Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Titus]

After 1575, I gave Ari concrete data showing the data matched and Ari didn't address it at all. Instead she pushed Implosion. Ari is literally trying to excuse the absence of aggressive Mathblade behavior by saying it fails solely because she's in the game. She's the only one who can persuade Math to abandon a tunnel. She's the only one who can scare town!Math that he doesn't play to his meta. I can't see town!Ari having that level of hubris.

like you're telling me

that town!mathblade won't change his mind on a townread ever

therefore he's scum

and I'm telling you, I've literally made town!mathblade change his mind on a townread.

He can change his mind. He never votes a townread but for like hammer to stop no lim and I don't even recall him doing that.

[Aristeia]

like this game:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600

mathblade enters the thread the exact same way and we fight about it for like a day.

later at f6[mylo] he is confirmed town by investigation and decides to vote me and push me. I eventually ate him into changing his mind and killing his townreads and we win the game.

[Aristeia]

like this game:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600

mathblade enters the thread the exact same way and we fight about it for like a day.

later at f6[mylo] he is confirmed town by investigation and decides to vote me and push me. I eventually ate him into changing his mind and killing his townreads and we win the game.

[Aristeia]

He can change his mind. He never votes a townread but for like hammer to stop no lim and I don't even recall him doing that.

the viable elims were literally himself and HEM

he has zero thread influence - nobody is listening to him.

would he really prefer himself to be eliminated over his townread ??

[Roden]

Also i think MATH is town.

So don't vote Math. Thanks.

I am not claiming anything.

Just thinking Math is town

I think unless Wallflower checks in and claims to have JK'd/RB'd Math, then Math and Titus are TvT. I say that because she's the only one left who hasn't checked in. It would make today super easy if she did block the kill, but if not it's looking like someone chose Doctor and saved someone. And in that case the Doc can conftown someone if necessary.

Huh would it make today super easy? I mean there's still no way of knowing if it was doc/JK/something else I guess that would block the kill right?

I think it's safe for JK to claim a potential guilty since they can be protected by a Doc if they do exist. JK likely doesn't claim though if they targeted a town read slot. And in the case of us having a RB then they essentially have a hard guilty unless a potential JK also targeted a scummy slot.

Also i think MATH is town.

So don't vote Math. Thanks.

I am not claiming anything.

Just thinking Math is town

I think unless Wallflower checks in and claims to have JK'd/RB'd Math, then Math and Titus are TvT. I say that because she's the only one left who hasn't checked in. It would make today super easy if she did block the kill, but if not it's looking like someone chose Doctor and saved someone. And in that case the Doc can conftown someone if necessary.

No way town math wouldn't check me.

Check you with what? Cop?

[Aristeia]

maybe i'm too tunneled on town!mathblade

if anyone wants to make a case for why this is scum mathblade I will read it

[Wallflower]

Sorry everyone, had a busy start to the morning and still need to read up but I did not JK/RB math if that helps?

[Titus]

maybe i'm too tunneled on town!mathblade

if anyone wants to make a case for why this is scum mathblade I will read it

Spoiler at EoD1

[Titus]

Check you with what? Cop?

Right

[Roden]

Sorry everyone, had a busy start to the morning and still need to read up but I did not JK/RB math if that helps?

Good to know. We can assume either Doc protected someone or the JK protected a town read. If RB exists instead of Doc, they're likely scum since they didn't claim a guilty.

[MathBlade]

maybe i'm too tunneled on town!mathblade

if anyone wants to make a case for why this is scum mathblade I will read it

Spoiler at EoD1

Like if you’re town that is a bad play

You should be pitching Ari a world in which Ari is town but I am scum

I think you just don’t want a townblock with me in it

[Aristeia]

maybe i'm too tunneled on town!mathblade

if anyone wants to make a case for why this is scum mathblade I will read it

Spoiler at EoD1

I ignored that because it said I was scum with HEM and I find that ridiculous

[implosion]

No one who's an RB or JK or Doctor should claim anything. There are too many of those roles that could exist for any results to be unambiguous.

Hypocop green check on Titus.

[MathBlade]

Sorry everyone, had a busy start to the morning and still need to read up but I did not JK/RB math if that helps?

Good to know. We can assume either Doc protected someone or the JK protected a town read. If RB exists instead of Doc, they're likely scum since they didn't claim a guilty.

Give it another 24 but then yeah I am good with this assumption

There was some chaos about cop claims first.

[implosion]

Actually it's jailkeeper and doc/rb so I guess it's possible to get low ambiguity. But still, I don't think there's much need to claim right now.

[MathBlade]

No one who's an RB or JK or Doctor should claim anything. There are too many of those roles that could exist for any results to be unambiguous.

Hypocop green check on Titus.

I wholeheartedly disagree here.

If a roleblock has a guilty then they should absolutely be claiming here.

[Roden]

Check you with what? Cop?

Right

Ah, well he most likely isn't Cop, or a PR at all tbh since he's at the bottom of the draft. But yeah I agree that he always checks you in that situation.

Why did you think you were shot?

[MathBlade]

Actually it's jailkeeper and doc/rb so I guess it's possible to get low ambiguity. But still, I don't think there's much need to claim right now.

No one has claimed invests messed up or anything of the sort

So it is extremely likely doc saved the kill.

So then if a RB or JK doesn’t claim we just all hypo doc

If I am protective (I know I claimed VT but play along) I protected Ari

[Titus]

Check you with what? Cop?

Right

Ah, well he most likely isn't Cop, or a PR at all tbh since he's at the bottom of the draft. But yeah I agree that he always checks you in that situation.

Why did you think you were shot?

In a bit of arrogance, because my solve is right at least on Mathblade and Ari or my only two other compromise slots contain scum. Most likely my theory is just right and scum know I am a dog with a bone.

[Titus]

Actually it's jailkeeper and doc/rb so I guess it's possible to get low ambiguity. But still, I don't think there's much need to claim right now.

No one has claimed invests messed up or anything of the sort

So it is extremely likely doc saved the kill.

So then if a RB or JK doesn’t claim we just all hypo doc

If I am protective (I know I claimed VT but play along) I protected Ari

We aren't doing this.

[MathBlade]

Check you with what? Cop?

Right

Ah, well he most likely isn't Cop, or a PR at all tbh since he's at the bottom of the draft. But yeah I agree that he always checks you in that situation.

Why did you think you were shot?

In a bit of arrogance, because my solve is right at least on Mathblade and Ari or my only two other compromise slots contain scum. Most likely my theory is just right and scum know I am a dog with a bone.

Then someone in the hypo protective claims will claim to have saved you
I think you trying to save HeM yesterday means no one protects you

You’re just spamming me scum repeatedly which makes discussion impossible

[Aristeia]

hypo doc is super dumb

[Titus]

People can discuss. We aren't outing like half the PRs when scum can use that to solve when there's too many possible. Plus scum may know what to fake.

Hypo cops cover enough for docs as well.

[Aristeia]

roleblocker probly can claim if we have one

nobody shot titus because she's just wrong

[Titus]

Who would you like to discuss Math? I offered you an inivitation to highlight scum on your wagon if not me. I'm willing to discuss any read in the game.