Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 2.01

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-06-21 15:30:00).

yeet

MathBlade [2]:

Titus, Ausuka

Titus [1]:

MathBlade

implosion [1]:

Aristeia

not voting [9]:

implosion, Harley Quinn, Gamma Emerald, Wallflower, Roden, Enchant, Dwlee99, Bellaphant, Save The Dragons

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~ dual mod iso.
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[Ausuka]

VOTE: Mathblade

As long as Enchant doesn't have a literal innocent I am definitely down for this

Don't see why he's obvtown, I don't think it's that rare for scum to bus each other when going down

Don't think it's Titus here

Are you at all familiar with HEM!scum because dude is a master manipulator and by the EoD1 and post flip, Math looked exactly like a HEM buddy due to the optics. That means he isn’t.

HEM!scum would have set Math up to look good. The fact that he’s getting voted just convnces me of this more and more.

I link this for you if need be. You all really need to familiarize yourselves with HEM scum.

I mean, it's true that I'm not familiar with HEM scum? That being said I'm not sure he was necessarily present enough to set up Math well?

I understand if you think it's out of the blue, I'm just trying to work with the information I have which points to Math somewhat, I don't see a better place to start day 2

Pedit: yeah I'm also thinking I might try signing up for a micro next time lmao

also dats VCs are consistently great

[Gamma Emerald]

vote count 1.09

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet

humaneatingmonkey [4]:

Dwlee99, Titus, implosion, Roden

Aristeia [3]:

humaneatingmonkey, Bellaphant, MathBlade

MathBlade [2]:

Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons

Dwlee99 [1]:

Ausuka

not voting [4]:

Harley Quinn, Malakittens, Enchant, Aristeia

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~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
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I feel like this Ari wagon in this VC is pretty bad
Potentially 3/3 scum on it

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey, sorry, that's 'hasnt' - see the rogue t? Yes, we had some good content but I was massively disheartened to see today start with another set of convos that looked like they could just lead to Titus/math blowing up the thread. I also can't believe I signed up for a game this large - I don't play larges because I can't cope with 80 pages: but, also, I feel like there was a lot of consensus that nothing good was coming from the hem slot very early on - we've even mentioned today that Titus buried hem on post 400 and something.

Bad vibes from this

[Bellaphant]

Hi gamma, you keep shading my posts: fancy actually talking to me, asking me questions, giving me anything apart from 'eww'? Coz I can't read you and you clearly can't read me.

[implosion]

Hey, sorry, that's 'hasnt' - see the rogue t?

oh. alas.

I do agree it's bad if today devolves into being so MathBlade centric as yesterday, but I do think it sort of served its purpose yesterday in some way too.

And yeah, there was some consensus on the HEM slot, but near eod HEM was actually starting to give reads, like I mentioned, and they'd said they were going to give more when next they were on before they got hammered. I kind of agree with HQ that I wish the day had gone on a bit longer - at the time because I felt like "well, either these reads from HEM make me think twice about HEM-scum, or they're associatives to think about".

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi gamma, you keep shading my posts: fancy actually talking to me, asking me questions, giving me anything apart from 'eww'? Coz I can't read you and you clearly can't read me.

Why can’t you read me?

[Aristeia]

Are you at all familiar with HEM!scum because dude is a master manipulator and by the EoD1 and post flip, Math looked exactly like a HEM buddy due to the optics. That means he isn’t.

I really don't like this line of logic. It's exactly the line of logic that led Math to conclude that HEM was town yesterday - he's a master manipulator, so if he's being wagoned he must be town.

Everyone with comments like these and comments like "HEM was happy to go down so their buddies must have been in a good spot" are ignoring a very basic important point: HEM was in the hospital for half of yesterday, in particular, the half of yesterday where their wagon picked up steam. They probably had bigger concerns than playing their best scum game, and trying to make conclusive statements on the assumption that their play was good is... very silly.

That said: I still have mixed feelings on Math. I agree with Ari that Titus is simply not scum here (I also agree with whoever was complaining that she's sounding like MathBlade yesterday).

