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[gibus]

I should point out that the games clidd mentioned were a lot more fast paced than this one. Not sure if the meta read is very accurate.
I'd much rather elim Elsa over ger if it were up to me.

ok but if not Elsa then where would your vote be atm?

What's your reads on Crescent, George, and Corwinoid?

No idea. GB I guess?
I don't want to sound like I'm white knighting ger, but his vote based on the 2 posts feels rushed and panicky.
It'd make sense for him to divert all that attention asap as scum. Just a feeling though.

[gibus]

That said... I actually can't find a scum/scum motive there. I don't understand what my purpose would be in voting for him only to have him immediately post after because that would serve no value but to make him look worse. It's better just to nudge him into doing something without the theatrics because it gets him scum equity and reflects null on me. It's a net negative.

This gives me strong town vibes

[Vivax]

It's true he has not named anyone else as scummy, but he's also been somewhat engaged. I'm still null on Unowen though - It's nowhere near as bad as players like George.

Somewhat engaged how? The only people with less posts are gibus, GB and NM (and the mod), and almost half (5/13) of his posts including his RVS are engaging with me exclusively. This looks a lot more like someone trying to hide and shade a slot than any actual engagement.

Agreed, Uno hasn't moved their vote since RVS and the shade in [post]307[post] feels like, er, posturing? Or would the right word be rallying.

Like whether or not they should move their vote in case there's any traction.

Do you have a townread on Corwin?

[Alexcellent]

Phone posting
I don’t think Corwin is scum. I think Vivax/Corwin is town/town
I agree with Elsa’s remarks about Crescent
Going to have a proper reread of somethings when I get home but i feel like Goldfish/Unowen are flying under the radar a bit

[UNOwen]

I really want to know what your fascination with me is.

I think you're scum.

[UNOwen]

Agreed, Uno hasn't moved their vote since RVS and the shade in [post]307[post] feels like, er, posturing? Or would the right word be rallying.

Like whether or not they should move their vote in case there's any traction.

Specifically with Elsa she wanted to know my opinion earlier and I told her I suspected Corwin without elaborating. Since she didn't press me further I'm wondering if she just accepted me saying that or if she's actually been following my posts and has an opinion on my opinion.

Which I'm still looking for btw

@Elsa

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[Eiralox]

by order of their supreme fluffiness, tyrant of pillowtown, find herewith attached for your consideration

Spoiler:

#15 Cor enters

#17 Geo enters

#21

Geo votes Goldfish

(Crescent has polite banter with Geo and Cor at this point)

#27 UNOwen votes Cor

#28 Gera enters

#29 Vivax states they get scum feel from Geo's first posts

#30 duck

#35 Gib enters, votes crescent

#37 Gera gives Vivax NP for early scumfeel

#40 Gera says Vivax's reasons are loose, performative

Many went for Gera's throat for this, will be studying who.

#67 Clidd votes Gera on 'performative'

#78 Cor does a non-contributive check-in.

#85 Geo votes Alex for voting Elsa, 'why vote Elsa for curbing low activity?'

#97 Gibus joins Elsa vote (cat)

#116 Gera votes Clidd. later states it's random.

#150 Cor votes Gera. States Gera's read policy, other posts being off.

#153 Cor: Elsa/Alex felt off

#157 Cor says no red flags raised from Clidd

#169 Cor hella sus Not_Mafia

#176 Gera dislikes day ones, explains early votes are for fun.

#179 Gib-Clidd: "Not too sure about this. What exactly isn't meaningful here?" RE: Gera 'performative'.

#183 Geo: "I feel like the people who were voting are scum." Disagrees with Gera RE: D1 reads. Other than Crescent the only one who have found my town slip scummy. Not something i'd mob someone over, town should keep an open mind about such things. it's the ones who take a hard stance on it who i find interesting: Elsa + Alex sees it as green(only Alex gives solid reason), George + Crescent stated it feels off.

#184 Geo amends their statement to "voting people more likely scum"

#188 Gera says nothing much, states they'll barely interact with game D1.

