Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Aristeia]

Implo you're going to find this story amusing.

So when we talk about "proof"

there was a game recently where I tried to "prove" to mathblade that FrogsterKing had to be Mafia because there were 4 votes on FrogsterKing and MegAzu was off the wagon at

elo

.

And since MegAzu was a flipped mafia player, this proved beyond a doubt imo that Frogster had to also be mafia.

His response was "that just means MegAzu was afk for like 10 hours and didn't hammer cuz afk"

Talking "logic" and "proof" to Mathblade is a waste of time because he just doesn't believe in changing his mind:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13325946

it's a funny argument because it happens in the dead PT.

[Enchant]

I meant day

Fastest way to do that is vote HEM or me or explain why you think we’re both town

Not really fastest.

[MathBlade]

He was sr Gamma right before I hardpushed him but suddenly Dwlee’s here “for the TYT” between him and Gamma.

He just keeps flipping his reads without rhyme or reason on a dime, except for HEM and Dwlee.

The TvT is me and HEM

Quit misrepping

[MathBlade]

Implo you're going to find this story amusing.

So when we talk about "proof"

there was a game recently where I tried to "prove" to mathblade that FrogsterKing had to be Mafia because there were 4 votes on FrogsterKing and MegAzu was off the wagon at

elo

.

And since MegAzu was a flipped mafia player, this proved beyond a doubt imo that Frogster had to also be mafia.

His response was "that just means MegAzu was afk for like 10 hours and didn't hammer cuz afk"

Talking "logic" and "proof" to Mathblade is a waste of time because he just doesn't believe in changing his mind:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13325946

it's a funny argument because it happens in the dead PT.

I was wrong that game yes

But it was still sound and everyone even Datisi thought you were traitor

[Aristeia]

my alignment has nothing to do with the logical case against FrogsterKing

[MathBlade]

Sometimes you just have to put your chips where they fall and take an educated risk

And considering people won’t vote HEM that makes him town.

Otherwise they’d just bus for credit

[Aristeia]

like the person was literally at e-1 at elo with a flipped scum off wagon

you really don't get more confirmed scum than that and you still refused to believe it because it didn't fit your pre-determined world view

[MathBlade]

my alignment has nothing to do with the logical case against FrogsterKing

I didn’t say it did?

I am saying I was wrong there but it was still the most likely thing and the argument was still valid

[Bellaphant]

?? Why does hem flipping town mean you are town?

How do you know anyone already voting then cares about not 'proving you town'? Your argument is that for some reason scum aren't not voting hem to end the day because....then you'll be conf town???



I'm voting either dweelee or hem and neither of those flips impact my read on you. In fact the dweelee flip gives me a bit more info


P-edit it's day one, and the slot is vla - that's a lot of my hesitation

[MathBlade]

like the person was literally at e-1 at elo with a flipped scum off wagon

you really don't get more confirmed scum than that and you still refused to believe it because it didn't fit your pre-determined world view

That’s like not though?

[Aristeia]

Sometimes you just have to put your chips where they fall and take an educated risk

And considering people won’t vote HEM that makes him town.

Otherwise they’d just bus for credit

everyone else has fewer votes than HEM

does that make us all town too?

[MathBlade]

?? Why does hem flipping town mean you are town?

How do you know anyone already voting then cares about not 'proving you town'? Your argument is that for some reason scum aren't not voting hem to end the day because....then you'll be conf town???



I'm voting either dweelee or hem and neither of those flips impact my read on you. In fact the dweelee flip gives me a bit more info


P-edit it's day one, and the slot is vla - that's a lot of my hesitation

If HEM v me was SvS then the answer is always elim HEM then use that to elim me

Then I would have zero way to defend myself in that case Ari is 100% right there

But the entire thread scumreads HEM yet there’s a wagon forming on me instead

[Aristeia]

its probably because HEM stopped talking and is VLA while you're in the thread spamming really bad arguments

[implosion]

Most everyone here says preflip associatives are bad

But instead have preflipped HEM scum

Any defense I do if HEM will be completely disregarded

I and the other four people on the HEM wagon are, by my estimation, at least mostly voting HEM primarily on the merits of HEM's play, not on preflipping an association with you. Heck I've indicated very mixed feelings on you and Aristeia has called you probably wrong town a bunch.

[MathBlade]

Sometimes you just have to put your chips where they fall and take an educated risk

And considering people won’t vote HEM that makes him town.

Otherwise they’d just bus for credit

everyone else has fewer votes than HEM

does that make us all town too?

No.

It’s only because HEM has the most and everyone scumreads him yet there is counter wagons forming that HEM is conf town

Scum don’t want HEM flipping town

As it proves me town for defending him

[implosion]

Sometimes you just have to put your chips where they fall and take an educated risk

And considering people won’t vote HEM that makes him town.

Otherwise they’d just bus for credit

Considering people won't vote HEM that makes him scum.

Otherwise they'd just take the free mislim.

[MathBlade]

Most everyone here says preflip associatives are bad

But instead have preflipped HEM scum

Any defense I do if HEM will be completely disregarded

I and the other four people on the HEM wagon are, by my estimation, at least mostly voting HEM primarily on the merits of HEM's play, not on preflipping an association with you. Heck I've indicated very mixed feelings on you and Aristeia has called you probably wrong town a bunch.

Then explain why the counter wagon on me from Gamma and Harley and one other person who swear they scumread HEM then don’t vote there

They ducking don’t want HeM flipped

[Aristeia]

its probly because you annoy them

[MathBlade]

Sometimes you just have to put your chips where they fall and take an educated risk

And considering people won’t vote HEM that makes him town.

Otherwise they’d just bus for credit

Considering people won't vote HEM that makes him scum.

Otherwise they'd just take the free mislim.

They can’t

They prove me town with an HEM townflip

[Aristeia]

so why dont u vote for hem and prove yourself town

[MathBlade]

its probly because you annoy them

Well I am going to be annoyed when no matter what I do I am scum

We can’t talk my Dwlee read

If I try to defend HEM it gets ignored

What the hell am I supposed to do?

[MathBlade]

so why dont u vote for hem and prove yourself town

Because then I would eat a ban for town voting town post game

[Aristeia]

I'm not talking about you being annoyed

I'm telling you they are voting you because you are annoying them by spamming the thread full of things that they find nonsensical.

[implosion]

Math, what specifically do you consider you defending HEM that has been "ignored"?

[Aristeia]

so why dont u vote for hem and prove yourself town

Because then I would eat a ban for town voting town post game

Seems unlikely to happen