Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Aristeia]

harley

mathblade not making sense

is not scum indicative for him

i have argued for so literally days with town!mathblade.

[Harley Quinn]

Feel better HEM.

No on Dwlee. Roden looks bad and I doubt scum match each other.

Dwlee scum for not posting
Titus scum for saying no on Dwlee without quantifying
Ari town
Std prob town but occasional pings

Everyone else I kinda don’t give a fuck since they don’t want to talk and just sat on HEM

Now we have a game I might give a fuck

So Ari is your only solid town read?

Technically HEM still is but I am down to policy him I kinda don’t want to be right there

But yeah

Everyone else to be reads like they don’t want to talk to me so shrug

Lololol, you want to policy your #1 “tr” to save yourself. Math couldn’t be more scummy if he posted his red role pm.

[Aristeia]

i still think flipping mathblade over hem is a very suboptimal play because the odds of scum!mb WKing a town!hem is extraordinarily low. i think he is way overdoing the defense here.

Fair. I am not sure exactly what Math's agenda is. He's still my favorite lim right now though.

Who exactly is your townblock and your scumblock?

townblock is hq titus gamma std mathblade

i think scum are hem enchant

im shaky on implo think he could be third not anywhere near as good feeling tbh

[Aristeia]

Feel better HEM.

No on Dwlee. Roden looks bad and I doubt scum match each other.

Dwlee scum for not posting
Titus scum for saying no on Dwlee without quantifying
Ari town
Std prob town but occasional pings

Everyone else I kinda don’t give a fuck since they don’t want to talk and just sat on HEM

Now we have a game I might give a fuck

So Ari is your only solid town read?

Technically HEM still is but I am down to policy him I kinda don’t want to be right there

But yeah

Everyone else to be reads like they don’t want to talk to me so shrug

Lololol, you want to policy your #1 “tr” to save yourself. Math couldn’t be more scummy if he posted his red role pm.

to be fair i did kind of twist his arm to get him to vote for hem >.>

[Aristeia]

i forgot to add ausuka into townblock. i think she is town too

[Titus]

i still think flipping mathblade over hem is a very suboptimal play because the odds of scum!mb WKing a town!hem is extraordinarily low. i think he is way overdoing the defense here.

Fair. I am not sure exactly what Math's agenda is. He's still my favorite lim right now though.

Who exactly is your townblock and your scumblock?

townblock is hq titus gamma std mathblade

i think scum are hem enchant

im shaky on implo think he could be third not anywhere near as good feeling tbh

What about Wallflower? Aside from Math, I like your townblock but I need more on Ausuka. Can you explain?

[Harley Quinn]

harley

mathblade not making sense

is not scum indicative for him

i have argued for so literally days with town!mathblade.

Town!Math would never ever policy his top townread for any reason nor vote them under pressure. HEM said himself scum!Math panders. He’s pocketing you.

[Harley Quinn]

Feel better HEM.

No on Dwlee. Roden looks bad and I doubt scum match each other.

Dwlee scum for not posting
Titus scum for saying no on Dwlee without quantifying
Ari town
Std prob town but occasional pings

Everyone else I kinda don’t give a fuck since they don’t want to talk and just sat on HEM

Now we have a game I might give a fuck

So Ari is your only solid town read?

Technically HEM still is but I am down to policy him I kinda don’t want to be right there

But yeah

Everyone else to be reads like they don’t want to talk to me so shrug

Lololol, you want to policy your #1 “tr” to save yourself. Math couldn’t be more scummy if he posted his red role pm.

to be fair i did kind of twist his arm to get him to vote for hem >.>

You can’t twist town!Math’s arm ever. He does what he wants and he is the kind of townie that will happily die to either take out scum or save a tr. He is never ever self pres as town only as scum.

[Aristeia]

i still think flipping mathblade over hem is a very suboptimal play because the odds of scum!mb WKing a town!hem is extraordinarily low. i think he is way overdoing the defense here.

Fair. I am not sure exactly what Math's agenda is. He's still my favorite lim right now though.

