Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Aristeia]

Mathblade what even is the point of this discussion for you?

I do not want to eliminate Enchant today

I have stated my reasoning for not wanting to eliminate Enchant today.

You also do not want to eliminate Enchant today.

So what are you even arguing with me for?

What are you trying to convince me of???

[implosion]

Ari, do you have particularly pronounced reads outside of hem right now?

[MathBlade]

like what even is your goal here?

do you think I'm scum?

do you think I'm bad!town?

are you trying to win an argument that has no purpose ?

I think it’s A or B and I was trying to ascertain which.

I realized that was fruitless so I tried to protect possible TPRs

I don’t ever “win” discussions with you ever

They always end without you even trying to understand when I do one sentence this premise is wrong posts.

So I just tried to stop the argument and you decide to poke it again

[implosion]

In short you’re the only player making sense and the only one besides me considering HEM town

Towns tend to tunnel on D1 and you waffling and such gives me pause.

It’s like you aren’t really deciding on much.

let me introduce you to any game i've ever played as town

[implosion]

if you can find a single town game i have ever played where i tunneled on d1 then i will let you control my vote for today.
(not actually but)

[Aristeia]

In short you’re the only player making sense and the only one besides me considering HEM town

Towns tend to tunnel on D1 and you waffling and such gives me pause.

It’s like you aren’t really deciding on much.

wtf does enchant have to do with HEM?

if you want to convince me HEM is town, you should read the case I made and Titus made for HEM!scum and explain why we are wrong

or make your own towncase for town HEM.

Saying you think he's town for reasons you can't explain and gut is literally not useful in any way.

[implosion]

i am like, the consummate terrible-at-deciding-things and bad-at-getting-lasting-scumreads player.

[Aristeia]

like what even is your goal here?

do you think I'm scum?

do you think I'm bad!town?

are you trying to win an argument that has no purpose ?

I think it’s A or B and I was trying to ascertain which.

I realized that was fruitless so I tried to protect possible TPRs

I don’t ever “win” discussions with you ever

They always end without you even trying to understand when I do one sentence this premise is wrong posts.

So I just tried to stop the argument and you decide to poke it again

You think you can protect Enchant!TPR from the Mafia Nightkill by arguing with me in the thread

r u serious?

[MathBlade]

if you can find a single town game i have ever played where i tunneled on d1 then i will let you control my vote for today.
(not actually but)

That was “Towns” meaning the collective

I don’t know enough of your meta as I don’t think we’ve played together recently and if we have I don’t remember.

[MathBlade]

like what even is your goal here?

do you think I'm scum?

do you think I'm bad!town?

are you trying to win an argument that has no purpose ?

I think it’s A or B and I was trying to ascertain which.

I realized that was fruitless so I tried to protect possible TPRs

I don’t ever “win” discussions with you ever

They always end without you even trying to understand when I do one sentence this premise is wrong posts.

So I just tried to stop the argument and you decide to poke it again

You think you can protect Enchant!TPR from the Mafia Nightkill by arguing with me in the thread

r u serious?

Scum are manipulatable just as much as town can be.

I may not know who they are but if you are I can find a way to manipulate you

And if you aren’t then I can use this conversation to manipulate scum.

[MathBlade]

In short implosion you are one of my few scum pings but it isn’t to the level of a vote yet.

[Aristeia]

Scum are manipulatable just as much as town can be.

I may not know who they are but if you are I can find a way to manipulate you

And if you aren’t then I can use this conversation to manipulate scum.

ok so your official explanation for arguing mech with me is to manipulate the scum team into not shooting enchant ok cool

good luck with that.

[MathBlade]

Scum are manipulatable just as much as town can be.

I may not know who they are but if you are I can find a way to manipulate you

And if you aren’t then I can use this conversation to manipulate scum.

ok so your official explanation for arguing mech with me is to manipulate the scum team into not shooting enchant ok cool

good luck with that.

So reads besides HEM and me?

[Aristeia]

I will still policy Enchant at day three if he's still alive and doesn't town it up

good luck trying to convince me that you've somehow jedi mindtricked the scum team into not shooting him or whatever.

