Oh thank God. I've wanted out of this game for a while and I meant what I said that one of BlueBlood or myself needs to be flipped today, if for nothing else than the vast wealth of information that either flip would provide. Can't really afford to do that in eLo. I'll just go through a few things for everyone that stood out to me, and the rest I didn't feel was important. Not that you need it, but you have my permission to quick-hammer. This game has been the drizzling-shits and there's several people in the playerlist that have been completely insufferable. In case it weren't painfully obvious since Day 1, I'm a vanilla townie.
-BlueBlood: Flip this slot tomorrow after I flip green. This shouldn't even be debatable after all of the flipped town wagons he's been on and pushed, every conversation that he has derailed between other people and tried to shut down the flow of information, quick-hammering the cop with 5 days left in Day 1, the so-far two confirmed dead townies (and soon to be 3) that have massively scum-read him and are coincidentally the first 3 people in the game to die, trying to eliminate a replace-in literally 7 posts after they joined just days after the start of the game, and the list goes on and on and on.
Yes, it's still a quick hammer. Just because you claimed intent and let that ride for maybe an hour, and literally hammered Vasex in a reactionary manner in literally the same minute that he said "f u" to you, it's still a quick-hammer. I was away for most of the weekend for reasons I had explained, and we had just had a player replace in what like...24 hours ago? Maybe less? I don't even remember. If NewD3 had a vigilante, I would have shot this slot, no questions asked on Night 1, and even if he flipped town, proudly claimed the shot at the start of Day 2. Town STILL probably would have been better off. If this slot is town, it has been by far the most disruptive, destructive, and anti-town player in the game, and no one on town who votes him out on Day 3 and loses in eLo should feel even remotely bad about the decision if this is somehow green. I said it before and I'll say it again: If this slot is green, we were completely and utterly fucked the second he replaced in.
Bella: Don't know what kind of response you were looking for from those 3 bizarre posts back after my large post in 919. The only question I saw in it was asking if I thought you miscounting a vote was faked, which isn't something I ever brought up? (I think someone else did, but again, this isn't important to me). Other than that, I don't see any questions there, so I don't know what you were anxiously waiting for a response to. I just saw a lot of this, so I didn't really take any of it seriously:
In post 771, Vasex wrote:
bella is strange... she was participating in two E-1s, she could stop it, but she didn't. and
she plays at that moments almost like a victim, i dont know... if bella has much experience in mafia, i'am scumreading this slot a bit
With that said, I'm kind of forced to be brutally honest here. And it's somewhere in which I would have preferred not to venture, but at this point, fuck it:
While I wasn't town-reading you on Day 1, I was hesitant to scum-read you. I just got done spectating a game where you were carried as town. Until the mafia flip at the end of Day 3, you were my biggest scum-read in that game. The tone just feels really off and faked to me a lot of the time, but that may very well just be personality. Fine. I can accept that. In that game, your end of day vote accuracy was 0/4, and it's presumably about to be 0/2 in this game.
Day 1: Town elimination wagon. Bella is the 3rd vote out of 5
Day 2: Town elimination wagon. Bella is the 2nd vote out of 5 (night-kills were blocked Nights 1 and 2, in case you're curious about these numbers)
Day 3: Mafia elimination wagon. Bella is not voting.
Day 4: Ended with mafia conceding. However, with 5 still alive, there was 1 mechanically cleared town player, Bella, two other townies (including one who was the most obvious townie to ever town), and the person I had been correctly scum-reading since Day 2 from the spectator thread. Bella votes the two townies during Day 4 and twice in a matter of days, mistakenly thinks that they're in eLo when it's 4 town vs. 1 mafia.
So like...I was kind of ok with accepting in this game that you were just a clueless townie. And part of me is now cycling back to that. If I were here for Day 3, I don't think you'd' get my vote now. In eLo though? Pretty good chance, depending on whoever else is there. Your naked vote on Corwin in 871 exactly 10 minutes after BlueBlood puts him at E-2 with no further comment looks really bad, and I don't know if it's bad town or bad mafia. I'm probably the only one that is seeing it this way, but it almost screamed to me, "Please, no one notice that I'm doing this." If you're town in this game, it feels like you're more concerned with working with a player that you played in a game with years ago than you are of actually solving the game. Some of your interactions together feel a lot like theater, but I've thought that about a few other pairings in this game so I dunno.
Two nights ago, I spent some time looking for the scum-game where you two were together and I couldn't find. I don't see any reason that you'd lie about this, so providing this for Day 3 could potentially be of at least a little bit of help.
