Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Aristeia]

I'm fine with waiting for HEM to come back and give actual reads/thoughts because either:

(1) he's town and these will be useful later when we know he's town after we flip him

(2) he's scum and these will be useful later when we know he's scum after we flip him

(3) he's scum and he won't post anything useful and anti-spew and this will make this lim more of a slam dunk.

[Harley Quinn]

vote count 1.11

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet

humaneatingmonkey [5]:

Dwlee99, Titus, implosion, Roden, Save The Dragons

Aristeia [2]:

humaneatingmonkey, Enchant

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ausuka, MathBlade

MathBlade [1]:

Gamma Emerald

not voting [4]:

Harley Quinn, Malakittens, Aristeia, Bellaphant

mod notes

~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

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HarleyQuinn can you please vote somewhere?

@Math why did you single me out when neither bella or Ari are currently voting anyone?

[Gamma Emerald]

I had a look at the playerlist and Roden is the only one who'll get this so I'll ask him

@Roden

, should I do that thing I did in radio buzz where I reread the game with my top TRs locked in and figured out who looked suspect based on that consideration?

[Aristeia]

I've made it quite clear I am going to vote HEM and prefer a HEM elim and I'm only off wagon to give him time to come back from surgery and give us final thoughts.

[Harley Quinn]

I'm fine with waiting for HEM to come back and give actual reads/thoughts because either:

(1) he's town and these will be useful later when we know he's town after we flip him

(2) he's scum and these will be useful later when we know he's scum after we flip him

(3) he's scum and he won't post anything useful and anti-spew and this will make this lim more of a slam dunk.

+1

Yeah, if it was near deadline it would obviously be different but when someone is v/la we can’t get any additional content from them.

What do you think of Math pressuring me to vote? Unless, I strongly sr someone or I think they may be possibly shitpushing me, I’m not extremely likely to vote early on d1 unless I’m somehow really feeling the whole rvs thing and it’s past that.

[Aristeia]

i think he just wants more data

[Gamma Emerald]

actually maybe enchant would even tho he wasn't in the game yet when I did that
but a) he's not active in this game rn and b) pretty sure he didn't read that game enough to see me do that

[Harley Quinn]

i think he just wants more data

Extremely ironically, I almost voted Math for his initial STD progression and was actually planning to vote him but then he’s made a bunch of posts that makes me currently lean town on him.

@Titus, would you say you’re pretty decent at reading Math?

[Harley Quinn]

When HEM gets back, hopefully he gives some reads and explains them. If it was near deadline rn, I’d probably vote him but I want to see what he does after Friday.

[Dwlee99]

Why are people townreading math when his read on me is awful

[Harley Quinn]

Why are people townreading math when his read on me is awful

You can’t parse Math solely based off of reads. I don’t agree with his reads but he’s reminding me quite a bit here of White Flag.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are people townreading math when his read on me is awful

I'm not

[Roden]

Titus is there any particular reason you've created this weird dichotomy between me and Dwlee? I don't see any particular reason why you would think there's one scum between the two of us. And sorry but it's major stretch to say Dwlee has had an "impact" or that they've tried to, this just feels like typical Day 1 effort Dwlee.

The vibe you're giving off is that since you think one of us is scum that we should be in opposition to each other, but I don't have any particular interest in proving myself to be townier than them. I have zero interest in pursuing them at all today as they're usually a slow burn read for me nowadays. If Dwlee has anything to pursue me on they'll do it of their own accord, not because you trying to nudge us into a fight.

This is absolutely not my position.

My position is that you're not S v S.
I feel that you're scummy and therefore Dwlee is town.

I could still be wrong on you, hence why my vote isn't on you.

This is literally what I said??

Roden still has no drive to solve. HEM should be the lim.

this feels patently false

Roden just appeared and his only posting was a misrep so far.

Why are you lying?

[MathBlade]

vote count 1.11

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet

humaneatingmonkey [5]:

Dwlee99, Titus, implosion, Roden, Save The Dragons

Aristeia [2]:

humaneatingmonkey, Enchant

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ausuka, MathBlade

MathBlade [1]:

Gamma Emerald

not voting [4]:

Harley Quinn, Malakittens, Aristeia, Bellaphant

mod notes

~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

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HarleyQuinn can you please vote somewhere?

@Math why did you single me out when neither bella or Ari are currently voting anyone?

Because Bella I know won’t vote until she’s ready Ari has made her positions clear where as you not voting is weird

[MathBlade]

Titus is there any particular reason you've created this weird dichotomy between me and Dwlee? I don't see any particular reason why you would think there's one scum between the two of us. And sorry but it's major stretch to say Dwlee has had an "impact" or that they've tried to, this just feels like typical Day 1 effort Dwlee.

The vibe you're giving off is that since you think one of us is scum that we should be in opposition to each other, but I don't have any particular interest in proving myself to be townier than them. I have zero interest in pursuing them at all today as they're usually a slow burn read for me nowadays. If Dwlee has anything to pursue me on they'll do it of their own accord, not because you trying to nudge us into a fight.

This is absolutely not my position.

My position is that you're not S v S.
I feel that you're scummy and therefore Dwlee is town.

I could still be wrong on you, hence why my vote isn't on you.

This is literally what I said??

Roden still has no drive to solve. HEM should be the lim.

this feels patently false

Roden just appeared and his only posting was a misrep so far.

Why are you lying?