#194: Cor to Alex: "Tell me more about clidd, I'm not seeing it"

#205: Cor "I agree with 199 for the most part. I'm more town on all three than not, but I'm staying open minded."

#229 Gib-Clidd "How is it scummy to suggest a forced read is performative?" RE: Gera performative

#234 Gib-Clidd "Maybe vivax's "performance" is only a chip in a potential pile and not significant by itself?" RE: Gera performative.

#237 Gib-Crsecent: "In his defense, GB didn't really seem like he was forcing a casual entrance to me. The accusation does come off as quite strange." Defense of Gera and GB.

#269: Cor vote NM. "I don't think we need to be quick about this, but I'm find being parked on it if we're going to get more information from the elimination than the player."

#271 Cor sarcasm.

#273 Cor - Crscent --- innocent exchange RE: NM meta.

#291: Cor sks me where i'm going with Crescent. I shrug off question for own reasons, Cor might be defending Cres here but I'm getting more of a green vibe on this post.

#293 Eira-Cor: "how about giving me reads on Gibus, Crescent and UNOwen instead of admiring my fluff?
And if not on Not_Mafia, where would your vote be now?"

Cor never answered.

#301 Cor unvotes NM "Possible VLA, sick"

#304: Big gera post but only game-relevant statement is "i am wondering how much of Clidd's attack on me is based on their emotional reaction to my unexplained random vote on them."

#343 Gib appears after Cres/Eira vote. "I've got nothing new to bring to the table except that the case on ger is flimsy as hell"

#350 Geo pops up. "I'm lurking cause I had an awful sleep last night, I can barely think."

#354 Gib bothered by Elsa greening Clidd

#384 Gera is logical here. Right? idk, but they make sense: voting inactive, having them appear and then immediately unvoting does lessen pressure. RE: Crescent reaction to this, i'm not sure. i'll need to look deeper into it, but t/t distinctly possible.

#393 Cor vote UNOwen. Makes partial sense here, UNOwen stays on vote and has focused a lot on Cor. But not green for Cor---migght be scum Cor striking back at Vivax/UNOwen. Not enough data, further study of UNOwen rec.

#398 Corwin expands on UNOwen after Crsecent soft Defense. Makes more sense here, yes has a valid case. UNo needs to address this. What I want to know tho is why Cor isn't branching out here, only focusing on player who focuses on them? Why not also delve into Gib/George Gera/Crescent analysis? there's much more to work with there imo than only UNOwen. I'm thinking this after Vivax vote. But UNOwen needs to adress their activity levels, both they and Cor are not fully engaged in this imo. i also mentioned way early how OWEN's first posts where only about gibus, soo idk. by feels alone i'd say cor more scummier of the two, but as stated before, don't quite trust my instincts.

#399

WHERE AM I? WHAT AM I?

#400 Geo votes Gera. i don;t see enough for a vote here. gera stated their disengagement from D1, random lynches on D1 are par of the course at the point when they made it imo.

Geo prods Gib for expansion on Elsa vote.

#401 geo meta-retro

#402 Geo agrees wholeheartedly with Cor. doesn't asks any questions tho, doesn't expand a line of inquiry.

#403 Geo i don't get much from this

#404 Geo Goldfish seems genuinely uncertain here. Geo going to town on this is a nothing burger.

#405 Geo 100% true. I don't give a flying fuck about games i weren't in. Not going to waste time on it, ever, esp. when one single game is already a timesink.

#406 Geo Ok so u got nothing else to add after reading through entire thread. nothingburger.

#414 Gib explains vote. mirrors my and Alex's scumfeel on Elsa early on, sticks with it.

#415 Gib Neither Elsa nor Ger for me. Elsa vs. Ger... sheesh, hard. Maybe Elsa? Gera is 100% null to me at this point. Elsa... eh, i only have a feeling.

#425 Gib states vote would prob be on GB instead of Elsa. "I don't want to sound like I'm white knighting ger, but his vote based on the 2 posts feels rushed and panicky. " hmmm i can see this.

