Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[MathBlade]

@Keeper - I had zero win path as scum here if you think i killed Mastina here.

I am frustrated because I'm getting pushed for killing a partner for no reason essentially at this point.

I feel that's completely fair of me.

I feel the frustration is fair

But that doesn’t change you’re scum

And that I was blocked N2
And will show that I checked Klick when I die

[Flavor Leaf]

@Keeper - I had zero win path as scum here if you think i killed Mastina here.

I am frustrated because I'm getting pushed for killing a partner for no reason essentially at this point.

I feel that's completely fair of me.

I have wagoned and thrown my partner to the lions D1 previously.
I have no reason to believe you wouldn't do similar/worse.

I'm anti bus. I don't believe I've ever thrown a partner to the lions on Day 1 in my entire 8 years on this site.

[Nashville Dreams]

Nero Cain - If anyone needs details, I can provide them. From Math's flail to the fact that Nero has many easy meta places to hide, I feel confident this is town Nero. I'm not even going through the VCA here but I suspects it supports my thoughs.

The Keeper - Interesting one. I don't know them well enough to totally rule them out as mafia, but I'm not in the mood for calithenics. Like 95% not mafia and that's good enough for anywhere but elo. Wolf is an interesting one. If the game state wasn't such a spam fest, I would be definitely down for forcing the gladiate. We're just not in a position to do so. Plus, having the threat around is good. However, there's no way to verify if the gladiate is real is to use it. That's a schrodinger's cat right there. To verify it's existence, we have to do the anti-town thing. Keeper doesn't seem confident enough in their reads to push a gladiate down yet, which I'm ok with. The game needs less heroes and less posts overall. I wish I could get more of a feel for them, but it's hard with the baggage. Nailing another wolf would allow me to get a stronger read here. - Lean town for now.

bnuuy and tictac - They have very odd pairings with the votes. At least once they were neighbors, which suggests not both wolves. Both were run up and failed d1. Yet by play, neither has provided a lot. Some of that could be due to the gamestate. bnuuy being a counter to catboi with Wallpaper (now Nero) on catboi and Menalque on bnuuy gives me an idea.

Fos: Menalque and tictac as partners.

tictac (6) | SCP 682, Ydrasse, Nashville Dreams, Flavor Leaf, Save The Dragons, butterchurn

bnuuy (5) | mastina, Klick, Menalque, cassowary, catboi

We have the entire monkery on tictac yet no wolves jump on. We have butterchurn on tictac now which makes butterchurn a null in this. He may have just been settling for not catboi at this point.

That becomes particularly apparent when Toog becomes a wagon. We find menalque abandoning the bnuuy wagon to go to town toog.

Looking at the analysis there's a strong case for both Menalque and tictac being wolves.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Keeper - I had zero win path as scum here if you think i killed Mastina here.

I am frustrated because I'm getting pushed for killing a partner for no reason essentially at this point.

I feel that's completely fair of me.

I feel the frustration is fair

But that doesn’t change you’re scum

And that I was blocked N2
And will show that I checked Klick when I die

And you'll be the damn fool post game who costs this game if you are town.

[Nashville Dreams]

Guys can you pleasae slow down and stfu and engage my posts regarding things please?

[Nashville Dreams]

I forgot toog takes so long to hammer when competed against catboi (pure no wolves wagon) because wolves were already on the Toog wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

tictac (6) |

SCP 682

,

Ydrasse

, Nashville Dreams,

Flavor Leaf, Save The Dragons

,

butterchurn

Yes. This is entirely indicative of TicTac wolf. I called out TicTac as wolf days ago at this point.

There last few days have been absolutely abysmal, and Math has been blanket protecting them.

[MathBlade]

Guys can you pleasae slow down and stfu and engage my posts regarding things please?

You are scum

I engaged

[Flavor Leaf]

Bnuuy and TicTac are like 98% wolves to me.

And Mathblade NEEDS me dead because I've been pushing TicTac for days, and I also called out Bnuuy.

Mathblade is acting like Mafia needs to be the one taken out this day phase for some reason, when Wolves are the threat right now.

The Wolf team is literally just Mathblade, TicTac, and Bnuuy.