Who exactly is your townblock and your scumblock?

townblock is hq titus gamma std mathblade

i think scum are hem enchant

im shaky on implo think he could be third not anywhere near as good feeling tbh

What about Wallflower? Aside from Math, I like your townblock but I need more on Ausuka. Can you explain?

i havent actually read any of wallflower's posts

i think the way ausuka engaged with me felt p townie - like she recalled the game she played where the large numbers were all mafia and she felt like she really believed in what she was doing. Also the interactions with hem feel largely unaligned like he was trying to drift off of her momentum to push me.

[Aristeia]

Feel better HEM.

No on Dwlee. Roden looks bad and I doubt scum match each other.

Dwlee scum for not posting
Titus scum for saying no on Dwlee without quantifying
Ari town
Std prob town but occasional pings

Everyone else I kinda don’t give a fuck since they don’t want to talk and just sat on HEM

Now we have a game I might give a fuck

So Ari is your only solid town read?

Technically HEM still is but I am down to policy him I kinda don’t want to be right there

But yeah

Everyone else to be reads like they don’t want to talk to me so shrug

Lololol, you want to policy your #1 “tr” to save yourself. Math couldn’t be more scummy if he posted his red role pm.

to be fair i did kind of twist his arm to get him to vote for hem >.>

You can’t twist town!Math’s arm ever. He does what he wants and he is the kind of townie that will happily die to either take out scum or save a tr. He is never ever self pres as town only as scum.

well i think i can cuz when we argue most of the time im right ^_^

[Wallflower]

I do think it's best to avoid talking to Math atm until he's ready to listen about how he's affecting people and how his communication isn't working. He's just not willing to. I'm not going to engage his opinions on me, but if someone thinks he makes a particular point they'd want my input on, I'd be glad to answer.

I don't think Math will be better until Dwlee or I flip or are mech cleared, even if I reasses on Dwlee. Math's positions make me not want to though even though I don't have a strong read on Dwlee. I just feel he is town.

Also, given the fact we're getting a Math wagon together,, I find Wallflower's timing off. Enchant strategically isn't be best lim for day 1 because he's a certain power role. If he took vengeful (pretty much a scum claim) it will not change. If he took ascetic cop, he'll get a result unless scum kill him. The only exception is that if Enchant took a one shot vig. He'd use it N1 and would have next to no idea who to shoot. However, there's a risk any scum takes the one shot vig.

My thoughts might not make complete sense and maybe I have this pathological need to be DIFFERENT, but my understanding is that the main reason this matches Math-scum is the giving up on saving HEM rather than just continuing to push the townread, right? I am concerned by that too, but given the state of the game and especially HEM not even posting at the time, I can see a world where math truly feels that way.

When it comes to Enchant, it just feels… wrong to me that we have to let speculation about a role Enchant may or may not have take them off the table, especially when there’s no one else I actually could vote for right now and say “yeah that feels right to me”

[Titus]

I'm kinda just in the mood where we can eliminate anyone who isn't Gamma Roden HQ Bella or myself, maybe Ari because she's townblock adjacent and Tring most of the townblock. Thoughts HQ? I'm kinda reluctant to do HEM due to Math. Enchant gtmh ok. Dwlee not feeling it.

That leaves Wallflower Ausuka implosion and Math.


HQ is totally right on Math meta but this game is unlike any I have seen of him. He usually has reads and then jumps to people aren't listening as opposed to why bother posting when no one will listen.

[Titus]

I do think it's best to avoid talking to Math atm until he's ready to listen about how he's affecting people and how his communication isn't working. He's just not willing to. I'm not going to engage his opinions on me, but if someone thinks he makes a particular point they'd want my input on, I'd be glad to answer.

I don't think Math will be better until Dwlee or I flip or are mech cleared, even if I reasses on Dwlee. Math's positions make me not want to though even though I don't have a strong read on Dwlee. I just feel he is town.

Also, given the fact we're getting a Math wagon together,, I find Wallflower's timing off. Enchant strategically isn't be best lim for day 1 because he's a certain power role. If he took vengeful (pretty much a scum claim) it will not change. If he took ascetic cop, he'll get a result unless scum kill him. The only exception is that if Enchant took a one shot vig. He'd use it N1 and would have next to no idea who to shoot. However, there's a risk any scum takes the one shot vig.

