Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[implosion]

i have absolutely no idea how timergate is becoming a thing but i'm here for it.

Let's go down a time (hah) line of events.

We have over 3 days left. Just want to point that out bc I think someone thought the timer math posted is deadline. It isn’t.

June the tenth, approximately 9 AM Pacific Daylight Time. I say "I think someone thought the timer math posted is deadline". When Math is confused at who I mean, I say I can't explain and I'll be on in an hour or two.

MathBlade seemingly decides that I am Lying Scum on an unholy crusade against time, and proceeds to spend that "an hour or two" decrying me as scum, misrepping my saying I might have misinterpreted someone (which implies it's an accident) as saying I might have misrepped them (which implies intention), confused why people aren't "shitting all over me" in the

literal 45 minutes and less than ten posts

since my post.

Harley Quinn very reasonably points out that this sort of thing is the sort of thing that it's best to hear an explanation from the person who said (and also of course, points out correctly that there's no scum motivation for me lying about this).

MathBlade calls my post "verifiably false" and then i explain why it's verifiably true 20 minutes later.

[implosion]

Nope, I wasn't misinterpreting/misremembering at all. I'm right.

Noone seems interested in my scum reads and I don't think will be until we've flipped some or the more controversial slots.

We have like a day and a half left

and I just want to be done with today.

Only explanation is that Bellaphant thought Math's timer was the deadline.

This was also shortly followed by Wallflower implying she thought we were pretty low on time but she had enough time to "sleep on it" so I think she might have misinterpreted it too.

(and no this wasn't intended to be an attack on math, just a clarification...)

Yeah so like I thought a mistake right?

Yes,

bella

made a mistake, and while I was reading I assumed she made this mistake because she saw MathBlade posting a timer in thread with basically no context and assumed that timer was the deadline. Hence, I clarified to her that we have 3 days left.

[implosion]

Wait say what?

You’re saying you’re right in that someone brought up my timer

Then immediately contradict yourself and say the only explanation is Bellaphant thought my timer was the deadline when she didn’t even talk about it?

Cmon man.

Why else would she say there was a day and a half left in the deadline?

[implosion]

(She can answer this herself but i mean, surely you can see where i'm coming from - I mean, at the time she made her post, your timer would have been at somethiing like 1 day and 17 or 18 hours)

[MathBlade]

If I get hammered my final guess is Implosion HQ Dwlee

Why am I not scum?

Also, getting you links Bella.

Two town games showing my range and a game showing scum frustration and compromise.

And why am I @Math?

Because you’re defending implosion

[MathBlade]

You’re having shit meta on me

I know you use aggression and emotion to get people on your side

This is scum you

[implosion]

He then said Bella said she talked about my timer
Which is like not true?

I literally never said "Bella said she talked about the timer". Nor that Bella talked about the timer herself. I said "I think someone thought the timer math posted is deadline" because someone had said they thought deadline was roughly the amount of time listed on your timer.

[implosion]

I know I'm repeating myself but I just feel argh.

I would love to hear more engagement from Ausuka, hopefully RL lets up on you. I think HEM being so disinterested in their own death could theoretically make sense with them as VT who claimed VT but also makes plenty of sense in an SvS world. I HQ's maybe implied point that it makes less sense in a world where HEM is scum and Math is town, I guess.

[Harley Quinn]

Bella

Titus Town without Math with changed frustration levels (but I still blow up as town from time to time) - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89120

Scum me v Math town - Shows both of us frustrated, will go into more detail upon request

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88987


Battle for Calcusia is a game with scum Math and town me

There was also a game that became follow the copish where I was town and he was scum, but I can't remember what it was.

Can you link that last one?

[implosion]

Right now in principal I think HEM and Math are both fine flips. I think HEM is a bit better for a few reasons: I think he's a bit scummier on face, I still see some of the points toward Math town as somewhat persuasive (I see points in both directions on Math persuasive, though I am trending toward him being scum over time at this point) and HEM has already claimed.

[MathBlade]

Oh I misread

I still think implosion is scum though

Just not airtight

[Harley Quinn]

If I get hammered my final guess is Implosion HQ Dwlee

Why am I not scum?

Also, getting you links Bella.

Two town games showing my range and a game showing scum frustration and compromise.

And why am I @Math?

