Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Titus]

Math, while I'm not solely responsible, I can explain how the wagons developed on HEM and my role in them, why I left and how this game is going socially if you'd like. I think it might help if you're town so you can learn exactly how to reach people possibly. I'd like to reach you if you're town. Engaging you on your points won't help me sort you and I doubt it will help you sort me if you're town. Seeing how you can interact with others more positively might. I'm hoping so at least. It'll take a lot of energy from me though with specific posts as examples and including feedback you've gotten from other people and how they have told you that you've rubbed them the wrong way. If you're willing to listen, I'm willing to try.

[MathBlade]

Math, while I'm not solely responsible, I can explain how the wagons developed on HEM and my role in them, why I left and how this game is going socially if you'd like. I think it might help if you're town so you can learn exactly how to reach people possibly. I'd like to reach you if you're town. Engaging you on your points won't help me sort you and I doubt it will help you sort me if you're town. Seeing how you can interact with others more positively might. I'm hoping so at least. It'll take a lot of energy from me though with specific posts as examples and including feedback you've gotten from other people and how they have told you that you've rubbed them the wrong way. If you're willing to listen, I'm willing to try.

I reach people for my job just fine

I reach people on other sites just fine

This site just has a rep of Math = ridiculous

So if I say anything at all it doesn’t matter.

If engaging my points won’t help town and you don’t know what they are you’ve already determined I am wrong.

If I am already wrong then speaking with you is not helpful.

[MathBlade]

That’s why you never make the case anyone is scum to that person

They will never agree with you

You just spam out their bullshit and hope and pray others believe you.

[MathBlade]

Then you just keep trying until it’s not fruitful.

Then you try to make openings where it is.

Then if that’s not possible you say fuck it

[MathBlade]

Scum just lie and say I am ridiculous when it is obvious or they not get it.

So no if people don’t understand scum don’t want to look bad when HEM flips town

That’s an elementary concept

Either you agree or you don’t.

I could say mafia don’t want to look horrible

That’s the same thing.

[Titus]

Alright, well I guess it's ignoring you when I disagree since you've ruled out a productive conversation because you think I am scum.

I'm not even sure you are but I was hoping to at least talk to you about why you have so much trouble here. If that's not a conversation you're ready for, I guess it's Math can be limmed when I disagree because I don't want to deal.

[MathBlade]

And here instead of interacting with that simple point

You decide belittling me like I am three and don’t know how to talk to humans

You’re doing this so people like you for brownie points.

And you want those brownie points as either alignment.

Don’t pretend you’re teaching me when you’re just being patronizing and insulting

[Wallflower]

Implosion’s response is ummm not what I was expecting.

UNVOTE:

I need to think a bit more about this

[Dwlee99]

@dwlee lots of could bes

I see zero solve on you.

Sorry I don't have the mafia team in my role pm so I can't be completely sure

[Titus]

*shrug* I'm sorry if you felt I was talking down to you. That wasn't my intent. I'll leave open the possibility that I was inartful in my wording. I don't really care how others perceive my alignment or give brownie points. I'm reaching out to sort you and to have you be a better communicator for this site's meta. I'm in no way saying you can't talk to people IRL or on other sites. Just something you're doing here is ineffective on this site for this crowd and it's not your name because you could alt and obscure that.

[Wallflower]

Nope and until you get the difference, you will have the persuasiveness of a housefly in a venus fly trap.

this is a sign of town!Titus

I’m coming around to Titustown as well. What do you think of HEM’s recent posts?

[Wallflower]

Actually, you know what?

VOTE: Enchant

I don’t care about the numbers

[Wallflower]

I wanted to say something else but that would have been a bit rude

[Titus]

I'd compromise on Enchant if I can't get anything else good but I am a bit worried as to the timing. I think we should ideally give Enchant 1 day.

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s why you never make the case anyone is scum to that person

They will never agree with you

You just spam out their bullshit and hope and pray others believe you.

