Open 854 | Eurybia's Curse | Game Over!

[Aristeia]

i feel like you're looking at skitter's read as something more than it is (or posturing) :/

I choose to look for happy ways to think about bad outcomes

[Gamma Emerald]

I have already explained why I am voting for Gamma.

It is a combination of:

1) He feels kind of aimless
2) His questions don't feel like they have a purpose
3) I don't think he's sorting actively
4) His mindset doesn't make sense to me
5) Marci said so

1) that’s how I be as town early
2) already said that sort of questioning is town-indicative for me, yea I wouldn’t expect you to TR me for it but I’d expect you to at least believe it’s NAI or want to see proof that it isn’t a scumtell (which I do have!)
3) I go at my own pace, it’s incredibly hard to force reads out of me when I’m town.
4) how about you try actually trying to understand me, feels like you’re not actually trying!
5) bad

[Gamma Emerald]

I am not that confident (and said as much)
I'm struggling to understand why you are

I'm always confident even when I'm wrong so I'm not sure why you are confused about why I am confident

REALLY? Really.
REALLY?!!?

[Aristeia]

yup

I have a lot of optimism

[Gamma Emerald]

@Aristeia

, would you say your general approach to the game has changed at all over the past few months?

[Aristeia]

yes

[Gamma Emerald]

How so?

[the worst]

aristeia have you been abducted by evil space aliens and replaced by an evil space alien in an aristeia costume? don't answer; blink twice if i'm right.

[the worst]

Spoiler: no space aliens.

i have it on good intel that aristeia has now blinked twice. proceed warily.

[Aristeia]

How so?

in https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=89302

I was extremely forceful/brutal in getting my solution yeeted - we won but it made me sad because people did not enjoy the game.

in https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=89351

I was less forceful but still ended up taking over and forcing my solution through, we won and it was better I guess?

in https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=89426

I tried to be extremely hands off and defer to skitter and I ended up getting into some weird shitfights that I regretted.

I picked the d1 elim(scum), and did not really get to pick any of the next elims, I was mislimmed, town didn't listen to me past d1, we lost.

Mostly I regret getting toxic because it wasn't a fun experience.

So now I'm trying to be more happy - vibey and care much less about the result of the game and whether we win or lose.

[Aristeia]

I guess what I liked the most about viewtopic.php?f=83&t=89351

is that it felt like a collaborative team effort and I liked we all landed on the same page and it happened to be the right one.

so I'm hoping we get to the same spot which is why I'm kind of fine with Marci driving the boat because she's an absolute queen and super fun to be around.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Aristeia
Having thought about it some more her seeming confidence on me does not mesh with the seeming wish she has to hide behind marci. In mini 2226 she was not shy about taking responsibility for her mistakes. But here it feels like she’s afraid to actually make that move. That seems to point her being scum not wanting blame to fall on her shoulders.

[Aristeia]

[the worst]

I'm gonna read the room and see if my vanity vote on TUF is cute or not then decide if I'm joining the Ari wagon

[skitter30]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i don't want to be wrong

[Aristeia]

hehehe

[the worst]

sense of dread is returning

[Titus]

Titus, why do you scumread pav?

I don't really see you ever explain why..

No reason to TR, Strong link to Beat

[Titus]

I'd say my questioning style but think this is the first time it's come up in a game w you
but I do think the gamestate should suggest I'm town. There's been no one actually backing me up at all, I've had to fend for myself 100% here. In a setup like this, why the fuck would my scumbuddies not mount some sort of counter-offense?

as for why I'm not voting you, until I parse Cakez better I'm not moving my vote.

actually how about this
VOTE: the ugly fruit
hasn't done much but what he has done, I'm not a big fan of

Odd

[Titus]

I feel like this game is devolving into camps. Normally, I'm fine with that but nobody is actually taking a stand on wagons being bad. People are just refusing to get on wagons. It's making it difficult to get relationship reads as I am having trouble sorting scummy avoidance versus town avoidance.

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually decided to switch to TUF exactly because I felt I needed to parse Cakez better. At that time I didn’t want to make a push to eliminate before knowing who exactly I felt should be eliminated. TUF was more of a pressure vote though.

[skitter30]

I feel like this game is devolving into camps. Normally, I'm fine with that but nobody is actually taking a stand on wagons being bad. People are just refusing to get on wagons. It's making it difficult to get relationship reads as I am having trouble sorting scummy avoidance versus town avoidance.

What are the camps?
Who's refusing to get on wagons?

[Titus]

I actually decided to switch to TUF exactly because I felt I needed to parse Cakez better. At that time I didn’t want to make a push to eliminate before knowing who exactly I felt should be eliminated. TUF was more of a pressure vote though.

Then how does TUF help you parse Cakez but an Ari vote does not?

[Titus]

I feel like this game is devolving into camps. Normally, I'm fine with that but nobody is actually taking a stand on wagons being bad. People are just refusing to get on wagons. It's making it difficult to get relationship reads as I am having trouble sorting scummy avoidance versus town avoidance.

What are the camps?
Who's refusing to get on wagons?

I'll answer this at the next VC.

[Meuh]

I’m not really getting the impression Isis v Skitter is a T/T situation tbh

If there’s scum there I’d lean towards Skitter at the moment

What makes you think this?

Specifically why do you think it would be me over isis?

I got generally good vibes from both Skitter and Isis earlier on, but I think Skitter's case against Isis felt a bit... superfluous I guess? Stuff like opaqueness of posting being brought up seems like a reach. Like it's something I struggled with too, (350) but it being brought up as a reason for a scumread?...
Skitter's push against Isis feels more like a "I dislike how you're playing this game" than a "I think you're scum this game" if that makes any sense. and for that I'm not sure it's well-intentionned.
It has made me question that push a bit more.