Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus is there any particular reason you've created this weird dichotomy between me and Dwlee? I don't see any particular reason why you would think there's one scum between the two of us. And sorry but it's major stretch to say Dwlee has had an "impact" or that they've tried to, this just feels like typical Day 1 effort Dwlee.

The vibe you're giving off is that since you think one of us is scum that we should be in opposition to each other, but I don't have any particular interest in proving myself to be townier than them. I have zero interest in pursuing them at all today as they're usually a slow burn read for me nowadays. If Dwlee has anything to pursue me on they'll do it of their own accord, not because you trying to nudge us into a fight.

This is absolutely not my position.

My position is that you're not S v S.
I feel that you're scummy and therefore Dwlee is town.

I could still be wrong on you, hence why my vote isn't on you.

This is literally what I said??

Roden still has no drive to solve. HEM should be the lim.

this feels patently false

Roden just appeared and his only posting was a misrep so far.

Why are you lying?

Titus Dwlee Gamma? I was tring them before but I don’t like how they volunteered they aren’t TRing me yet are off HEM. That disconnect is weird.

I think if any of those are off I look at Harley and implosion.

I'm literally voting you. So no I don't think it's odd that I'm off HEM, I've had my own scumread I've been chasing for most of the game. Also dislike you shading HQ, she's definitely town here.

[Gamma Emerald]

HQ pls vote Math

[Dwlee99]

Why are people townreading math when his read on me is awful

You can’t parse Math solely based off of reads. I don’t agree with his reads but he’s reminding me quite a bit here of White Flag.

It's not about the read itself it's the way he is reading me

Baseless but way too confident and then trying to act like he wasn't being confident when his posts say "really sure"

[Harley Quinn]

I’m really not trying to be either argumentative or difficult but there are some games where I’ve done things that are pretty much impossible for me to ever replicate as scum and HDP is definitely one of those games and imo, anyone. not being able to clearly see I was town in that, isn’t imho okay at reading me. If you misread me in a game where it is far less obvious than that one, I’d view it differently.

I think it's just because posts like these more likely come from town!you vs scum!you.

To add on to this, I don't really get the sense that you're trying to get town read. I think you're just vibing in this game and suspicious of the fact that you're getting town read for it vs when you do actively try to get town read and don't succeed.

Well yeah, when I really tryhard like I did in HDP, it’s extremely upsetting not to be tr. Few things are as soul crushing to me as putting my blood, sweat and tears into a game as much as I did in that game and STILL get miselimed.

Damn it! Roden, you need to get out of my head.

[Harley Quinn]

HQ pls vote Math

If this was FL here treating me the way Math is, 100%. I will admit the “weird” not voting thing does make me wonder though but he also misrepped me comparably in Pokemon too, so idk?

Like he really can be this bad as town. He pushed Titus to practically deathtunnel me in a past tm game, what for? I still don’t even understand.

I actually am more concerned with his switch on you, since I think you’re probably the most obvious town in this game and Math seems to be exhibiting an extreme lack of self-awareness here not to see why his play is looking scummy but scum!Math cares more about being liked and not making too many waves.

[Gamma Emerald]

O_O

[Gamma Emerald]

sorry
you saying FL caused me to bluescreen

anyway Math can have bad reads as town but like Titus there's generally at least an ability to understand where he's coming from
I also think he's generating a lot of friction which feels like it might be indicative of scum!him?
in addition Klick basically did a rinse-repeat of the last time I saw him as scum

[Roden]

I had a look at the playerlist and Roden is the only one who'll get this so I'll ask him

@Roden

, should I do that thing I did in radio buzz where I reread the game with my top TRs locked in and figured out who looked suspect based on that consideration?

I don't think it would hurt. In Radio Buzz, the town block formed early on and scum couldn't figure out how to break in. Though in my case the posting was also just a bit too much for me to keep up, which doesn't seem like too big of a problem in this game. If nothing else, I think looking at your town block and then seeing who's trying to discredit it and break it up would be helpful.

