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[Datisi]

vote count 1.10

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

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humaneatingmonkey [4]:

Dwlee99, Titus, implosion, Roden

Aristeia [2]:

humaneatingmonkey, Enchant

MathBlade [2]:

Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ausuka, MathBlade

not voting [4]:

Harley Quinn, Malakittens, Aristeia, Bellaphant

mod notes

~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

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[implosion]

I'm sort of willing to read Math by proxy to consensus to some degree. And I can understand (and partially agree with) people calling him town here - I just don't think I understand his meta enough to really have any confidence, because it feels like he's a player that meta understanding is somewhat necessary to read accurately.

I find it suspect there's a push on Enchant "not playing the game" but not on mala.

It's a meta push. I don't know Mala's meta. You were in Chromavalon, you should understand that Enchant refused to play that game the same way Enchant is refusing to play this game.

@harley: I have no read on hem (but his wagon is stacked with my town reads), enchant seems to be basically a policy elim and math is town. So, I hate this team and also, who's this confident on a team on day one? They even acknowledge this, and then immediately after say they are probably right about 2/3, which feels like weird double speak in the same sentence.

Why do you "hate this team"? It sounds like you'd have no reason to be surprised if 2/3 of it was right, since you have no read on HEM and most likely no read on Enchant. When you say "I have no read on them", do you really mean something like "I don't think anyone should have a proper read on either of them yet"? I could understand that stance on Enchant (but disagree with it), but I don't understand it on HEM.

[Bellaphant]

I felt like enchant seemed mainly for policy almost, bases on the convo Ari had with math: if it's something else then can you explain?

I I said elsewhere I should have more thoughts on hem but I can't get anything solid on them. If I looked at his wagon I didn't town read most of the people on it.

I also hate "teams", especially day one. Ithis may be a play style thing. What I was more worried about was your positioning: you seemed to be saying it was reasonable and unreasonable and then reasonable again in the same breath?

[Enchant]

I am not refusing to play though.

[Save The Dragons]

any thoughts?

[implosion]

I felt like enchant seemed mainly for policy almost, bases on the convo Ari had with math: if it's something else then can you explain?

I I said elsewhere I should have more thoughts on hem but I can't get anything solid on them. If I looked at his wagon I didn't town read most of the people on it.

I also hate "teams", especially day one. Ithis may be a play style thing. What I was more worried about was your positioning: you seemed to be saying it was reasonable and unreasonable and then reasonable again in the same breath?

My calling Enchant scum is because their play is ostensibly identical to this recent game. Giving 0 actual opinions and 0 actual content that's meaningfully related to the game. That game is strong in my mind because I was town who knew Enchant was scum (literally informed of it) but had to be coy, because of the nature of the setup.

I also hate "teams" to the degree that they are about pinning people on associatives on day one. But I'm on board with hem and Enchant being called scum (and at the time with Math but now at least somewhat less so, but also Ari has soured on Math-scum it seems so it's all moot).

I could also case hem at some point maybe (I haven't actually read the other cases but an independent one could be useful); there is a degree to which I anticipate the next few RL days being gear-grindy since the top wagon can't be here, though. I do want to keep momentum up for useful game activity because I feel good about the overall amount of info that's been generated in the game; I feel I think better about my reads right now than I do on average at this point in a d1.

[Bellaphant]

That all makes a lot more sense - just bullet points on hem would be great at some point. Like, I know there's been a lot of content but I got very little out of reading their back and forth with Ari, whereas Ari's back and forth with math I felt they were both town.

I'm town reading a lot of the more 'active' slots, which I know isn't great.

If the wagon on hem is maybe pointles, as they aren't here, is there anyone else you'd like to wagon? I know enchant, and I think too many people are engaging with math as town for math.

[implosion]

The other game I've played with Enchant, at least that I remember, was a game where they replaced in on d2-3ish and got like, immediately universally townread as town when their slot's previous occupant was contentious. So I know Enchant is capable of actually interacting with the gamestate as town. I'm sure reading them isn't as simple as "are they literally playing the game of mafia" but well, in this game their only content now is an explanationless vote on a person who just had 2 people unvote them. So.

[Gamma Emerald]

The other game I've played with Enchant, at least that I remember, was a game where they replaced in on d2-3ish and got like, immediately universally townread as town when their slot's previous occupant was contentious. So I know Enchant is capable of actually interacting with the gamestate as town. I'm sure reading them isn't as simple as "are they literally playing the game of mafia" but well, in this game their only content now is an explanationless vote on a person who just had 2 people unvote them. So.

Which game is this?