[MathBlade]

tictac (6) |

SCP 682

,

Ydrasse

, Nashville Dreams,

Flavor Leaf, Save The Dragons

,

butterchurn

Yes. This is entirely indicative of TicTac wolf. I called out TicTac as wolf days ago at this point.

There last few days have been absolutely abysmal, and Math has been blanket protecting them.

Correct tictac has been correct on you for as long if not longer

[MathBlade]

Bnuuy and TicTac are like 98% wolves to me.

And Mathblade NEEDS me dead because I've been pushing TicTac for days, and I also called out Bnuuy.

Mathblade is acting like Mafia needs to be the one taken out this day phase for some reason, when Wolves are the threat right now.

The Wolf team is literally just Mathblade, TicTac, and Bnuuy.

Your wolf team is just anyone who susses you

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: mathblade

[Save The Dragons]

I'm scared tho

[Flavor Leaf]

Menalque probably Mafia.

I killed Catboi, I killed Mastina. I hard pushed and lead CSF on Day 2.

I have called out Math, TicTac, and Bnuuy as the rest of the wolves.

Other than Enchant and Butter, I am a leading factor pushing 7/9 scum.

You can dislike me and how I play, but out of 3 of the 4 group scum pushed, I was one of the, if not, the biggest ones pushing each of them.

You can check how my other town games where I am doing well on work, and in those games I am constantly under fire.


Keep in mind, CSF targeted Menalque Night 2, and Menalque is the one to come out and say "CSF is not a wolf!", and then the next night, I am the one who got the message, the one who was pushing CSF the most."

Why did Menalque get that?

Who got the message on Night 1?

Menalque is Mafia.

Mathblade, TicTac, and Bnuuy are wolves.

[Flavor Leaf]

Bnuuy and TicTac are like 98% wolves to me.

And Mathblade NEEDS me dead because I've been pushing TicTac for days, and I also called out Bnuuy.

Mathblade is acting like Mafia needs to be the one taken out this day phase for some reason, when Wolves are the threat right now.

The Wolf team is literally just Mathblade, TicTac, and Bnuuy.

Your wolf team is just anyone who susses you

Incorrect, the ones sussing me are the ones I pushed as wolves, not the other way around.

[Nashville Dreams]

Math and Klick - Wolves section

Now here's where we get into more of math's bullshit as a whole.

Let's start with this claim. It's a claim that's a) more powerful than anything else b) can morph into anything else c) gives him powerful saving capabilities in a game where the nightkills are telegraphed. He doesn't play it like that though.

He plays constructive to a narrative. He would investigate the possibility that I was mafia if he wasn't desperate to survive. He knows that he can't easily be crosskilled because mafia/wolves cannot take the risk so he says whatever he can to survive the day phase and leaves himself utterly prepared to survive the day phase.

His play insisting the mechanics are true might be TMI. The insistence that mafia shot SCP otherwise makes no sense unless he's claiming that he didn't shoot them (or that he did as mafia see the math as mafia discussion)

Monkeyman's voting patterns are not stellar for Mathblade. Monkeyman, despite being active, vote parked catboi until it was going to go through. Then he bails to tictac. This is a Mathblade bnuuy setup.

Mathblade hard townreading bnuuy and trying to force an elimination between himself and FL protects bnuuy and buys time for the third wolf to survive. He knows that if he flips wolf that we'll likely flip FL anyway due to the mechanical situation suggesting that FL is scum and no viable alternative despite that not making much sense. He wants to stop hunting.

The order of Math's usage of his role makes no sense either.

I'm not going into exquisite detail here because I've already said a lot of this in the past.

[Nashville Dreams]

Menalque probably Mafia.

I killed Catboi, I killed Mastina. I hard pushed and lead CSF on Day 2.

I have called out Math, TicTac, and Bnuuy as the rest of the wolves.

Other than Enchant and Butter, I am a leading factor pushing 7/9 scum.

You can dislike me and how I play, but out of 3 of the 4 group scum pushed, I was one of the, if not, the biggest ones pushing each of them.

You can check how my other town games where I am doing well on work, and in those games I am constantly under fire.


Keep in mind, CSF targeted Menalque Night 2, and Menalque is the one to come out and say "CSF is not a wolf!", and then the next night, I am the one who got the message, the one who was pushing CSF the most."

Why did Menalque get that?

Who got the message on Night 1?

Menalque is Mafia.

