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[Isis]

why this emotional reaction btw, aren't you on the Isis-is-scum train? doesn't seem like it would come from that angle.

Coral thinks I'm scum an maybe I mix up all the sundresses though X_X

[GuiltyLion]

Why is pav your preferred flip? How did the beat townflip affect your reads given that it was your preferred flip yesterday? Not sure i like your marci push, feels a big bandwagon-y tbh

pav - I just outlined more things I didn't like from him on D2 (implication that TW's fight with Ari looked scummy, said he didn't like the wagons despite posting on D1 that we should flip either Beat or Gamma for info and asking Fruit if there was anyone else to wagon instead) - and in general I haven't seen a single post from him this whole game that rung major town bells for me, he's just kinda here but not pushing the game any sort of which way and thought processes feel oblique to me

was it not clear how beat flip affected my reads? Gamma stock went down, and I looked at the wagon and felt marci was worst vote on it. I don't know if I understand how you can say your marci read is fading but also be suspicious of me for voting/scumreading her.

[skitter30]

skitter you just made a post that said "i townread marci at the start of the game, but I understand why her stock is down recently, and my change my view of her to a negative one"

then you made 8 posts saying GuiltyLion's read of marcistar shouldn't change.

That's not what i said, i said i didnt understand how it changed or why marci is the read that changed

[skitter30]

Or why that's his most significant sr rn
Like why did he drop paw for this? Idk

[GuiltyLion]

Also i'm not sure i understand your isis townread - can you elaborate plz?

there's a bunch of posts from Isis where she's making insightful reads and pushing the game in a way that feels like authentic scumhunting. The latest such post that really made me feel "yup Isis town" is 1805 for example - I don't think it's as likely scum would have a) identified and remembered that marci's attitude towards Fruit changed specifically after Fruit called her out, b) thought to push it at this juncture in the game when marci isn't exactly a popular scumread.

and there's posts like this all over her ISO. your argument against her hasn't been convincing to me - like it feels like you're taking a post like 1669 far too seriously when you say it's "putting blame on Ari", and you're also holding onto 108 as if it's some super indicative thing when to me it seems like you just don't like the explanation/thought process moreso than it being something that town wouldn't post.

[GuiltyLion]

Like why did he drop paw for this? Idk

several people already pointed out that it'd be better to hunt on wagon today?

I'm letting it be known that I SR Pav and would vote there if a wagon sprung up, but I don't think people would be willing to go for it at the moment, so I'm not

[GuiltyLion]

Like your entire top row was on that wagon. I'm not sure i follow why marci is the one you think is scummy here, and not the others

I gave several things I didn't like from marci, I'll repeat them again

-As Isis pointed out in 1805, switched from defending Fruit to discrediting him as soon as Fruit started accusing her of being scummy posting filler
-Has not substantively expressed or advanced reads in order to push the game a certain way in recent memory
-1692 overreaction and yet doesn't feel like she actually wanted to clarify her read on Pav
-repeatedly says she SR Gamma, even at EOD1, yet kept her vote on Beat, feels like closest profile of scum on that wagon compared to deadline compromisers (Ari/Isis) or initial voters (Titus, Meuh)
-bonus point: not a reason against Marci in isolation but if Gamma is scum I could easily see them as paired, their interactions do not like two townies attempting to sort each other.

[GuiltyLion]

Like i guess i'm confused why out of all of your townreads on wagon (bolded) marci is who you're turning too. Up till this point in your iso you're not sus of her at all

I mean in simplest possible terms, Beat flipped town and most of the others on the Beat wagon continue to post townie things, whereas marci has not. I wasn't sus at her previously because I was SRing Beat and marci was voting Beat alongside me and I thought tonally she felt fine, it was enough for D1 but in hindsight weren't great reasons to TR her

[GuiltyLion]

I can see why some people are getting suspicious of Marci but it just doesn’t click for me at all. I don’t think she’s scum here.

what has Marci done that you think she couldn't or wouldn't do as scum?

