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[Aristeia]

I already said I'm fine with unvoting if you want to put your foot in the ground on Gamma being town but I will policy you for being wrong if Gamma escapes period.

[Aristeia]

see that's my deferring to your opinion on someone's alignment because I am

[GuiltyLion]

i'm here for GL. i wonder what he's doing right now.

I was working, unfortunately

can we dish about reads? who are your top priority scumreads at present?

[Gamma Emerald]

i wasn't in that game

pedit ok
that believe it or not makes me more worried you're bussing gamma

I'm just listing that one as a start of the timeline so you can review games since then and form your own conclusion of my read rate on cakez if that's what you want to do

[skitter30]

ok you like already know that i'm not going to take you up on that
so i'm not sure what the point of this is

and i am not that confident on gamma-town
rn like half my read on him is based on how you're interacting with him

i also object to the phrasing of 'derailing'

[skitter30]

@gamma thanks
i'm very unlikely to go through all those games tbh, but if you want to link a specific game or two i might look

[Aristeia]

like this game is actually very simple

(1) there are massive disincentives towards bussing because you can't actually bus-spew yourself clear due to the clear-mechanism on D1/D2.

so scum have the incentive to hardshield their teammates from being elimmed on d1/d2 because they can't ever take advantage of bussing a teammate really.

Therefore it is important to make the consequences of hard-shielding as dire as possible for a scum player.

Hence why I believe we should policy elim anyone who derails a scum wagon on d1/d2 - which we will know as soon as the derailed scum flip.

Since there is no way for scum to escape together, one of them must remain behind while one of them escapes, there is literally no way for scum to get away with hard-derailing a elim on a scum partner because we will policy them immediately upon escape.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma - combative means you kinda get hostile and pick more aggressive fights as scum I've noticed as a way of discrediting. like in Situation Room you really went at FakeGod pretty intensely and that's stuck with me

that makes sense
I think the way I perceive that habit is "digging my heels in"

[Aristeia]

ok you like already know that i'm not going to take you up on that
so i'm not sure what the point of this is

and i am not that confident on gamma-town
rn like half my read on him is based on how you're interacting with him

i also object to the phrasing of 'derailing'

from my pov you are preventing me from eliminating gamma so you are derailing his wagon.

I don't really care if you don't think that's what you are doing, it is literally what you are doing.

So I am advocating for you to be policy elimmed if Gamma escapes regardless of whether I am alive or not.

[GuiltyLion]

Pav is very tonally and strategically town and I still stand by that.

this is a wonky read to me

I know Pav is V/LA so I can't ding him too much for non-presence but most of the currently active players have been substantially more involved in the game than Pav so I don't really vibe with how Pav can be one of your strongest townreads at this stage, or really even from the early game

[GuiltyLion]

he feels like a nonpresence so far and I know he is capable of being very good when hes town

weren't you scumreading me when I was around early game? like post 175 was I a nonpresence at that point too?

I can say for sure by the end of the game no one will feel like I've been a non presence

[Aristeia]

he feels like a nonpresence so far and I know he is capable of being very good when hes town

weren't you scumreading me when I was around early game? like post 175 was I a nonpresence at that point too?

I can say for sure by the end of the game no one will feel like I've been a non presence

I didn't feel any strong townvibes from you atp and I still do not.

[skitter30]

ok
i understand your logic
i don't think (?) that we live in the gamma-scum universe, but as i've said a few times, i'm not confident
i think i scumread you independent of gamma's alignment, so yes i'm focusing on you

[Aristeia]

I might have been overselling the scumread atp in a joking fashion to push you to do more - I don't think any of your posting has made me think "this is town!GL"

[Aristeia]

ok
i understand your logic
i don't think (?) that we live in the gamma-scum universe, but as i've said a few times, i'm not confident
i think i scumread you independent of gamma's alignment, so yes i'm focusing on you

ok so what do you actually want to discuss?

You want to lim me, I disagree.

I want you to be policy elimmed if Gamma escapes - you disagree.

Like do we even need to discuss further here?

[Aristeia]

like if you're super sure I'm scum and gamma's town why do you even care about what I want to happen if Gamma escapes lol?

save your energy for when it actually happens - you will need it.

[GuiltyLion]

I don't think any of your posting has made me think "this is town!GL"

mmm either I'm a scumgod or you're not very good at reading me then

[Aristeia]

like I don't really think it makes sense for you to argue with me about what should happen to your slot if you get gamma thru d1/d2 and then gamma escapes because you don't think he's scum in the first place.

[Gamma Emerald]

like if you're super sure I'm scum and gamma's town why do you even care about what I want to happen if Gamma escapes lol?

save your energy for when it actually happens - you will need it.

I think you're wildly projecting onto skitter
I don't she really mentioned anything about "if I escape" at all
it's been like 100% you that's driving that discussion

[Aristeia]

I don't think any of your posting has made me think "this is town!GL"

mmm either I'm a scumgod or you're not very good at reading me then

just try to town it up ok?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think any of your posting has made me think "this is town!GL"

mmm either I'm a scumgod or you're not very good at reading me then

just try to town it up ok?

why does this feel incredibly condescending?

[Aristeia]

like if you're super sure I'm scum and gamma's town why do you even care about what I want to happen if Gamma escapes lol?

save your energy for when it actually happens - you will need it.

I think you're wildly projecting onto skitter
I don't she really mentioned anything about "if I escape" at all
it's been like 100% you that's driving that discussion

I think she does care because if she didn't care about the consequences of you escaping then she'd just be ok with vouching for you and getting me to unvote you.

[Aristeia]

I don't think any of your posting has made me think "this is town!GL"

mmm either I'm a scumgod or you're not very good at reading me then

just try to town it up ok?

why does this feel incredibly condescending?

how am i condescending to him when he said to me either he's god or I'm bad.

[skitter30]

ok
i understand your logic
i don't think (?) that we live in the gamma-scum universe, but as i've said a few times, i'm not confident
i think i scumread you independent of gamma's alignment, so yes i'm focusing on you

ok so what do you actually want to discuss?

You want to lim me, I disagree.

I want you to be policy elimmed if Gamma escapes - you disagree.

Like do we even need to discuss further here?

i mean i said i don't actaully have much more to say on this ...
and like yeah i'd object to being policy flipped, i think that would be obvious
but i don't really think this needs to be discussed now

[GuiltyLion]

anyways, I think I want my vote here

VOTE: Beat

I'm not fully convinced re:Ari & Skitter because I have a lot of respect for their game, but my gut feeling is we may be in a world where all of Ari/skitter/Isis are town all paranoia fighting each other, and meanwhile Beat just kinda comes in and posts a quiet vote on Ari while taking a very fence-sitty opinion on Gamma. I get a sense Beat doesn't want to look too bad from a GE townflip. Also, a few of the ways she's justified her reads have felt made up and reachy to me - claiming that Cakez ISO'd her? (571), strong townread on Pav, the idea that Meuh is "bloodthirsty" 845, none of it feels genuine to me. Also I TR Titus and Meuh and think it's a pure wagon so far

p-edit: lmao yeah I was definitely more the snarky one first in that interaction w/ Ari haha