Spam v Spam only goes so far imo
When it gets too much the one who can pull back will likely win

[Gamma Emerald]

Nope and until you get the difference, you will have the persuasiveness of a housefly in a venus fly trap.

this is a sign of town!Titus

I’m coming around to Titustown as well. What do you think of HEM’s recent posts?

Nothing especially groundbreaking from HEM imo
I don’t like that he feels the need to rehash stuff with Ari
I feel like while some of the wording could have been done better Ari definitely wasn’t crossing the line her evaluation of his play

[MathBlade]

That’s why you never make the case anyone is scum to that person

They will never agree with you

You just spam out their bullshit and hope and pray others believe you.

Spam v Spam only goes so far imo
When it gets too much the one who can pull back will likely win

Not in my experience

The one who pulls back loses
Gets sussed for either changing their mind
Or for not believing hard enough

[MathBlade]

Scum are still scared of an HEM flip

[Roden]

Math, do you think I'm ignoring you?

[Aristeia]

i do admit i am kind of ignoring math because ive found him to be super fustrating to talk to when hes super invested in an idea

i think he will be much better after hem flips.

[Aristeia]

i still think flipping mathblade over hem is a very suboptimal play because the odds of scum!mb WKing a town!hem is extraordinarily low. i think he is way overdoing the defense here.

[Titus]

I do think it's best to avoid talking to Math atm until he's ready to listen about how he's affecting people and how his communication isn't working. He's just not willing to. I'm not going to engage his opinions on me, but if someone thinks he makes a particular point they'd want my input on, I'd be glad to answer.

I don't think Math will be better until Dwlee or I flip or are mech cleared, even if I reasses on Dwlee. Math's positions make me not want to though even though I don't have a strong read on Dwlee. I just feel he is town.

Also, given the fact we're getting a Math wagon together,, I find Wallflower's timing off. Enchant strategically isn't be best lim for day 1 because he's a certain power role. If he took vengeful (pretty much a scum claim) it will not change. If he took ascetic cop, he'll get a result unless scum kill him. The only exception is that if Enchant took a one shot vig. He'd use it N1 and would have next to no idea who to shoot. However, there's a risk any scum takes the one shot vig.

[Titus]

i still think flipping mathblade over hem is a very suboptimal play because the odds of scum!mb WKing a town!hem is extraordinarily low. i think he is way overdoing the defense here.

Fair. I am not sure exactly what Math's agenda is. He's still my favorite lim right now though.

Who exactly is your townblock and your scumblock?

[Harley Quinn]

Feel better HEM.

No on Dwlee. Roden looks bad and I doubt scum match each other.

Dwlee scum for not posting
Titus scum for saying no on Dwlee without quantifying
Ari town
Std prob town but occasional pings

Everyone else I kinda don’t give a fuck since they don’t want to talk and just sat on HEM

Now we have a game I might give a fuck

Ari town for drinking Math koolade more like. Gamma is playing identically here to that Koba normal - which is why Math claiming he couldn’t find town!Gamma is so many layers of horseshit and Titus just obvtowned.

I love all of your posts mistepping me for voting you for tr HEM. HEM may or not be scum but you definitely are. You voted HEM simultaneously insisting he was town because Ari pressured you to do it. When does town!Math ever simultaneously vote the same player and inssts they’re town due to pressure?

And Ari, I’m not voting Math for being “annoying”, I’m voting him because absolutely nothings he’s posting makes an iota of sense or is a genuine townie thought process.

So HEM has pretty high scum equity based off how hard Math has been trying to save him but it’s possible HEM is town being WKed by Math but Math seemed way too upset for that to make sense. Also he seemed resigned to HEM flipping until Implosion pointed out that despite Math’s insisting HEM was town, he was extremely reluctantly accepting it. Now, I expect that if HEM flipps scum, Math will play the I don’t hard defend my buddy sctick.

So Math 99.99999% scum and HEM extremely likely a buddy.

[Titus]

Now, I expect that if HEM flipps scum, Math will play the I don’t hard defend my buddy sctick.

I don't think this works with anyone who has ever played a game with Math. He would own that he hard defends either way because he has his opinions and no one could dispute that because he is as stubborn when he's wrong as he's right.