Titus Dwlee Gamma? I was tring them before but I don’t like how they volunteered they aren’t TRing me yet are off HEM. That disconnect is weird.

I think if any of those are off I look at Harley and implosion.

[Harley Quinn]

vote count 1.11

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet

humaneatingmonkey [5]:

Dwlee99, Titus, implosion, Roden, Save The Dragons

Aristeia [2]:

humaneatingmonkey, Enchant

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ausuka, MathBlade

MathBlade [1]:

Gamma Emerald

not voting [4]:

Harley Quinn, Malakittens, Aristeia, Bellaphant

mod notes

~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

flavour

HarleyQuinn can you please vote somewhere?

@Math why did you single me out when neither bella or Ari are currently voting anyone?

Because Bella I know won’t vote until she’s ready

Ari has made her positions clear where as you not voting is weird

No it isn’t. I’m the same as bella, how do you not know that?

[Harley Quinn]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=22566

Anyway, White Flag

[MathBlade]

vote count 1.11

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet

humaneatingmonkey [5]:

Dwlee99, Titus, implosion, Roden, Save The Dragons

Aristeia [2]:

humaneatingmonkey, Enchant

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ausuka, MathBlade

MathBlade [1]:

Gamma Emerald

not voting [4]:

Harley Quinn, Malakittens, Aristeia, Bellaphant

mod notes

~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

flavour

HarleyQuinn can you please vote somewhere?

@Math why did you single me out when neither bella or Ari are currently voting anyone?

Because Bella I know won’t vote until she’s ready

Ari has made her positions clear where as you not voting is weird

No it isn’t. I’m the same as bella, how do you not know that?

Can’t answer without outing your main.

Call me a liar if you wish.

[MathBlade]

You are different

[Harley Quinn]

Titus is there any particular reason you've created this weird dichotomy between me and Dwlee? I don't see any particular reason why you would think there's one scum between the two of us. And sorry but it's major stretch to say Dwlee has had an "impact" or that they've tried to, this just feels like typical Day 1 effort Dwlee.

The vibe you're giving off is that since you think one of us is scum that we should be in opposition to each other, but I don't have any particular interest in proving myself to be townier than them. I have zero interest in pursuing them at all today as they're usually a slow burn read for me nowadays. If Dwlee has anything to pursue me on they'll do it of their own accord, not because you trying to nudge us into a fight.

This is absolutely not my position.

My position is that you're not S v S.
I feel that you're scummy and therefore Dwlee is town.

I could still be wrong on you, hence why my vote isn't on you.

This is literally what I said??

Roden still has no drive to solve. HEM should be the lim.

this feels patently false

Roden just appeared and his only posting was a misrep so far.

Why are you lying?

Titus Dwlee Gamma? I was tring them before but I don’t like how they volunteered they aren’t TRing me yet are off HEM. That disconnect is weird.

I think if any of those are off I look at Harley and implosion.

Math still can’t read me, all is well.

[Roden]

Eh, I actually agree with a lot of that. Can you explain why hq is town instead of just....nice?

It's weird, I see a.few people feeling bad about Roden bit not much pressure. Are people just resigned to a hem elim.today?

You can certainly counter wagon HEM by voting me if you think that's a good plan of action.

I don't think anyone is "resigned" to voting HEM, he's getting pretty heavily scum read by a bunch of people myself included. I'm voting HEM because I think he's scum and he isn't doing anything to town tell. Do you disagree?

[Harley Quinn]

You are different

I don’t think you’re lying, I actually think you probably don’t remember. Duckling made an issue of my not voting in a different game, when in the very game he was modding, my hydra partner A50, gave me grief for not having voted yet anywhere.

It really annoys me when people misconstrue my meta. My not having voted anywhere is not remotely weird for me. It happens in a good majority of my games in fact.

[Roden]

I’m really not trying to be either argumentative or difficult but there are some games where I’ve done things that are pretty much impossible for me to ever replicate as scum and HDP is definitely one of those games and imo, anyone. not being able to clearly see I was town in that, isn’t imho okay at reading me. If you misread me in a game where it is far less obvious than that one, I’d view it differently.

I think it's just because posts like these more likely come from town!you vs scum!you.

[Roden]

I’m really not trying to be either argumentative or difficult but there are some games where I’ve done things that are pretty much impossible for me to ever replicate as scum and HDP is definitely one of those games and imo, anyone. not being able to clearly see I was town in that, isn’t imho okay at reading me. If you misread me in a game where it is far less obvious than that one, I’d view it differently.

I think it's just because posts like these more likely come from town!you vs scum!you.

To add on to this, I don't really get the sense that you're trying to get town read. I think you're just vibing in this game and suspicious of the fact that you're getting town read for it vs when you do actively try to get town read and don't succeed.

[Harley Quinn]

You are different

I don’t think you’re lying, I actually think you probably don’t remember. Duckling made an issue of my not voting in a different game, when in the very game he was modding, my hydra partner A50, gave me grief for not having voted yet anywhere.

It really annoys me when people misconstrue my meta. My not having voted anywhere is not remotely weird for me. It happens in a good majority of my games in fact.

And yes, I was town in both. So I have no idea where you got the idea that not voting early on d1 is ever remotely “weird” for me.

I neither vote nor make reads I’m not confident on because when I ever have, people either tell me those reads suck or I don’t believe in my reasons for voting, which would obviously be true. So you can make a federal case of that all you like but none of that is ever a valid reason to sr me.