#426 Gib hmmmmmmmm

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

I can see Clidd/Crescent/GeorgeBailey scum team.

to a lesser extent Clidd/Crescent/Elsa, then distinct last runner Clidd/Crescent/UNOwen. Clidd/Crescent/Gib crossed my mind but... some things point away from it despite Crescent/Gib dynamic. Cor/Goldfish/Other can be third but meh. Pretty much from Elsa on it's mostly speculative, C/C/GB makes way more sense.


Here i note that Clidd is null to me atm, need to analyze them more so this is snot a scumread but a logical team-up based on the thread and esp. recent events.
I don't think Clidd/Crescent reasons for mobbing Gera are wholly valid. Crescent grouped Gibus, Gera and George together, named them scum. Stated they were only ones to defend one another.

Thing is: George never defended either of them. What I mostly see is Gibus defending Gera, and Gibus once stating that they feel George's entrance was staged.

[Vivax]

From a cursory ISO:

I think Elsa fell off a cliff too much for my taste which is in contrast to earlier activity.
Picking gibus and N_M as scum also looks baddish, they are in my launch-bait category, and Elsa didn't really look like they were putting in much effort after that list.
The whole Corwin/GB notion seems to fly by Elsa.

[Eiralox]

sorry correction #4321 last line "and Gibus once stating that they feel George's entrance

wasn't

staged.

[geraintm]

Oh and you're welcome, everyone. I just got a scum to effectively out himself with my "useless" vote.

i have zero idea why you think i have outed myself.
i thought your vote was pointless, because i dont think the reaction you got from it was worthwhile. you hadnt generated pressure, you just seem to think because they posed after your vote the two things are related

Ok idk if you are scum or not but crescent, you're constant talk about meta from previous games is pinging me. It's not overly helpful for people who haven't played in those games, and especially the meta analysis of georgebailey as vanya, talking about the "vibes bening off" seems pretty useless, it's a well know fact that people change around their playstyle and attitude between games, ESPECIALLY if they are using an alt account or the game is anonymous, which it sounds like this one was.

Most of the meta analysis you've posted seems to be talking about things that are nai. So please only do it if it's genuinely very relevant, because it's making it hard for me to follow the game.

agree with this ^^^

While i disagree with Alex's read on Elsa, I think his defense comes from a townie perspective.

VOTE: Geraintm

Geraint is my best bet for scum, he's been suggesting anti-town behavior and is actively doing anti-town things. Like:

my vote for clidd was purely random

and

We have less than 3 days left and an 8-way vote split. This is a

nightmare scenario

for town. We have virtually no control over who gets voted off like this and no way of actually pressuring anyone.

I said this immediately when I saw how split the vote is. If you're town and not alarmed by that vote spread that's a you problem.

It doesnt matter who scum is. They've loved how this day has progressed so far. This goes double if NM is town.

then lets just no vote, that surely has to be better than what you are expecting to happen

Literally voting at random is better than a no-vote. No-votes give us absolutely no information.


@Geraintm: gun to head, who would you eliminate right now?

ok, i have no idea why this game i am getting so much flack for things i do every other game.

this is my first post

Hello all. Think I've played with a bunch of you, so that's good.

This is the 28th post I think

note the number 28 for those who need to pay attention.
and go back and check every other game i play where i mention a number in my first post.

The rest of the discussion that goes on didn't suggest much in the AI ​​sense. Feels like almost everyone who posted so far is literally dancing in null variations tbh.

I need to read more to be able to infer something more expressive, which implies the need for more posts, interactions and etc.

VOTE: clidd

this is me quoting post 56 and voting for it. 56=28+28.
my random vote is really that simple.
i then have (what i consider) a bit of fun when people get confused about my random vote

like this

The rest of the discussion that goes on didn't suggest much in the AI ​​sense. Feels like almost everyone who posted so far is literally dancing in null variations tbh.

I need to read more to be able to infer something more expressive, which implies the need for more posts, interactions and etc.

VOTE: clidd

Whats wrong with that post? I thought it made sense.

Well, you would....