[GuiltyLion]

I have a hard time believing GL's gameplay this game hasn't just been finding a wagon he wants to join, and then finding reasoning to make it seem genuine. I don't get the sense he's actually scumhunting. He brought up reasons to scumread Marci but I don't get the sense he actually believes any of it.

I don't know exactly why but this kinda reminded me of something Alyssa said about me as a player one time, she has a hard time reading me because the difference between my town/scum game is usually

what

I choose to comment on rather than how I comment about it

I can understand disliking my general vibe but I don't think you have a good working model of what my town game vs scum game looks like - like what would you expect to see from me that would indicate whether I "believe" in what I'm posting that's missing here? Why don't you think that I think those are good points against marci?

[Isis]

I mean I think Meuh is kind of identifying you as a dispassionate player

You do pick your battles more as scum but that's kinda tangential

[Isis]

Maybe emotional players can't pick their battles cause every little thing is worth squawks I guess

[SirCakez]

Does Cakez sound upset at the number of TRs I have?

huh?

marcistar's treatment of the fruit slot has been super bizarre and makes me feel like she knows he's town

Can you elaborate on this point bc I don't get it

elaborated later if this is a post by post catchup

yeah I did see it tbh I'm still kinda confused but I can see your thought process so w/e

GL/Pavowski/Fruit ggez

this would be an epic meme team lol

Are these the posts of someone trying to solve the game? Or are these the posts of someone trying to follow active townies while giving off the impression of genuinely scumreading the same people as them.

I kinda feel like I was the main factor in Beat getting limmed? Like I definitely swayed Ari onto it and was the main one pushing it in the 48 hours leading up to the deadline?

who do you think were the active townies I was sheeping? most of the active people at end of yesterday (Ari, Gamma, Isis)

followed

me onto Beat

your characterization of the game doesn't really fit my experience here

I also don't think I'm "disconnected", other than just being absent this weekend

hmmmm does scum!GL actively point to himself as the main culprit for the Beat wagon? probably not no?

I feel like I haven't seen marci produce actual #Reads TM or #Content TM in quite some time, ever since she got the early townreads really - like to everyone else reading this post, ask yourself if you can recall off the top of your head what marci's view of the game is here

a strong point tbh

VOTE: Marcistar

A VCA case...my heart's gone.

if Marci is scum this feels like a distancing/bus vote sooo hard

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Titus her content for all of today has been so bad I haven't seen any passion from her at all

[marcistar]

honestly i want to afk

[Isis]

Why do you want to afk? It's less readable. Please don't shellder

[The Ugly Fruit]

VOTE: Marci One I need to place my vote on someone, two looking back at D1 I wasn't really feeling marci's plays

[Isis]

.. who's plays are you feeling fruit

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Marci One I need to place my vote on someone, two looking back at D1 I wasn't really feeling marci's plays

This is pretty weaksauce

[marcistar]

thats coming from someone who was hating on how fast wagons have been happening all game btw

[Isis]

Do you think fruit is bad or scummy Marci?

I almost said ugly as one of the two by accident x.x

[marcistar]

its hard to tell for me because of the differences from what hes used to
i wanna lean towards hes just bad at the game, but it keeps flopping

i love shading him tho AHAHHAA we have grudges against eachother from past games <333

[Isis]

Can we make a grudge this game Marci
For us both to have
I want to share something special with you

[marcistar]

omg yes :heart_cat_eyes:

whats our grudge about

[Ydrasse]

VOTE COUNT 2.2

[4]

marcistar

: Isis, GuiltyLion, Titus, The Ugly Fruit

[3]

Isis

: Gamma Emerald, skitter30, Aristeia

[1]

Titus

: SirCakez

[1]

GuiltyLion

: Meuh

[1]

Gamma Emerald

: Pavowski

[2]

Not voting

: marcistar, Coral

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day two ends in (expired on 2022-06-21 19:53:27)

MOD NOTES

• please let me know if there are any errors, i do this by hand.

• Gamma Emerald and skitter30 currently V/LA.

• have fun!