scumlocked me. No one else pushing Kitty has done that. Also, Kitty has repeatedly FOS’d NM but only pushes STD.

The reason why NM would not be clear from a Kitty scumflip is because Kitty never put NM in danger nor has NM ever been in danger, STD actually has.

If Kitty’s scum, why is he hard sr NM but never really pushing him? Like it looks like distancing if Kitty’s scum here.

[Venus and Mars]

@Gamma, what do you think of Kitty?

[Roden]

Actually literally why do I ever push you HEM if I'm scum when Nancy and STD are easier options I can hide in

You are stuck. You saw an opportunity when I messed up. Happens all the time to scum who lost momentum, and you've probably been itching to move somewhere else.

Do you really think you're that valuable of a mis-elim to me when you've been prepared to vote all of the people I've suspected this game

I don't think you were ever aiming to miselim me. You were trying to discredit me. I was pushing KittyTacky and all I could think of was 1.) you want me to look bad if kitty flips town 2.) you're partners with kitty and you want to undermine my push as silly.

Where was my momentum if you think I lost it?

Why do I only want you to look bad if Kitty flips town and not STD? If Kitty is my partner then why do I only shut you down and leave STD alone?

Is it really that hard to come up with a good reason to trust you

it's a setup and you know it.

what can i say? i'm town? duh. what can i say? i was genuine? duh. it's one of those questions that just sets up the person who would answer in a bad spot.

You could just bring up moments in the game that show your townieness and solving has been genuine, and quote posts where town agreed with you on certain points that are still relevant.

"If you don't think I'm trustworthy then we do we agree on xyz?" Something like that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Where was my momentum if you think I lost it?

Std and nancy stopped being viable wagons and they're what you cited

Why do I only want you to look bad if Kitty flips town and not STD? If Kitty is my partner then why do I only shut you down and leave STD alone?

These aren't in my mind, tbt. But would it only be me who would look bad?

How do you read STD, anyway?

[Venus and Mars]

Emotionally Roden seems different here than in newbie. Well if Kitty’s indeed scum here, than he’s obviously the good cop in my theory or at least one.

[Roden]

So you and HEM seem to be mindmelding on a lot, so I’m really confused.

Fair point, honestly.

exactly. why even bother to discredit like that when it's the same scumread

unless you felt pocketed, Roden?

What do you feel discredited about?

I don't feel pocketed, or at least not by you. You're kind of in the middle of a ven diagram of links between players, if that makes sense.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Well if Kitty’s indeed scum here, than he’s obviously the good cop in my theory or at least one.

this is where i am

[KittyTacky]

his most prolific pusher

that's the boldest claim since the manifest destiny

i'll vote kitty just for 1261. this isn't town kitty. kitty is mostly self-aware, iirc.

Legit curious who you think is pushing STD harder.

[humaneatingmonkey]

NANCY

[humaneatingmonkey]

FLEA