Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Titus]

UNVOTE: HEM

Don't want an elim when ill.

Who claimed vig?

No one

Someone subtly hinted they’d shoot me but instead are pushing on me

But they can just shoot me instead

Who?

[Save The Dragons]

I haven't read. Can someone 411

People being pissy I townread HEM

Then decide I am scum because I townread HEm

Then I dared people into voting HEM

And they won’t

Proving me right

who are you referring to

[MathBlade]

UNVOTE: HEM

Don't want an elim when ill.

Who claimed vig?

No one

Someone subtly hinted they’d shoot me but instead are pushing on me

But they can just shoot me instead

Who?

Not going to answer that. I have left hints. The only thing answering that does is get them shot

[MathBlade]

I haven't read. Can someone 411

People being pissy I townread HEM

Then decide I am scum because I townread HEm

Then I dared people into voting HEM

And they won’t

Proving me right

who are you referring to

People who scumread HEM and started a wagon on me instead

So pretty much my entire wagon.

[MathBlade]

And Titus too

[Save The Dragons]

i don't think so buster

[implosion]

why even speculate out loud about who is a vig

[Save The Dragons]

I don't think it applies to gamma or HQ either

[Enchant]

You really wagon math for townreading hum?
Bruhbruh.

[Save The Dragons]

[MathBlade]

why even speculate out loud about who is a vig

Exactly

It’s why I won’t say who

Only you remember this later

Because someone is ew ew ew right now but it’s okay they’re just being silly

[implosion]

but... why even say anything at all X_X

[Ausuka]

I'm suspicious about Dwlee's progression on HEM. They say in post 480 they're voting HEM to sheep Ari. It definitely comes across as a weak read, saying they were basically just voting HEM because Ari said so until they were able to put more effort into sorting. This is mostly fair but some of their later posts rub me the wrong way with this in mind - particularly this post,

MathBlade and HEM probably are SvS

Math just ignored my response to his terrible read on me

The preflip associative here doesn't feel natural imo. Their read on HEM doesn't seem to have advanced - at least, they haven't shown any visible effort to sort HEM in thread, and considering HEM has been the largest wagon for most of the game I'd expect them to talk about their read more if it had. So tying Mathblade and HEM together as a 'probable' scumteam feels too confident from Dwlee here, if that makes sense.

Math is scum 100%

Similarly with this, I understand how the Dwlee math read could come from town but like, the 100% thing seems way too far, much worse than the whole 'I really feel Dwlee is scum' thing Math did.

[Ausuka]

he's not making a big deal out of it

he said you were town once in a post

he only repeated it because bella and others asked him

I agree with Ari's take on this I think but the way HQ was afraid of pocketing from like quite a towny player which she was also townreading feels town I guess? I feel like scum HQ is more likely to take the townread from STD

Zzz I should have made time for this game earlier in the day I thought I would be much more awake than I actually am tbh

[MathBlade]

but... why even say anything at all X_X

Because it’s important

[Roden]

He moved the game towards talking reads and instead of working on reads y’all dog piled on HEM for asking the purpose rather than dragging it down in RVS mech theories

This isn't true. I had to tell him to move on multiple times because he kept complaining about the numbers and Ari in general. He didn't want to move the game towards working on reads and instead preferred to keep arguing with Ari and make the Day's focus about their 1v1.

[Roden]

Dwlee’s entire ISO is devoid of any hunting/content except me/HEM scum. There’s no hunting

You’re the first to talk about my read on Dwlee in a long while.

Dwlee is usually way more active as town than scum.

The fact no one else is noticing this makes them scum

???

I tried to engage on you Dwlee and didn't get a response.

idk
but I dislike how he's being hard to work with when it comes to explaining reads
which is ironic because I think he pushed StD for that earlier

I don’t really see a point right now

HEM is the de facto elim

No one is going to change their minds

From HEM’s flip and who scum kill I can see where to go from here

I likely don’t die

There just literally is no point in it

I'm only up to page 19 atm (it feels like it's 70% Ari vs. HEM gosh) so obviously the vibe could have drastically changed or something, but just looking at recent posts, time to deadline, vote count etc. from an external perspective, this sort of resignation to HEM being flipped when you think they're town seems... excessive?

It’s more everyone has not wanted to discuss my scumreads in Dwlee and Titus

And I am incapable of explaining my HEM TR so yeah I am just waiting for the flip or when people want to discuss wagons or try having a second wagon today.

It just sort of is what it is

I don't think anyone said they don't want to talk about your scum reads. As far as what you said to me, you just kinda asked me what I thought of a Titus/Dwlee/Gamma team, and while I mostly disagreed with it I didn't say the first two were impossible by any means. I didn't get a response to it at all actually.

After I died in Flash Games I still kept up a bit and saw what you had to say about my read on Titus, so I know you can expound on what makes her scummy and when you think someone is reading her incorrectly.

As for Dwlee, you and Titus have opposing reads on them but I don't really understand why? I feel like that's something you can dig into here and feels really important for understanding the game state.

And if you really think HEM is town then you need to explain it, it's not worth hiding why you TR him if he gets mis-elim'd. You're not even implying that it would break any rules to explain it, so I don't get why you would hold back there.

[implosion]

He moved the game towards talking reads and instead of working on reads y’all dog piled on HEM for asking the purpose rather than dragging it down in RVS mech theories

This isn't true. I had to tell him to move on multiple times because he kept complaining about the numbers and Ari in general. He didn't want to move the game towards working on reads and instead preferred to keep arguing with Ari and make the Day's focus about their 1v1.

In particular, if hem's aim was to move the game toward talking about reads... why has he done so little talking about reads?

[Roden]

@Ari:

Could you go into a little more detail here on why you think Math could just be wrong town and not scum?

He feels really weird this game and I don't get it. I've played with Math many times now, and no matter his alignment he generally feels competent and convincing with what he says. I've only ever felt a disconnect with him twice: the first time I played with him and he was scum, and one time when he was town but I was heavily pocketed. This game, I just feel like what he's saying doesn't match reality, but I don't get why he'd play this way as scum.

[Wallflower]

VOTE: Implosion

I’m a bit short on time but I’ll have more to say on this soon

[Bellaphant]

@ Roden,.I know you didn't ask me but this is exactly how math played in the team mafia game and they were town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm suspicious about Dwlee's progression on HEM. They say in post 480 they're voting HEM to sheep Ari. It definitely comes across as a weak read, saying they were basically just voting HEM because Ari said so until they were able to put more effort into sorting. This is mostly fair but some of their later posts rub me the wrong way with this in mind - particularly this post,

MathBlade and HEM probably are SvS

Math just ignored my response to his terrible read on me

The preflip associative here doesn't feel natural imo. Their read on HEM doesn't seem to have advanced - at least, they haven't shown any visible effort to sort HEM in thread, and considering HEM has been the largest wagon for most of the game I'd expect them to talk about their read more if it had. So tying Mathblade and HEM together as a 'probable' scumteam feels too confident from Dwlee here, if that makes sense.

Math is scum 100%

Similarly with this, I understand how the Dwlee math read could come from town but like, the 100% thing seems way too far, much worse than the whole 'I really feel Dwlee is scum' thing Math did.

YOU STOLE MY COMEBACK POST

[humaneatingmonkey]

Math don't worry I am town your efforts aren't wasted

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ari I've asked you again and again to describe my town meta and you've failed to answer me at every turn. Did you really do your meta on me on good faith? I thought you had metric ton of meta on me?

[humaneatingmonkey]

btw im back. i'm still in pain but im back there mentally and not constantly in opioids lol