Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Harley Quinn]

Are you at all familiar with HEM!scum because dude is a master manipulator and by the EoD1 and post flip, Math looked exactly like a HEM buddy due to the optics. That means he isn’t.

I really don't like this line of logic. It's exactly the line of logic that led Math to conclude that HEM was town yesterday - he's a master manipulator, so if he's being wagoned he must be town.

Everyone with comments like these and comments like "HEM was happy to go down so their buddies must have been in a good spot" are ignoring a very basic important point: HEM was in the hospital for half of yesterday, in particular, the half of yesterday where their wagon picked up steam. They probably had bigger concerns than playing their best scum game, and trying to make conclusive statements on the assumption that their play was good is... very silly.

That said: I still have mixed feelings on Math. I agree with Ari that Titus is simply not scum here (I also agree with whoever was complaining that she's sounding like MathBlade yesterday).

I look forward to being mad at ari (because there is literally no way i will not be).

Yes that’s true but HEM was still able to post in the main thread, therefore he was also able to post in the scum pt.

[Harley Quinn]

Rough feelings right now are something like this.

Ari, Titus, HQ: town who I don't really imagine ever re-evaluating on.

StD: town who I still feel good about calling town.

Gamma, Ausuka, Wallflower, Roden: town, but due for an audit.

Dwlee: leaning town, not confident.

Bellaphant: next step is to ISO her.

Math: idk.

Enchant: still casually scum.

If Math is town and I think he is, why does scum!Enchant tell people not to vote for Math?

[implosion]

One other problem is that so much of the Discourse right now is operating on the level of VCA. And I think it has its place, and I think it's absurd-on-its-face for players like Titus and Mathblade to try to "clear" a player based on a single vote they held somewhere, rather than a balanced approach of weighting that kind of thing (maybe even heavily if you believe in it) but weighting it against other sorts of evidence. It feels impossible to reason with them because the only piece of reason that can contradict that kind of thing is a different VCA, and good luck trying to convince them that their VCA is wrong. It's also just somewhat not my thing.

[implosion]

If Math is town and I think he is, why does scum!Enchant tell people not to vote for Math?

Idk, I think if the scum team is Math+Enchant then they've already pretty much lost and there's not a whole lot they can do about it? So it's hard to predict how they'd choose to act from this point.

[implosion]

Oh doy if Math is town. I mean, why wouldn't scum!Enchant say that in that case? It's not like people are listening to Enchant.

[implosion]

And it's not like scum!Enchant wouldn't hammer town!Math anyway at e-1

[Harley Quinn]

VOTE: Mathblade

As long as Enchant doesn't have a literal innocent I am definitely down for this

Don't see why he's obvtown, I don't think it's that rare for scum to bus each other when going down

Don't think it's Titus here

Are you at all familiar with HEM!scum because dude is a master manipulator and by the EoD1 and post flip, Math looked exactly like a HEM buddy due to the optics. That means he isn’t.

HEM!scum would have set Math up to look good. The fact that he’s getting voted just convnces me of this more and more.

I link this for you if need be. You all really need to familiarize yourselves with HEM scum.

I mean, it's true that I'm not familiar with HEM scum? That being said I'm not sure he was necessarily present enough to set up Math well?

I understand if you think it's out of the blue, I'm just trying to work with the information I have which points to Math somewhat, I don't see a better place to start day 2

Pedit: yeah I'm also thinking I might try signing up for a micro next time lmao

also dats VCs are consistently great

I forgot that you were sr him yesterday. I remembered my one experience as town playing with Math scum and he reacted quite differently to being sr. He was more trying to appease me then the way he reacted yesterday. He has a pretty decent scumgame and scum!Math generally doesn’t go out of his way to piss off the entire playerlist. He tends to be a lot more careful.

[Aristeia]

if the scum team is math+enchant i doubt math spends that much time screaming in the thread becuz he knows a lost cause when he sees one

[implosion]

One stray thought is that maybe I don't actually have any real reason for townreading StD that he wouldn't be able to fake as scum. I haven't played with him but someone said he snowed them recently and I'm not really sure how to describe why I think he's town, I think most of the things I like about his ISO are things that I just like as play but that could be faked as scum. Idk.