My thoughts might not make complete sense and maybe I have this pathological need to be DIFFERENT, but my understanding is that the main reason this matches Math-scum is the giving up on saving HEM rather than just continuing to push the townread, right? I am concerned by that too, but given the state of the game and especially HEM not even posting at the time, I can see a world where math truly feels that way.

When it comes to Enchant, it just feels… wrong to me that we have to let speculation about a role Enchant may or may not have take them off the table, especially when there’s no one else I actually could vote for right now and say “yeah that feels right to me”

So you're townreading everyone else?

[Wallflower]

i still think flipping mathblade over hem is a very suboptimal play because the odds of scum!mb WKing a town!hem is extraordinarily low. i think he is way overdoing the defense here.

Fair. I am not sure exactly what Math's agenda is. He's still my favorite lim right now though.

Who exactly is your townblock and your scumblock?

townblock is hq titus gamma std mathblade

i think scum are hem enchant

im shaky on implo think he could be third not anywhere near as good feeling tbh

Would be interested in what you think about implo’s response to my suspicion of him. I would have expected scum to go for a more discredit-y angle there. Also the admission regarding posts on Mathblade threw me for a bit of a loop.

[Wallflower]

I do think it's best to avoid talking to Math atm until he's ready to listen about how he's affecting people and how his communication isn't working. He's just not willing to. I'm not going to engage his opinions on me, but if someone thinks he makes a particular point they'd want my input on, I'd be glad to answer.

I don't think Math will be better until Dwlee or I flip or are mech cleared, even if I reasses on Dwlee. Math's positions make me not want to though even though I don't have a strong read on Dwlee. I just feel he is town.

Also, given the fact we're getting a Math wagon together,, I find Wallflower's timing off. Enchant strategically isn't be best lim for day 1 because he's a certain power role. If he took vengeful (pretty much a scum claim) it will not change. If he took ascetic cop, he'll get a result unless scum kill him. The only exception is that if Enchant took a one shot vig. He'd use it N1 and would have next to no idea who to shoot. However, there's a risk any scum takes the one shot vig.

My thoughts might not make complete sense and maybe I have this pathological need to be DIFFERENT, but my understanding is that the main reason this matches Math-scum is the giving up on saving HEM rather than just continuing to push the townread, right? I am concerned by that too, but given the state of the game and especially HEM not even posting at the time, I can see a world where math truly feels that way.

When it comes to Enchant, it just feels… wrong to me that we have to let speculation about a role Enchant may or may not have take them off the table, especially when there’s no one else I actually could vote for right now and say “yeah that feels right to me”

So you're townreading everyone else?

No

[Harley Quinn]

Feel better HEM.

No on Dwlee. Roden looks bad and I doubt scum match each other.

Dwlee scum for not posting
Titus scum for saying no on Dwlee without quantifying
Ari town
Std prob town but occasional pings

Everyone else I kinda don’t give a fuck since they don’t want to talk and just sat on HEM

Now we have a game I might give a fuck

So Ari is your only solid town read?

Technically HEM still is but I am down to policy him I kinda don’t want to be right there

But yeah

Everyone else to be reads like they don’t want to talk to me so shrug

Lololol, you want to policy your #1 “tr” to save yourself. Math couldn’t be more scummy if he posted his red role pm.

to be fair i did kind of twist his arm to get him to vote for hem >.>

You can’t twist town!Math’s arm ever. He does what he wants and he is the kind of townie that will happily die to either take out scum or save a tr. He is never ever self pres as town only as scum.

well i think i can cuz when we argue most of the time im right ^_^

If town!Math is beyond convinced about a tr, he digs in his heels. He’s only policying HEM to self-pres - which for Math is extremely scum indicative.

[Titus]

@Wallflower then please go person by person and suggest why each slot is a no go.

[implosion]

I like Ari's townblock minus Math. I find some of HQ's points somewhat convincing on him, she isn't just saying Math isn't making sense and therefore is scum.

[Harley Quinn]

I'm kinda just in the mood where we can eliminate anyone who isn't Gamma Roden HQ Bella or myself, maybe Ari because she's townblock adjacent and Tring most of the townblock. Thoughts HQ? I'm kinda reluctant to do HEM due to Math. Enchant gtmh ok. Dwlee not feeling it.