[Harley Quinn]

sorry
you saying FL caused me to bluescreen

anyway Math can have bad reads as town but like Titus there's generally at least an ability to understand where he's coming from
I also think he's generating a lot of friction which feels like it might be indicative of scum!him?
in addition Klick basically did a rinse-repeat of the last time I saw him as scum

Yeah, I didn’t like Klick’s opening post but bella tr it, so \_0_/

Titus is different though, there’s very few - especially recently - games where she is ever near this bad but I did hate his STD progression. It felt fake to me but why does scum!him try to alienate me and not only me, pretty much near the whole damn playerlist looks like?

Also, I don’t see HEM/Math as buddies and HEM has only given 2 reads so far.

Like if Math is scum here, he’s playing extremely suboptimally no?

[Harley Quinn]

@Gamma, can you quote/link me where he tried to cause friction as scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

I incorrectly TR Klick the last time he played like he did here

[Roden]

Titus is there any particular reason you've created this weird dichotomy between me and Dwlee? I don't see any particular reason why you would think there's one scum between the two of us. And sorry but it's major stretch to say Dwlee has had an "impact" or that they've tried to, this just feels like typical Day 1 effort Dwlee.

The vibe you're giving off is that since you think one of us is scum that we should be in opposition to each other, but I don't have any particular interest in proving myself to be townier than them. I have zero interest in pursuing them at all today as they're usually a slow burn read for me nowadays. If Dwlee has anything to pursue me on they'll do it of their own accord, not because you trying to nudge us into a fight.

This is absolutely not my position.

My position is that you're not S v S.
I feel that you're scummy and therefore Dwlee is town.

I could still be wrong on you, hence why my vote isn't on you.

This is literally what I said??

Roden still has no drive to solve. HEM should be the lim.

this feels patently false

Roden just appeared and his only posting was a misrep so far.

Why are you lying?

Titus Dwlee Gamma? I was tring them before but I don’t like how they volunteered they aren’t TRing me yet are off HEM. That disconnect is weird.

I think if any of those are off I look at Harley and implosion.

Did you quote the wrong post?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma, can you quote/link me where he tried to cause friction as scum?

dunno if it's intentional but I would probably say to look at micro 1053 (Inspector Rean)

[MathBlade]

Titus is there any particular reason you've created this weird dichotomy between me and Dwlee? I don't see any particular reason why you would think there's one scum between the two of us. And sorry but it's major stretch to say Dwlee has had an "impact" or that they've tried to, this just feels like typical Day 1 effort Dwlee.

The vibe you're giving off is that since you think one of us is scum that we should be in opposition to each other, but I don't have any particular interest in proving myself to be townier than them. I have zero interest in pursuing them at all today as they're usually a slow burn read for me nowadays. If Dwlee has anything to pursue me on they'll do it of their own accord, not because you trying to nudge us into a fight.

This is absolutely not my position.

My position is that you're not S v S.
I feel that you're scummy and therefore Dwlee is town.

I could still be wrong on you, hence why my vote isn't on you.

This is literally what I said??

Roden still has no drive to solve. HEM should be the lim.

this feels patently false

Roden just appeared and his only posting was a misrep so far.

Why are you lying?

Titus Dwlee Gamma? I was tring them before but I don’t like how they volunteered they aren’t TRing me yet are off HEM. That disconnect is weird.

I think if any of those are off I look at Harley and implosion.

Did you quote the wrong post?

Nope I wanted your opinion on that solve

[MathBlade]

@Gamma, can you quote/link me where he tried to cause friction as scum?

dunno if it's intentional but I would probably say to look at micro 1053 (Inspector Rean)

I will save you time

I have attempted to cause friction as scum

But that was a broken micro so *shrug*

[Harley Quinn]

Titus is there any particular reason you've created this weird dichotomy between me and Dwlee? I don't see any particular reason why you would think there's one scum between the two of us. And sorry but it's major stretch to say Dwlee has had an "impact" or that they've tried to, this just feels like typical Day 1 effort Dwlee.