[Bellaphant]

(tbf I hadn't actually checked enchants iso. Oh dear)

[implosion]

I don't really want to *wagon* enchant right now because of the annoying they're-first-in-draft thing. I mean I

want

to but I know we're not

supposed

to. I don't really want to tear down the hem wagon either right now; in theory I'm okay with wagoning someone else while they're gone but also I don't really like the idea of a wagon that is explicitly not about maybe-eliminating someone and is just about "oh, we'll just Pressure them while the person we want to wagon is gone". I still could be convinced to in principle but I'm happy just sitting on hem for now.

I'll make some kind of case or bullet points later today most likely, possibly early evening or maybe late evening depending on various.

[implosion]

Which game is this?

I didn't realize it until you asked but it's that same white flag game that came up earlier.

[Bellaphant]

My elim pool is really boring: mala, Roden, maybe gamma, maybe STD, maybe enchant (I get what you are saying now) maybe dweelee. Actually maybe having no feelings about hem is a red flag.

P-edit I assume I'm going to wake up to 20 pages again, so no hurry

[Enchant]

The other game I've played with Enchant, at least that I remember, was a game where they replaced in on d2-3ish and got like, immediately universally townread as town when their slot's previous occupant was contentious. So I know Enchant is capable of actually interacting with the gamestate as town. I'm sure reading them isn't as simple as "are they literally playing the game of mafia" but well, in this game their only content now is an explanationless vote on a person who just had 2 people unvote them. So.

Of course.

I already info on this game.

Starting blind sucks.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: hem

[Gamma Emerald]

My elim pool is really boring: mala, Roden, maybe gamma, maybe STD, maybe enchant (I get what you are saying now) maybe dweelee. Actually maybe having no feelings about hem is a red flag.

P-edit I assume I'm going to wake up to 20 pages again, so no hurry

that's not boring
tbh I don't like it

[Harley Quinn]

Feel better HEM.

No on Dwlee. Roden looks bad and I doubt scum match each other.

why does roden look bad
I'm starting to get worried about you because our thought processes feel out of sync

Roden’s null for me but wrt Titus, she was my hydra partner in a game and we were not in sync, so I don’t see why you’d be worried if your reads aren’t the same?

[Gamma Emerald]

normally I mesh rlly well with town!Titus
I'm not getting that feeling rn, so I'm concerned
I felt similar in mini 2272

[Gamma Emerald]

you accused std of scumreading you because you smoked him too many times as scum

the subtext is that he's town.

I don't think math addressed this yet, I'd like if he would

[MathBlade]

you accused std of scumreading you because you smoked him too many times as scum

the subtext is that he's town.

I don't think math addressed this yet, I'd like if he would

I did? Or if I follow I don’t know what you’re asking so can’t address it?

I think it’s SOP for StD?

[Harley Quinn]

normally I mesh rlly well with town!Titus
I'm not getting that feeling rn, so I'm concerned
I felt similar in mini 2272

I wish people would provide links rather than just numbers, that makes it a lot easier to look them up. But you’re saying, if Titus has different takes than you, that’s somehow scum indicative? Because I don’t think that’s necessarily a great metric to read someone. In reverse yes, mindmelding is usually a good sign but the converse by itself isn’t necessarily. Tone-wise she feels townie to me here.

[MathBlade]

I kinda feel Titus and Dwlee

Titus never answered me why not on Dwlee.

And Dwlee is pretty quiet

[Dwlee99]

Ignore urge to vote math ignore urge to vote math ignore urge to vote math

[Ausuka]

hi, my exam schedule is very tight right now and I've had some mental health issues, I don't want to lurk out of dats' game so I'm going to try to keep up the best I can but I'm probably going to have to only engage lightly and hopefully I'll do a proper catch up later. Hopefully I'll be around for a bit to answer any questions.

I have read all the posts so far (albeit not in as much depth as I should have done) - I think STD's posting is fluid and genuine enough that I'm willing to townread him - I think I townread Bella's lynch pool just because it's so like, blatantly opportunistic and going out of her way to expand it to all the people under pressure like enchant and HEM seems a bit on the nose, if that makes sense

I'm not sure on math yet and probably need to put more time into sorting him. I am mildly suspicious of the read on me he gave tbh and iirc he scumread implo for a pretty similar reason (not behaving as town would in broad strokes even if it's more likely a matter of playstyle? Like I can't see implosion playing totally different as town and going around tunneling people) Math do you have any, like, examples of players who are nice as scum but not as town? Is that actually a thing that happens?

Titus I definitely see where your read on Roden is coming from but how is that not also true for Dwlee?

[Ausuka]

*limpool ugh I am so bad at this I actually stopped to look over that post as well and I missed it