open 852: store bought potions (sold!)

[humaneatingmonkey]

i avoided that conversation specifically because it was a semantics trap

[humaneatingmonkey]

you spend some time talking about whether or not v and m are universally townread and convos like that make my eyes roll back in my head and my brain check out

i agree v&m would be hard to kill during the day tho. but i'm not sure that that makes them scum's target for the night. scum could have spread out the pain potions or did drink more potions to be able to do more potions. like kitty could have done DMP and 2 pain potions on someone but they were blocked. or scum could have done a pain potion on someone and a pain potion on someone else, and tomorrow they're going to massacre us.

i gotta go i will think about it more later

this slow roll-out rests entirely on the idea that the scum team is not in danger.

[Save The Dragons]

are they in danger?

[Save The Dragons]

fmpov it seems like the lim could reasonably be me

[humaneatingmonkey]

or scum could have done a pain potion on someone and a pain potion on someone else, and tomorrow they're going to massacre us.

this also implies that scum have used pain potions and therefore town!v&m becomes the obvious target in this gamestate.

[Save The Dragons]

why does town v&m become an obvious target

[humaneatingmonkey]

because obvtown and townread by most and feisty and a hydra

[Save The Dragons]

i have trouble seeing it because i still think they could be scum

[humaneatingmonkey]

think about the rest of the game and not just your pov.

[humaneatingmonkey]

who could you have recruited to get v&m dead

also nancy solved a very difficult game i was in at lylo so i have respect for their town game here, but that might just be me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

gamma are you still here would love to get a "???" from you

[Save The Dragons]

today? who could i have recruited? i'm not sure. probably N_M and dwlee but that's about it

[humaneatingmonkey]

today? who could i have recruited? i'm not sure. probably N_M and dwlee but that's about it

and that's why i think they would have been a likely target if town. very difficult to elim and would likely solve the game the longer it goes on.

[Dwlee99]

I think NM is scum because I think v&m are town now

To your point about them not getting harmed, in the last iteration of this I believe that scum took shots at "plausible" targets. That is, they avoided attacking obvtown because the risk of getting caught doing it is high because of the harmography potions. So they instead chose to attack people they believed would be seen as reasonable choices that are still town

To that end, NM could have attempted to do that anyway on v&m

[humaneatingmonkey]

i have a case for nm being town (just a specific thing), have you seen it? what do you think about that?

[humaneatingmonkey]

ok i think i've said enough i'll sleep on your feedback thanks

[Dwlee99]

I think I missed it but I can try to find it

[Venus and Mars]

...so you're not scumreading nm? i thought that was your whole deal. why did you jk nm?

Because he was deathtunnelled us all through d1 on our slot and I figured if anyone were to use a pain potion on us, it would be him if he had one and since STD claimed to have jk’d Kitty, if NM did use his pain potion on us, we for sure would be 100% dead tonight, if not for our jk on him.

???
I believe it takes 2 pain pots to kill

I pain potion on us n1 and the 2nd one on n2.

~Mars

[Venus and Mars]

okay ill stay up.

i think v&m is scum and not all three (or four including v&m) of you can be scum. i chose to talk to you because i found you the most reasonable ones to talk to that won't immediately call me scum and can spot the flaws to my reasoning as it occurs or validate me when i hit the right spot.

my thing rests upon nm not being scum. i think v&m not being sent any potions by the scum team last night points towards them being scum because they've been universally townread (or mostly, whatever. semantics.) and thus hard to kill off during the day. regardless who nm targets, if they're not scum it shouldn't matter because an entire scum team didn't try and pain potion v&m.

i'm gonna point you towards our recent interaction and without describing it and trying to color it in anyway that could influence your take on it — what do you think about it?

We were according to you “sparkling obvtown” but due to you allegedly not having proof of anyone using a pain potion on us other than maybe NM totally flipped that for you

Yeah, 100% calling bullshit on that.

And stop it with the nonsence we were a universal tr on n1. That is an obvious lie.

~M

[Venus and Mars]

why does town v&m become an obvious target

We obviously don’t.

[Venus and Mars]

because obvtown and townread by most and feisty and a hydra

Your own chart disproved this.

[Venus and Mars]

today? who could i have recruited? i'm not sure. probably N_M and dwlee but that's about it

and that's why i think they would have been a likely target if town. very difficult to elim and would likely solve the game the longer it goes on.

So you’ve progressed from thinking we’re “sparkling obvtown” to taking us out of your trs to now blatantly trying to run us up, all because you allegedly didn’t find another player besides possibly NM who used pain potions on us?

Said absolutely no town ever in the history of mafia.

~M

[Venus and Mars]

*tried to use*

[Venus and Mars]

I think NM is scum because I think v&m are town now

To your point about them not getting harmed, in the last iteration of this I believe that scum took shots at "plausible" targets. That is, they avoided attacking obvtown because the risk of getting caught doing it is high because of the harmography potions. So they instead chose to attack people they believed would be seen as reasonable choices that are still town

To that end, NM could have attempted to do that anyway on v&m

That’s why I find it extremely suss that HEM keeps calling us a universal tr when his own chart handedly disproved this and furthermore his read on us should not be changed one iota based on whether or not we were targeted. That makes absolutely no sense. What townie ever does a complete 180 on a slot solely based on something like that?

Notice he has said not even one word about any of our posts or attempted to evaluate our answers. Why has he no opinion on that?

Why would his read on us have completely changed based on whether or not we were targeted and why would town!HEM completely ignore our posting?

~M

[Venus and Mars]

@HEM, if we’re scum here, who are our buddies?

because if it’s still the original PoE you had: Flea is already locktown for me and Roden will become obvtown after we flip.

~M