Because you’re defending implosion

I already told you I was in a game where that happened and it was an honest mistake. You’re the one NOT reading my posts, not the other way around.

[Ausuka]

HEM, when you get the chance I'd like a better idea of your reads, especially on Mathblade. Would you still "die by" the townread there?

Also do you actually think Ari is scum? Your posting sounds like it but I don't get the impression that you really believe that.

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Out of everyone here, implosion's play feels the most constructed. Every post feels like it's careful to not rock any boats too much, but when you really think about it there's nothing actually that town about implosion. I was first concerned when in Post 158 he dismissed Ausuka's suspicion of him (which I actually vibed quite a bit with when reading through) as "weird", which I know might seem like a trivial thing, but I think it's a pattern of how scum dismiss suspicion on them. A way of appearing not too bothered, not too defensive, whilst subtly discrediting the push on them. Because I don't think there was anytihng weird about Ausuka's posting at all.

I've already mentioned the shift from being "fine" with a HEM wagon but thinking about other options -> being enthusiastic about HEM scum and having more solidified reasons. Again implosion's explanation for this is logical, but the progression was really dissonant with my thought processes when reading the game. While HEM was posting I was feeling more suspicious of them, but then with the V/LA and explanation of their hospitalisation etc. it made their posting and pattern of posting make a bit more sense for me. I don't believe that town become MORE suspicious of someone for not posting reads AFTER finding out that they're actually V/LA due to being in hospital.

The other thing that has concerned me is the interaction with MathBlade. A lot of the response posts and questions from implo to Mathblade do not strike me as actually trying to sort mathblade, and seem more like trying to make Mathblade look bad (and again, very dissonant with the claimed "I can't read Mathblade, I'll let others sort him" approach.

I'm not sure if I agree with the implo read? (In the sense I would need to iso implosion to fully work out if I agreed with it, although I will say that since hem was absent at the time, I would expect implosion's real time thinking about the game, probably involving isoing hem for reads a few times, to differ from Wallflower's thinking doing a catch-up?) but I think this feels genuine from wallflower

[Harley Quinn]

You’re having shit meta on me

I know you use aggression and emotion to get people on your side

This is scum you

You can bs scumread me all you like. Like I said, you can’t intimidate me here. And if I was actually scum here, that obviously wouldn’t be the case.

[MathBlade]

You’re having shit meta on me

I know you use aggression and emotion to get people on your side

This is scum you

You can bs scumread me all you like. Like I said, you can’t intimidate me here. And if I was actually scum here, that obviously wouldn’t be the case.

Again I am not aiming to intimidate you it will be to convince others.

[Save The Dragons]

I truly have tried to get an understanding of the math scumread and it still seems to boil down to what I said here?

my understanding is that the main reason this matches Math-scum is the giving up on saving HEM rather than just continuing to push the townread, right? I am concerned by that too, but given the state of the game and especially HEM not even posting at the time, I can see a world where math truly feels that way.

HQ is there something I'm missing?

you didn't find my case appealing?

I'm getting so much red energy from mathblade

Imagine a tsunami of power emanating from the Greek symbol pi as a giant red wave and I'm holding up a trashcan lid trying to block it but the wave of scum energy is overpowering and I am swept away in its currents watching everyone go by nooooo help me

It's kinda like that

As the red wave of doom tries to envelop me in darkness I jump up into my starship and press shields to maximum power as I launch myself towards a giant red planet with a pi symbol on it pew pew pew

i just feel like a giant pi symbol is painted on a cloud that is blocking out the sun and covering the land in darkness that is ravaging the land and bringing suffering to all but in the final hour of glory my bracelet turns into a shining sword a beacon of light and on magic wings i fly up to the cloud and pierce it in twain destroying the darkness

god i'm so tunneled right now maybe i should reconsider

[Harley Quinn]

I know I'm repeating myself but I just feel argh.

I would love to hear more engagement from Ausuka, hopefully RL lets up on you. I think HEM being so disinterested in their own death could theoretically make sense with them as VT who claimed VT but also makes plenty of sense in an SvS world. I HQ's maybe implied point that it makes less sense in a world where HEM is scum and Math is town, I guess.

Yeah exactly. that scenario makes the least amount of sense of the three unless HEM is literally faking that disinterest and it doesn’t look like it to me.