[implosion]

if the scum team is math+enchant i doubt math spends that much time screaming in the thread becuz he knows a lost cause when he sees one

I think this is not true based on my one experience with scum!Math.

[Ausuka]

I think it's safe for JK to claim a potential guilty since they can be protected by a Doc if they do exist. JK likely doesn't claim though if they targeted a town read slot. And in the case of us having a RB then they essentially have a hard guilty unless a potential JK also targeted a scummy slot.

Ok tbh I was thinking of doing this anyway since the draft system makes me transparently a PR so

Claim town Jailkeeper, I targeted Mathblade last night

I will have more to say later

[implosion]

Spicy.

[Roden]

Oh. Well GG then.

VOTE: Math

[MathBlade]

I think it's safe for JK to claim a potential guilty since they can be protected by a Doc if they do exist. JK likely doesn't claim though if they targeted a town read slot. And in the case of us having a RB then they essentially have a hard guilty unless a potential JK also targeted a scummy slot.

Ok tbh I was thinking of doing this anyway since the draft system makes me transparently a PR so

Claim town Jailkeeper, I targeted Mathblade last night

I will have more to say later

Still did nothing
Still VT

I know I am breaking the 24 hour rule but I still think this is important

I understand if you elim me here but I am not scum here.

[MathBlade]

I still think Ausaka is scum here

[Harley Quinn]

vote count 1.09

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet

humaneatingmonkey [4]:

Dwlee99, Titus, implosion, Roden

Aristeia [3]:

humaneatingmonkey, Bellaphant, MathBlade

MathBlade [2]:

Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons

Dwlee99 [1]:

Ausuka

not voting [4]:

Harley Quinn, Malakittens, Enchant, Aristeia

mod notes

~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

flavour

I feel like this Ari wagon in this VC is pretty bad
Potentially 3/3 scum on it

First off, I don’t think Math is scum and how often would you see an entire scumteam on a single slot? Ari was the original cw to HEM and had she flipped, the optics for scum would have been horrible.

[Aristeia]

ok maybe i'm wrong about mathblade but I still kinda want this day to play out normally >_>

[MathBlade]

ok maybe i'm wrong about mathblade but I still kinda want this day to play out normally >_>

Me too

I still want a chance Wednesday (or if I have to interrupt my celebration tomorrow after work) to leave cases

I am absolutely not scum here

[Aristeia]

yea I still believe you but I think we might be forced to elim you with that claim and the fact that you're VT so let's just try to leave the best case on whoever the actual scum are so we still get the win.

[MathBlade]

What’s really odd is Enchant crumbed reads here that they cop checked me

That’s impossible if I was jailkept

Enchant would get no result

[MathBlade]

So there absolutely has to be a scum in Enchant and Asuaka

[Roden]

I'm fine with not speed limming but uh, that's kind of damning evidence

[Aristeia]

jailkeeper doesn't prevent that does it?

i thought only alien did that

[Harley Quinn]

That's valid. I think my issue is I have a big chunk of the game as 'town' - math, Roden, hq, Ari, aus, actually you, and then rest of the game is just this '???'. Yesterday I was pretty sure hem was town and math was scum, and my town reads were voting hem and my ???? Were voting math (broadly).

I got quite a few reads through interaction - with you, with hq, with math, and both Ari and aus made a bunch of posts that seemed to mirror my exact thinking at the time. Roden just made one or two posts that seemed 100% town motivated, I can dig them out if you want?

I am also aware that I've also listed players in there that have qualities that I 'like', so an more inclined to town bin, and a common denominator in my '???', apart from Titus, is is a lot more quick, short posters.

My most confident scum read is wallflower.

Can you elaborate on that? Wallflower?

[MathBlade]

jailkeeper doesn't prevent that does it?

i thought only alien did that

Brainfart you’re right

But then I am conf Town from Enchant’s check as no godfather