Rad: I'm kind of back to this slot having a pretty decent chance of being scum. I thought his early Day 2 stuff was good. The progression over the last couple of day or day and a half feels really unnatural. He was questioning BlueBlood a lot in Day 2 and it never really went anywhere and they feel like softballs with no follow-through. 924 feels slimey. His assessment of my "gambit" that a couple of people really despise is accurate, but if he's scum, he'd know I'm not bluffing anyway so like...cool, I guess? Again, 951 feels really fake. So does 952. It's possible that he really is in full lap-dog mode, but pocketing like this is pretty extreme, whether by town or mafia. His vote on BlueBlood back on June 3rd in post 155 lasted 8 hours, and he's since followed him every step of the way. Rad and Bella are never a team in this game. He even says, "I'll unvote because no one seems to be sold on Bella scum even with my writeup on HIM." Possible he doesn't really know his partner very well by that point, but I don't think this is ever the team, even if you want to make the argument that Scum!Rad's vote on Bella earlier in Day 2 was safe because Bella was unlikely the elimination Day 2. Wasn't part of the Spartan wagon or ever voted for him, so there's that, at least. Was on the Vasex wagon and is about to be on both town mis-lim wagons in this game.
The drunken freakout last Sunday is still weird to me. Even if you don't give any credence to Vasex's theory about a private thread slip, the response reeks of, "You're catching me for the wrong reason though!". This part of it was always weird to me though: "BBT made a tech error clicking the wrong thing on his phone. You'll see at end of game that's what happened XD". Like...how do you know? How do you know there's not a slip and that he's talking to someone else? Why is your first reaction to be, "Trust me, I already know that that's what happened." Is this supposed to be a concealed, "You'll see that I'm actually partnered with someone else"? Doubt it, but your whole reaction and drunken tantrum afterwards is gross, and it's the kind of freakout you expect to see from someone who hasn't played as scum a lot and doesn't know what to do when they're accused of something. The whole thing is just gross and immature. What happened to blindly sheeping Whiskey? That didn't last.
If I were cop in this game, I would have investigated Rad or Whiskey Night 1. Of course, we had a cop, but he was quick-hammered Day 1.
Whiskey: Other than a vibe that this could potentially be the scum that no one is seeing because town has been making mafia's job super easy, I don't really have much to say here. Like I said, I would have investigated this slot or Rad Night 1 if I were cop. He has a plausible out to unvote for fear of another idiot quick-hammer, unfortunately. Otherwise, it would look a bit more suspicious. He did put BloodBlood at E-1 though, even though it didn't last very long.
Corwin: This slot has been scum-read by a lot of the playerlist. Honesty, I had him as a solid null for the like...24 hours we had him for on Day 1. The mixup of Somnus/Spartan looks genuinely stupid. I'm more inclined to think he just doesn't know what's going on in this game. However, he's about to be on both town mis-lim wagons, so there's that. Probably an easy mis-lim target to seal the game if he's town. Other than that, I don't know. Your guess is as good as mine. Only reason I've town-read him in this game was because of the seemingly coordinated wagon to get him out of the game ASAP extremely early in Day 2. And there's BlueBlood, Rad, and Bella again, right on queue. At least one of you is having an absolutely horrific game as town, if not two of you.
Cheapside: I agree with about half of what Cheapside posts. I'm kind of torn. All of the "BUT WHAT ABOUT CHEAP? HE LOOKS JUST AS BAD AS ME!" from BlueBlood and Bella, I don't think either of them have actually voted here today? Has Cheapside been voted on at all in Day 2? He doesn't post very often, so he's often pretty forgettable. Not going to bother to check. So that's weird. But it still does feel more likely that the Day 2 elimination plan was Somnus, then it shifted to Corwin while putting feelers out for Cheapside, then Corwin opened the floodgates and voted for the person he listed as his top town-read Day 1. I'm not voting Cheapside Day 3 if I'm in this game. Not saying this is lock-town (no one has had a particularly townie game, unfortunately, and we now know that several townies have very quickly jumped on any town elimination wagon as long as it wasn't themselves), but this slot and Corwin still seem like they're being setup to be the eLo vote. But again, the lack of votes towards this slot by the people scum-reading it is rather weird.
So there you go. Town was pretty screwed the second the cop was quick-hammered and it was essentially read as stunning and brave throughout Day 2. Town deserves to lose this game. Almost everything Vasex said pre and post-hammer was correct. You have reads from two dead townies that had me as their top town-read, a wagon that went from E-4 to eliminated in no time at all, those same people mostly were on the Spartan E-1 wagon, the Corwin E-1 wagon, and now the Somnus E-1 wagon, and we're not going with any of those. I picked a bad game to roll town for the first time.
Again, you have my permission to quick-hammer. Now kill BlueBlood tomorrow. This should have happened ages ago. If they're town, they primarily cost us the game anyway. These reads aren't going to magically change post-hammer. Now get me out of this train-wreck.