Scenario 1: TVT: not likely because town!HEM is okay with being miselimmed.

Scenario 2: Scum!Math vs. town!HEM, possible but see 1, so essentially same.

Scenario 3: Town!Math vs. scum!HEM. Why is scum!HEM okay with dying here if Math is town?

[Harley Quinn]

I know I'm repeating myself but I just feel argh.

I would love to hear more engagement from Ausuka, hopefully RL lets up on you. I think HEM being so disinterested in their own death could theoretically make sense with them as VT who claimed VT but also makes plenty of sense in an SvS world. I HQ's maybe implied point that it makes less sense in a world where HEM is scum and Math is town, I guess.

Yeah exactly. that scenario makes the least amount of sense of the three unless HEM is literally faking that disinterest and it doesn’t look like it to me.

Scenario 1: TVT: not likely because town!HEM is okay with being miselimmed.

Scenario 2: Scum!Math vs. town!HEM, possible but see 1, so essentially same.

Scenario 3: Town!Math vs. scum!HEM. Why is scum!HEM okay with dying here if Math is town?

Forgot Scenario 4: SvS: actually would make the most sense out of the 4, where as 3 makes the least.

[Harley Quinn]

You’re having shit meta on me

I know you use aggression and emotion to get people on your side

This is scum you

You can bs scumread me all you like. Like I said, you can’t intimidate me here. And if I was actually scum here, that obviously wouldn’t be the case.

Again I am not aiming to intimidate you it will be to convince others.

You can’t since I know I’m town so you can’t but I wish you luck because it won’t happen.

[Harley Quinn]

@Math you can’t miselim town!me and I think you already know that.

[Harley Quinn]

I know I'm repeating myself but I just feel argh.

I would love to hear more engagement from Ausuka, hopefully RL lets up on you. I think HEM being so disinterested in their own death could theoretically make sense with them as VT who claimed VT but also makes plenty of sense in an SvS world. I HQ's maybe implied point that it makes less sense in a world where HEM is scum and Math is town, I guess.

Yeah exactly. that scenario makes the least amount of sense of the three unless HEM is literally faking that disinterest and it doesn’t look like it to me.

Scenario 1: TVT: not likely because town!HEM is okay with being miselimmed.

Scenario 2: Scum!Math vs. town!HEM, possible but see 1, so essentially same.

Scenario 3: Town!Math vs. scum!HEM. Why is scum!HEM okay with dying here if Math is town?

Forgot Scenario 4: SvS: actually would make the most sense out of the 4, where as 3 makes the least.

What are people’s thoughts on this?

[Save The Dragons]

If I get hammered my final guess is Implosion HQ Dwlee

nah

[MathBlade]

Yeah.

SVT or TvT where I am the T but I doubt you want my thoughts HQ.

[MathBlade]

I truly have tried to get an understanding of the math scumread and it still seems to boil down to what I said here?

my understanding is that the main reason this matches Math-scum is the giving up on saving HEM rather than just continuing to push the townread, right? I am concerned by that too, but given the state of the game and especially HEM not even posting at the time, I can see a world where math truly feels that way.

HQ is there something I'm missing?

you didn't find my case appealing?

I'm getting so much red energy from mathblade

Imagine a tsunami of power emanating from the Greek symbol pi as a giant red wave and I'm holding up a trashcan lid trying to block it but the wave of scum energy is overpowering and I am swept away in its currents watching everyone go by nooooo help me

It's kinda like that

As the red wave of doom tries to envelop me in darkness I jump up into my starship and press shields to maximum power as I launch myself towards a giant red planet with a pi symbol on it pew pew pew

i just feel like a giant pi symbol is painted on a cloud that is blocking out the sun and covering the land in darkness that is ravaging the land and bringing suffering to all but in the final hour of glory my bracelet turns into a shining sword a beacon of light and on magic wings i fly up to the cloud and pierce it in twain destroying the darkness

god i'm so tunneled right now maybe i should reconsider

I think you should but I know you’re wrong. I would say Point your dragons around a bit. Sniff around a bit more

[Save The Dragons]

ok i'll bite

why do you think you're obvtown when there's like 5 people railing on you for being scummy

what am i personally missing here to read you "correctly"