I'm going to have fun with this

but for some reason, even when i say that my vote was purely random, people are still upset for doing untown things like voting randomly in the exact same way i have every other game.

and me argueing for no vote day 1.
i could go back and find me doing it in a bunch of other games because it is something i have argued for many times - but i know people hate it so i stopped doing it pretty much. but in post 329 i brouht it up because it did honestly seem better that what Crescent was predicting.

to use these two posts as a reason to think me scum is just....awful
i have responded now to these and i am not going to bother any more because it is pointless. you do you.

who would i eliminate - not mafia. i cannot read them in any game i play with them, they require a night action from someone to solve in my opinion and i would prefer it if we didnt have to do that.
the people pressuring me, i aint fan of any of you either, but i am used to it in games and i think at the moment i'd rather keep you around because when on day 2 or 3 people come for me again with their piss poor reasons it will be obvious i am being pushed as a mis-elimination.

but i have no strong opinions on who should be voted off.
i think next game i am going to go back to my "vote the biggest wagon" plan, just to get to day 2 quicker because i am not enjoying today

I usually joke around in Mafia games, and especially during RVS.

when i have fun, you take it to be scum behaviour

VOTE: George Bailey

posts like this i just shrug at

"#384 Gera is logical here. Right? idk, but they make sense: voting inactive, having them appear and then immediately unvoting does lessen pressure. RE: Crescent reaction to this, i'm not sure. i'll need to look deeper into it, but t/t distinctly possible."

^^^^ this was from eiralox
so i am pleased that someone else thinks my logic with Crescent makes sense

[Elsa Jay]

Agreed, Uno hasn't moved their vote since RVS and the shade in [post]307[post] feels like, er, posturing? Or would the right word be rallying.

Like whether or not they should move their vote in case there's any traction.

Specifically with Elsa she wanted to know my opinion earlier and I told her I suspected Corwin without elaborating. Since she didn't press me further I'm wondering if she just accepted me saying that or if she's actually been following my posts and has an opinion on my opinion.

Which I'm still looking for btw

@Elsa

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Re-reading your ISO again kinda had the opposite effect of what you wanted and now your on my lower end while reading Corwin moved him up. Like... Sometimes I get sticking to the first vote but tunneling so hard day 1? Nah.

From a cursory ISO:

I think Elsa fell off a cliff too much for my taste which is in contrast to earlier activity.
Picking gibus and N_M as scum also looks baddish, they are in my launch-bait category, and Elsa didn't really look like they were putting in much effort after that list.
The whole Corwin/GB notion seems to fly by Elsa.

I put those 2 in a separate category from the people I actually thought were scummy/needed more content for a reason. Those were the acceptable policy ones.

My activity fell off a cliff for OOG work reasons. I started the game on my vacation so now I'm back to a normal busy time. Will be at work again today like I said yesterday but I am paying attention still.

Remaking my list now.

Townist:
Eiralox (definitely way better the before)
Vivax (seems to care enough about town to look into everything)
Alex (felt townie when fighting me)
Clidd (most gut but I think I played with them 2 years ago? Just feels good)

Null:
Crescent (down from before but definitely not killing today)
Corwin (Middle of the pack now so way better)
George (townier then the 3 below)
Goldfish (feels just... Like I haven't actually noticed a game changing post and feels like a wallflower))

Scummy:
Gera (don't know but they haven't rung townie immediately to me either so I'll trust the majority.)
Owen (hasn't responded well to anything really. Too obsessed)

Wouldn't care if dead but not for being evil. Just apathetic to it:
NotMaf (he is who he is)
Gibus (the guy I feel we should compromise on if we don't have a conclusion like my original plan stated)

That's my list. The big 3 I wanna focus on day 2 will probably be what's up with Goldfish Alex or Cres. Getting the alignment of those 3 solved will definitely help us solve whatever partners we can find.

Town investigative would be good on one of those 3 or maybe me/Eira. Checking a lower tier slot feels like a waste so definitely one of us 5.

[Eiralox]

Gera (don't know but they haven't rung townie immediately to me either so I'll trust the majority.)

the majority being CLidd, Crescent, and George? Only one of which are in your green pile? You have no input on Crescent/Geraintm?