I look forward to being mad at ari (because there is literally no way i will not be).

dont get mad at me plz

i ignore angry ate - see hem

the only way i would consider not pushing you is if you catch a baddie

[Bellaphant]

@implo, fair. I did start today really negative, I was feeling really good about our progress and then Titus started off with 'i must have been shot!' which gave me team mafia flash backs.

@gamma, I find I read people better when I talk directly to them. You just seen to want to throw rocks at me, which doesn't help communication. Like I said, please ask me questions, etc. Like, how is what I said to Implo even ia - it's really basic, but it's something that I could've said as town or scum and been honest : I missed a 'n' and I prefer smaller games.

[Bellaphant]

@implo, fair. I did start today really negative, I was feeling really good about our progress and then Titus started off with 'i must have been shot!' which gave me team mafia flash backs.

@gamma, I find I read people better when I talk directly to them. You just seen to want to throw rocks at me, which doesn't help communication. Like I said, please ask me questions, etc. Like, how is what I said to Implo even ia - it's really basic, but it's something that I could've said as town or scum and been honest : I missed a 'n' and I prefer smaller games.

[implosion]

Ari, I'm mad at you not for scumreading me here but for scumreading me in every single game that we have ever both drawn town, acknowledging that fact, and refusing to just set me aside for later

[Gamma Emerald]

I had to double check I'd not written one of ausuka's posts. Them, delete and probably gamma are on my no elim pile for today.

@gamma, for now, yes.

I am disappointed by dweelee's post about enchant suggesting they care more about numbers, so maybe I'm wrong.

pronoun correction. ~D

My elim pool is really boring: mala, Roden, maybe gamma, maybe STD, maybe enchant (I get what you are saying now) maybe dweelee. Actually maybe having no feelings about hem is a red flag.

P-edit I assume I'm going to wake up to 20 pages again, so no hurry

Gamma Emerald - I thought they were scummy earlier in day phase but are now null
Harley Quinn - my heart likes this slot but I think it's play style
Aristeia - town. The numbers stuff was bad but again, massively improved
Save The Dragons - null scum. like hem, lots of posts, can not actually tell you what they think about anything
Ausuka - town, but also my heart loves this slot
Roden - null scum

Elephant
Malakittens - aren't here
Enchant - bait
Dwlee99 - ???
implosion - town

humaneatingmonkey- prolly scum
Titus - wary of this slot, could be scum
MathBlade - town

this feels like where my reads are at rn
I intend to sanity check myself on some of this soon, obv titus + HEM is kinda wack but that bottom area is just the people I find have been the most suspicious

I would color this but I'm a luddite

@hq, I think math, especially this game, whether town or scum, is an easy elim. I don't think it's right for today. I'll reconsider this read later. Your posting on about math is becoming a little math posting aboout hem like.

I have no opinion on gamma really. Titus I'm concerned about, but their other scum reads reassure me a bit.


Noone seems interested in my scum reads and I don't think will be until we've flipped some or the more controversial slots. We have like a day and a half left and I just want to be done with today.
@titus I've spoken about math a lot. I don't think most people are scum reading him for reasons that I haven't seen them do as town. Also, as a competing wagon to hem who really hasn't shown a want to solve, I'm going to vote hem.

P-edit I just disagree. I'm not saying I can't be convinced, but I've explained why my read is what it is. I haven't ignored it, I've discussed it with Roden.

This whole progression on me is all over the place actually
Feels like you’re reads aren’t entirely dictated by thread events

[Gamma Emerald]

@implo, fair. I did start today really negative, I was feeling really good about our progress and then Titus started off with 'i must have been shot!' which gave me team mafia flash backs.

@gamma, I find I read people better when I talk directly to them. You just seen to want to throw rocks at me, which doesn't help communication. Like I said, please ask me questions, etc. Like, how is what I said to Implo even ia - it's really basic, but it's something that I could've said as town or scum and been honest : I missed a 'n' and I prefer smaller games.

Okay
I feel like most of the Math wagon is pure (HQ and StD I’m pretty sure of, Titus is 95%, Dwlee is like 85%)
Why couldn’t scum just have been uninvolved? I think that’s potentially more logical based on the long stall yesterday.

[Bellaphant]

Eh, I'd also love to have a chat with dweelee. @dweelee, throw some thoughts at me.