[implosion]

if you can find a single town game i have ever played where i tunneled on d1 then i will let you control my vote for today.
(not actually but)

That was “Towns” meaning the collective

I don’t know enough of your meta as I don’t think we’ve played together recently and if we have I don’t remember.

So Towns, Collectively on d1, have a tendency to Tunnel, and I am Not Tunneling, therefore I must not be in the town?????

In short implosion you are one of my few scum pings but it isn’t to the level of a vote yet.

"one of my few" - who are the others? It looks like it's just me and maybe Bellaphant?

[Ausuka]

Hi I just wanted to say that the reason I have been inactive since math replaced in is because he replaced in at 1am??? What do you want from me

Also I'm reluctant to talk too much about PRs but I will say I agree with implosion on pretty much everything and also the best way to do mechanics in this setup is to look at what players actually did in previous runs instead of trying to like theoretically predict it imo

I am also thinking town HEM currently, I remember really liking STD's posting, Roden feels bleh to me but it's awkward to push both Roden and Dwlee at the same time because they're probably not scum together

I am confused by people doing associative VCA in the middle of d1 (Titus and mathblade iirc) I assume this is a playstyle thing from how no one else commented on it though, so

Will have more to say later after my exam

[implosion]

So reads besides HEM and me?

Has Ari stated a scumread on you?

[MathBlade]

if you can find a single town game i have ever played where i tunneled on d1 then i will let you control my vote for today.
(not actually but)

That was “Towns” meaning the collective

I don’t know enough of your meta as I don’t think we’ve played together recently and if we have I don’t remember.

So Towns, Collectively on d1, have a tendency to Tunnel, and I am Not Tunneling, therefore I must not be in the town?????

In short implosion you are one of my few scum pings but it isn’t to the level of a vote yet.

"one of my few" - who are the others? It looks like it's just me and maybe Bellaphant?

Correct

Since I don’t know your meta I use the general collective and it seems off

I am weaker with social reads so it’s difficult to explain.

[MathBlade]

So reads besides HEM and me?

Has Ari stated a scumread on you?

Yep

[implosion]

Correct

Since I don’t know your meta I use the general collective and it seems off

I am weaker with social reads so it’s difficult to explain.

This is just so deeply foreign to the way I view the game of mafia.

[MathBlade]

Hi I just wanted to say that the reason I have been inactive since math replaced in is because he replaced in at 1am??? What do you want from me

Also I'm reluctant to talk too much about PRs but I will say I agree with implosion on pretty much everything and also the best way to do mechanics in this setup is to look at what players actually did in previous runs instead of trying to like theoretically predict it imo

I am also thinking town HEM currently, I remember really liking STD's posting, Roden feels bleh to me but it's awkward to push both Roden and Dwlee at the same time because they're probably not scum together

I am confused by people doing associative VCA in the middle of d1 (Titus and mathblade iirc) I assume this is a playstyle thing from how no one else commented on it though, so

Will have more to say later after my exam

Good luck on the exam!

[Aristeia]

right now my scum team guess is just enchant - hem - you

Ausuka, Gamma, Titus, STD are my strongest TRs

Dwlee, Bella are townleans.

Roden, Mala, Implo, Harley are null

[MathBlade]

Correct

Since I don’t know your meta I use the general collective and it seems off

I am weaker with social reads so it’s difficult to explain.

This is just so deeply foreign to the way I view the game of mafia.

I have no other frame of reference to use

I have no internal barometer to see if emotions are valid
I have no way to read your tone

So the only thing I have is deviations from the norm and see if I like the explanation

[Ausuka]

Eh actually no I'm tired and wrong

I agree with implosion's recent posts about Enchant's possible role picking and the Ari/math argument

I still don't want to flip Enchant today though because I feel like even though a strong potential upside exists it's not worth the downside, even though I disagree with a lot of stuff Ari was saying I think I actually like her strategy more

This makes me feel slightly better about her early game because it seems like she sees mechanics very differently to me in general

[MathBlade]

right now my scum team guess is just enchant - hem - you

Ausuka, Gamma, Titus, STD are my strongest TRs

Dwlee, Bella are townleans.

Roden, Mala, Implo, Harley are null

Cool

Then you’re scum because imho 2/3rds of that are bad almost certainly

So I think I might be right for the wrong reason.