The vibe you're giving off is that since you think one of us is scum that we should be in opposition to each other, but I don't have any particular interest in proving myself to be townier than them. I have zero interest in pursuing them at all today as they're usually a slow burn read for me nowadays. If Dwlee has anything to pursue me on they'll do it of their own accord, not because you trying to nudge us into a fight.

This is absolutely not my position.

My position is that you're not S v S.
I feel that you're scummy and therefore Dwlee is town.

I could still be wrong on you, hence why my vote isn't on you.

This is literally what I said??

Roden still has no drive to solve. HEM should be the lim.

this feels patently false

Roden just appeared and his only posting was a misrep so far.

Why are you lying?

Titus Dwlee Gamma? I was tring them before but I don’t like how they volunteered they aren’t TRing me yet are off HEM. That disconnect is weird.

I think if any of those are off I look at Harley and implosion.

Actually Math, this is really bad, I missed the word “any” when I first read this. You are essentially saying that if you are even wrong on any one of these, you potentially suss me and why? For not not having voted yet because you’re bullying me too when I still haven’t yet made up my mind?

And how is Gamma scum here? You’re reads are actually much worse here than in White Flag and Gamma isn’t wrong. In that game, you were more willing to listen.

[Harley Quinn]

@Gamma, can you quote/link me where he tried to cause friction as scum?

dunno if it's intentional but I would probably say to look at micro 1053 (Inspector Rean)

I will save you time

I have attempted to cause friction as scum

But that was a broken micro so *shrug*

How about either of you link me, so that I can see it for myself?

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=89351

Here you go.

[MathBlade]

It’s more relational things

HEM I really don’t think he’s scum. I can look at the people who sus HEM yet don’t have a commitment to vote there

I scumread Dwlee as they’re not following their meta ans Titus is sus. The remainder I am sorting out

[Titus]

I got a migraine. Catching up tmo.

[Harley Quinn]

It’s more relational things

HEM I really don’t think he’s scum. I can look at the people who sus HEM yet don’t have a commitment to vote there

I scumread Dwlee as they’re not following their meta ans Titus is sus. The remainder I am sorting out

I actually haven’t made up my mind on ANYBODY yet and won’t until it’s closer to deadline. If that’s allowed?

[Datisi]

Wallflower replaces Malakittens.

[Roden]

Titus is there any particular reason you've created this weird dichotomy between me and Dwlee? I don't see any particular reason why you would think there's one scum between the two of us. And sorry but it's major stretch to say Dwlee has had an "impact" or that they've tried to, this just feels like typical Day 1 effort Dwlee.

The vibe you're giving off is that since you think one of us is scum that we should be in opposition to each other, but I don't have any particular interest in proving myself to be townier than them. I have zero interest in pursuing them at all today as they're usually a slow burn read for me nowadays. If Dwlee has anything to pursue me on they'll do it of their own accord, not because you trying to nudge us into a fight.

This is absolutely not my position.

My position is that you're not S v S.
I feel that you're scummy and therefore Dwlee is town.

I could still be wrong on you, hence why my vote isn't on you.

This is literally what I said??

Roden still has no drive to solve. HEM should be the lim.

this feels patently false

Roden just appeared and his only posting was a misrep so far.

Why are you lying?

Titus Dwlee Gamma? I was tring them before but I don’t like how they volunteered they aren’t TRing me yet are off HEM. That disconnect is weird.

I think if any of those are off I look at Harley and implosion.

Did you quote the wrong post?

Nope I wanted your opinion on that solve

I've seen town!Titus just be completely off her game before, so her scum reading me and using wrong info doesn't automatically make her scum.

Dwlee is a slow burn read for me like I've said before. I don't see anything particularly scummy or opportunistic about them so far, so I'd say null town for now.

Gamma feels pretty town. I think he's poking around a lot and he's felt pretty solvey. I share some similar reads and takes to him, so I don't ever want to pursue an elim there today.

[Wallflower]

I AM HERE

[Gamma Emerald]

Helllooo!