That leaves Wallflower Ausuka implosion and Math.


HQ is totally right on Math meta but this game is unlike any I have seen of him. He usually has reads and then jumps to people aren't listening as opposed to why bother posting when no one will listen.

Dwlee is town because this is clearly not scum theatre. Math has been trying to push Dwlee to save HEM.

I liked Wallflower’s entrance but why tf is she voting Implosion, so idk. I think Ausuka is town and wrong. I’m voting the slot that is pretty much guaranteed to flip scum. Ari is confusing town!Math who actually believes what he’s saying no matter how outlandish with scum!Math who doesn’t believe anything he says. That’s the difference.

Does anyone believe that Math genuinely srs Gamma here when he is playing identically to Koba’s mini normal? Or that he ever policy elims his top tr? Neither of these things are synonymous with town!Math.

[Titus]

Alright, well I guess it's ignoring you when I disagree since you've ruled out a productive conversation because you think I am scum.

I'm not even sure you are but I was hoping to at least talk to you about why you have so much trouble here. If that's not a conversation you're ready for, I guess it's Math can be limmed when I disagree because I don't want to deal.

What about a Math Wallflower team?

The meta point meh. Math hates meta. I can let that go. After all, Math should have a decent idea of my meta if he was that kind of player. He's not.

The policy lim I have a problem with.

[Harley Quinn]

I like Ari's townblock minus Math

. I find some of HQ's points somewhat convincing on him, she isn't just saying Math isn't making sense and therefore is scum.

Town!Math actually believes in what he’s saying: ISO him in White Flag or Koba’s mini normal and it’s also super scummy how he keeps misrepping people’s post. Like he keeps pushing this false narrarive that he’s being sr for being the “bigger prize” and that the only reason for that sr is him tr HEM. It’s the converse. Math is independently scummy irrespective of HEM’s alignment. HEM is only moderately scummy independent of Math but it is Math’s play around HEM that makes me most inclined to think HEM is his buddy.

Math willing to policy HEM doesn’t make HEM town, it’s 100% a self-pres gambit and very likely a distancing one as well.

Also his push on Dwlee makes absolutely no sense, no not even for Math. He clearly doesn’t believe what he’s sayihg,

[Harley Quinn]

Alright, well I guess it's ignoring you when I disagree since you've ruled out a productive conversation because you think I am scum.

I'm not even sure you are but I was hoping to at least talk to you about why you have so much trouble here. If that's not a conversation you're ready for, I guess it's Math can be limmed when I disagree because I don't want to deal.

What about a Math Wallflower team?

The meta point meh. Math hates meta. I can let that go. After all, Math should have a decent idea of my meta if he was that kind of player. He's not.

The policy lim I have a problem with.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Math advocate a pl on anyone. Town!Math doesn’t go from this slot is locktown to I’m policying them.

His reads don’t make any sense and he flips them on a dime without rhyme or reason and that is not something town!Math ever does. He’s extremely consistent in reads and the reasoning behind it.

He’s tr Ari because he’s pocketing her. He sr Ausuka for being “nice” and switched his read on her after she voted Dwlee.

I don’t know about Wallflower yet but definitely Math and probably HEM.

[Titus]

Fair for now. As long as we get the town block together, we're good. It's like we're in our hydra but we get two votes.

[Wallflower]

Everyone else has things about them that give me pause, things about them where I think actually they could be town and maybe I just need more time to see it. I think I’ve talked a lot about this sort of thing, but if there’s anyone you specifically want my thoughts on, let me know.

(Above @titus)

[Gamma Emerald]

i still think flipping mathblade over hem is a very suboptimal play because the odds of scum!mb WKing a town!hem is extraordinarily low. i think he is way overdoing the defense here.

Fair. I am not sure exactly what Math's agenda is. He's still my favorite lim right now though.

Who exactly is your townblock and your scumblock?

townblock is hq titus gamma std mathblade

i think scum are hem enchant

im shaky on implo think he could be third not anywhere near as good feeling tbh

Trade math for Roden and we’re golden