I have struggled with you and std - my reads on you are all over the place, Ive been really up front about that.

I guess it depends how much scum believed the math wagon was actually viable - obviously they'd prefer it over losing one of their own, so I don't think it's massively likely that there were /zero/ scum on it..as I said to Hq, it wouldn't surprise me if it was one on hem (I'm sure there must have been bussing, probably in the later half of the wagon), and one off totally, which also kind of reflects in the way the votes are just spaced. Is this unreasonable?

[Bellaphant]

I did look at you and STD again over night and realised that part of it is you post rapid fire and also very...certain things..I think your biggest post is still under 40 words. Std has some longer posts but I was shocked when I saw their activity was over 100 posts. I think I just find that hard to process

Like, look at this post. It could've been half the words but I'm processing and trying also to exposit a thought process.

[Gamma Emerald]

I did look at you and STD again over night and realised that part of it is you post rapid fire and also very...certain things..I think your biggest post is still under 40 words. Std has some longer posts but I was shocked when I saw their activity was over 100 posts. I think I just find that hard to process

Like, look at this post. It could've been half the words but I'm processing and trying also to exposit a thought process.

Okay and?

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh, I'd also love to have a chat with dweelee. @dweelee, throw some thoughts at me.

I have struggled with you and std - my reads on you are all over the place, Ive been really up front about that.

I guess it depends how much scum believed the math wagon was actually viable - obviously they'd prefer it over losing one of their own, so I don't think it's massively likely that there were /zero/ scum on it..as I said to Hq, it wouldn't surprise me if it was one on hem (I'm sure there must have been bussing, probably in the later half of the wagon), and one off totally, which also kind of reflects in the way the votes are just spaced. Is this unreasonable?

Tbh I wouldn’t be entitled surprised if it was Wallflower/Enchant who both got on late

[implosion]

Bella I guess I don't really have a clear view of your reads as as a whole - like on me, you'd called one of my posts really shady, but also said you didn't want to lim me, and you're describing some specific reads as all over the place. What would be like, a short summary of your overall feelings on the game? Do you feel like you just don't have a great grasp on who's scum right now?

[Bellaphant]

That's valid. I think my issue is I have a big chunk of the game as 'town' - math, Roden, hq, Ari, aus, actually you, and then rest of the game is just this '???'. Yesterday I was pretty sure hem was town and math was scum, and my town reads were voting hem and my ???? Were voting math (broadly).

I got quite a few reads through interaction - with you, with hq, with math, and both Ari and aus made a bunch of posts that seemed to mirror my exact thinking at the time. Roden just made one or two posts that seemed 100% town motivated, I can dig them out if you want?

I am also aware that I've also listed players in there that have qualities that I 'like', so an more inclined to town bin, and a common denominator in my '???', apart from Titus, is is a lot more quick, short posters.

My most confident scum read is wallflower.

[Bellaphant]

God, sorry, obviously the other way round - hem scum math town. I clearly can't write today.

[implosion]

Wallflower is an interesting case in that I have called her town now and distinctly remember having had some reason for that that I wrote down but clearly I never did actually write it down whatever it was.

I think the pretty town thing about her play is that she feels very reactive, like she hasn't committed to a plan. See: her voting me and then quickly unvoting me, saying screw the numbers and voting Enchant, voting Math and then unvoting 3 minutes later after realizing there's still time left. Some of her tone feels a little scummish but I don't think I can concretely rely on that.

[implosion]

I don't remember the last time I saw Gamma as scum but the angles he's taken are, idk, in line with how I feel like he'd be playing the game as town. It's the kind of read that I think I don't really feel the need to investigate deeply unless someone else familiar with Gamma sees something they think is scummy, and broadly people townread him, and I also still townread him.

[Aristeia]

Ari, I'm mad at you not for scumreading me here but for scumreading me in every single game that we have ever both drawn town, acknowledging that fact, and refusing to just set me aside for later

ok that might be true but you do kind of look partnered to hem :<

[Aristeia]

I am willing to set aside my deep burning distrust of you if you like nail a baddie tho <3

[implosion]

I'll wait for the case to respond to anything specific.