[Eiralox]

I'm placing Clidd/Elsa/George alongside Clidd/Crescent/George on the probability vector.

[Elsa Jay]

I'd rather find scum and have a flip, THEN worry about teams. Those are individual actions done to effect the game.

[Eiralox]

nothing burger. seeing as Crescent was at least anti-george despite gibus-vote shenanigans, I'm now feel more sure about CLidd/Elsa/George than Clidd/Crescent/George.

[Alexcellent]

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

@Unowen, can you expand on your Corwin read? I'm not getting it

[Eiralox]

I'd rather find scum and have a flip, THEN worry about teams. Those are individual actions done to effect the game.

and you having George way way above Gibus raises all kinda red flags to me.

[GeorgeBailey]

@George, what do you think of Crescent's voting?

Her vote on Gibus or just in general?

I'd think her lack of voting would be scummy if I didn't know it was her playstyle (I'm vehemently the opposite. I always like to keep my vote on someone, and I only ever unvote to prevent a hammer/ if I have no scum reads).

She's done this before as town, I know you kinda hate meta but it helps a lot with behavior that seems strange.

The vote on Gibus was also pretty warranted. Gibus even started posting right after the vote. Whether or not it was a coincidence, it helped.

My problem with Gera is anti-town =/= scum. Only thing of his that feels very gross is his mention of a no elimination today.

It doesn't directly correlate, but scum thrives on anti-town behavior. I think Gera's response was interesting, which I'll reply to in a little bit, but i still think it was worth voting over.

VOTE: George Bailey

I should point out that the games clidd mentioned were a lot more fast paced than this one. Not sure if the meta read is very accurate.
I'd much rather elim Elsa over ger if it were up to me.

ok but if not Elsa then where would your vote be atm?

What's your reads on Crescent, George, and Corwinoid?

No idea. GB I guess?
I don't want to sound like I'm white knighting ger, but his vote based on the 2 posts feels rushed and panicky.
It'd make sense for him to divert all that attention asap as scum. Just a feeling though.

I think this is a really interesting post. Gibus was asked to gives reads but instead gave a scum read like those were the only three to choose from. Gibus has been acting pretty Survalistic recently and this the worst offender.

Also, all the "attention on me" was because I was absent, if I wanted to really divert attention I would have cased someone even more absent. I also love starting my catch up posts with a vote. So idk.

It's true he has not named anyone else as scummy, but he's also been somewhat engaged. I'm still null on Unowen though - It's nowhere near as bad as players like George.

Somewhat engaged how? The only people with less posts are gibus, GB and NM (and the mod), and almost half (5/13) of his posts including his RVS are engaging with me exclusively. This looks a lot more like someone trying to hide and shade a slot than any actual engagement.

Agreed, Uno hasn't moved their vote since RVS and the shade in [post]307[post] feels like, er, posturing? Or would the right word be rallying.

Like whether or not they should move their vote in case there's any traction.

Do you have a townread on Corwin?

No, but I don't have a scumread either.

I don't think his recent callout on UnOwen was scummy, I think it's pretty fair to call out someone for tunneling when they have very little expansion on their read.

[Crescent]

And NM has... 1 post while I've been gone.

And it's... A vote. Interesting. On George, whose posts doubled and included a good vote on Gera. I also find it interesting that Gera had plenty of chances to point out right away that I did similar with my vote before (like GB did), but instead ignored the conversation entirely and shaded my play instead with no further contributions. The complete lack of actually responding to the conversation and picking at the easiest point to mock is tremendous scum equity, and I see he did nothing to fix this and just.. Dismissed me later. He basically ignored 150-200 posts of gameplay.

GB's explanation for his behavior is exactly why I hate people playing on alts, by the way.

Anyways without reading the posts of anyone but those three, Gera is still a high probability scum can we kill it so mafia can shoot me tonight?

I have no idea what votals are now. Suppose with those ISOs out of the way I'll drag myself back into the meat of it.

[Crescent]

Oh it was only like... 32 other posts to read. Of course.

17 hours... And almost nothing of substance... And of course more posts of people whining about me wanting them to put actual work into a mafia game.