Mathblade, TicTac, and Bnuuy are wolves.

I can give you Math and Bnuuy.
I can give you Menalque and tictac.

I can't give you tictac and bnuuy.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have been on only one single misfade this entire game, and it was Cassowary, however, it fit into my "scum is in purple" VCA theory with Menalque, Monkey, and Cass.

Please follow my reads, I have had an incredibly strong town game this game, and I've been targeted and put under fire to specifically eliminate my ability to catch scum all game.

Scum want me to feel drowned out because that's when I start to post in a way that is more unlikable and it gets people to push me further.

[Nashville Dreams]

I forgot Klick up there.

Math could be buying Klick's vote. Klick is a required kill for mafia to endgame. If Klick is a wolf with Mathblade, then Mathblade should always be flipped first or Klick will be shot. Klick's a no go for me as wolf. They're a mason. Not interested unless we get to an elo with Klick and Math alive. Then I'll speculate about another cleric.

[Flavor Leaf]

Menalque probably Mafia.

I killed Catboi, I killed Mastina. I hard pushed and lead CSF on Day 2.

I have called out Math, TicTac, and Bnuuy as the rest of the wolves.

Other than Enchant and Butter, I am a leading factor pushing 7/9 scum.

You can dislike me and how I play, but out of 3 of the 4 group scum pushed, I was one of the, if not, the biggest ones pushing each of them.

You can check how my other town games where I am doing well on work, and in those games I am constantly under fire.


Keep in mind, CSF targeted Menalque Night 2, and Menalque is the one to come out and say "CSF is not a wolf!", and then the next night, I am the one who got the message, the one who was pushing CSF the most."

Why did Menalque get that?

Who got the message on Night 1?

Menalque is Mafia.

Mathblade, TicTac, and Bnuuy are wolves.

I can give you Math and Bnuuy.
I can give you Menalque and tictac.

I can't give you tictac and bnuuy.

Then one of them are the Mafia. Either way, fading in those 4 wins this game.

[Nashville Dreams]

Ok, I think I have said my pieces. I'd love some feedback on my reads on an individual level.

[The Keeper]

10817 - Titus Wall/VCA is honestly as expected.

Smart actions aren't always the best actions though, and you know that.

[Nashville Dreams]

Menalque probably Mafia.

I killed Catboi, I killed Mastina. I hard pushed and lead CSF on Day 2.

I have called out Math, TicTac, and Bnuuy as the rest of the wolves.

Other than Enchant and Butter, I am a leading factor pushing 7/9 scum.

You can dislike me and how I play, but out of 3 of the 4 group scum pushed, I was one of the, if not, the biggest ones pushing each of them.

You can check how my other town games where I am doing well on work, and in those games I am constantly under fire.


Keep in mind, CSF targeted Menalque Night 2, and Menalque is the one to come out and say "CSF is not a wolf!", and then the next night, I am the one who got the message, the one who was pushing CSF the most."

Why did Menalque get that?

Who got the message on Night 1?

Menalque is Mafia.

Mathblade, TicTac, and Bnuuy are wolves.

I can give you Math and Bnuuy.
I can give you Menalque and tictac.

I can't give you tictac and bnuuy.

Then one of them are the Mafia. Either way, fading in those 4 wins this game.

I don't see a setup in those four where anyone but Math or menalque is mafia and then that gives me a team that makes no sense according to my VCA. I can see both tictac and bnuuy as scum but not them both together. Particularly with their push jointly with Mathblade.

[Flavor Leaf]

There is zero reason for Mathblade as town to "need" to have me faded here today. Them saying that we have to kill Mafia is absolutely absurd considering I am a Monk and wolves would be taking me out eventually anyways.

Mathblade is actively protecting wolves this day phase.

Like Titus says, there isn't a single other role in this game that is as convoluted as Mathblade's.

They use leap of faith assumptions like they are fact.

They say they need to fade me today or else when there's never a world where I endgame this game.

Mathblade is a Wolf.

[Nashville Dreams]

10817 - Titus Wall/VCA is honestly as expected.

Smart actions aren't always the best actions though, and you know that.

True, but I can't see Flavor taking a series of actions that nets his team a near zero percent win chance on n2. It made more sense prior to the CSF flip but now....

Then, I suppose smart choices and end up at Math.