Scum's going to win this game - This town is too lazy to do anything but end up in coinflips.

Seriously please shoot me tonight. Please. If you don't shoot me tonight, the disdain I feel for this sad sack of a town will be focused squarely on you guys instead.

[UNOwen]

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

@Unowen, can you expand on your Corwin read? I'm not getting it

The initial vote was because I thought 24 was a little awkward, but it's mainly his posts since about you/Elsa that look phoney. My impression is that he's gone backwards, asking a fairly pointless question of Elsa, then shading the exchange between you, then coming with an elaboration on his thoughts but retracting it because the whole thing is arbitrary. 194 reads to me almost like an apology for raising it in the first place.

Spoiler:

I think part of it is the pronoun "her" in 79 threw me for a bit because I dropped the context for it, so I thought you were referring to Elsa. George was right that your vote seems oddly placed there. And then she signs off with the OMGUS/"Riddle that vote" post, which goes from 74 that seemed like a mellow promoting activity and avoiding division to 87 a couple of hours later where she's looking for a fight.

I think it's making a mountain out of a mole hill though, I think her progression is more organic than I thought, and I think I misread or was confused by your posts starting the exchange because of the context change.

1) he's saying he didn't like your vote because he agrees with George's 85 but that it also might be because he got confused by another post of yours.
2) notes Elsa's progression as though it's a jarring but that you voted her in a pretty accusatory way in between these posts which to me is a pretty obvious explainer for why she would change her perspective.
3) again, the question of whether Elsa considers herself a strong personality seems completely irrelevant to whatever issues he had with that exchange. Supposedly if she'd answered "No." then that would be suggest she was pretending but I don't see how at all. Is someone who doesn't consider themselves a strong personality not supposed to react to votes against them? If the idea was that Elsa faked her reaction to Alex, the intuitive way to press this is by asking her about her vote on Alex.

[Crescent]

I knew it was a mistake to read the rest of the posts, too. All it did was sour me back up.

40 hours left in the day I see. Then hopefully the sweet release of death.

[Eiralox]

Oh it was only like... 32 other posts to read. Of course.

17 hours... And almost nothing of substance... And of course more posts of people whining about me wanting them to put actual work into a mafia game.

Scum's going to win this game - This town is too lazy to do anything but end up in coinflips.

Seriously please shoot me tonight. Please. If you don't shoot me tonight, the disdain I feel for this sad sack of a town will be focused squarely on you guys instead.

huh you really like making friends. i don't see George's reason for voting for Gera as substantive at all. might be town confirmation bias from your side. I'm feeling you're way too eager to green George at this point after earlier throwing shade on them. we'll see.

[Crescent]

Oh it was only like... 32 other posts to read. Of course.

17 hours... And almost nothing of substance... And of course more posts of people whining about me wanting them to put actual work into a mafia game.

Scum's going to win this game - This town is too lazy to do anything but end up in coinflips.

Seriously please shoot me tonight. Please. If you don't shoot me tonight, the disdain I feel for this sad sack of a town will be focused squarely on you guys instead.

huh you really like making friends. i don't see George's reason for voting for Gera as substantive at all. might be town confirmation bias from your side. I'm feeling you're way too eager to green George at this point after earlier throwing shade on them. we'll see.

Either stop tunneling me and actually do something else or actually try to get me voted off.

I don't care which.

[Crescent]

Oh it was only like... 32 other posts to read. Of course.

17 hours... And almost nothing of substance... And of course more posts of people whining about me wanting them to put actual work into a mafia game.

Scum's going to win this game - This town is too lazy to do anything but end up in coinflips.

Seriously please shoot me tonight. Please. If you don't shoot me tonight, the disdain I feel for this sad sack of a town will be focused squarely on you guys instead.

huh you really like making friends. i don't see George's reason for voting for Gera as substantive at all. might be town confirmation bias from your side. I'm feeling you're way too eager to green George at this point after earlier throwing shade on them. we'll see.

Either stop tunneling me and actually do something else or actually try to get me voted off.

I don't care which.