Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Cephrir]

Nero Cain is being replaced.

[Sword of Ducks]

That leaves me to finding the scum in Nero/Sword/Nashville.

Since the first of these options is in the changing room, and the second knows they're town, let's start with VOTE: Nashville Dreams

[Menalque]

This game has been a masterclass in throwing lol

VOTE: FL

I don’t care if this is wrong or not, wolves go for it it town

[Menalque]

I also just want to reiterate again, although I’m probably leaving for good once my current games wrap, that if somebody will not shut the fuck up you are under no obligation to engage with everything and you can just vote them

I’d love to be able to test this but I think mafia is sort of just a broken game where the only actually effective strat is to find one of the very few people who are really good with their reads and just sheep them on a BoP basis

Which is p boring, really, but when the game is approached the way that it is, I think it’s the best hope

[Menalque]

Phrased differently: the fact that two slots had over 3000 posts this game is why we lost more than anything else including the alignment of those two slots

[Flavor Leaf]

@Klick - where’s your head right now?

[Klick]

This game has been a masterclass in throwing lol

VOTE: FL

I don’t care if this is wrong or not, wolves go for it it town

I agree with you in almost every sense

I don't think this town can come together for a win. But I'd like a chance to try, as the player currently holding the cards.

[Klick]

@Klick - where’s your head right now?

Sword of Ducks is very likely town
Menalque is very likely town

Wolves are in {Nashville, Nero Cain, bnuuy, tictac}

I need to look more in-depth before I'm happy to solve within those four.

[Nashville Dreams]

Klick, I get sorting me but how can you not see that SoD vote as scummy?

[Flavor Leaf]

I think if Nashville is scum, they’re more likely mafia than a wolf.

I think Bnuuy any way we look at it is always scum here.

[Sword of Ducks]

Klick, I get sorting me but how can you not see that SoD vote as scummy?

Mmmm...be quiet, I might change it later.

[Cephrir]

Freedom replaces Nero Cain.

[Cephrir]

votecount 6.1

Flavor Leaf (2) | bnuuy, Menalque

Nashville Dreams (1) | Sword of Ducks

Not Voting | Flavor Leaf, tictac, Freedom, Klick, Nashville Dreams

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-06-27 08:31:00).

[tictac]

You can ask STD to confirm that I had called TicTac scum overnight

u can ask meg or klick to confirm that i said u were my #1 scumread and that i was waiting to see if there was a singlekill night.

u say u gated by masons being alive yet u outed the masons day1 for 0 reason.
u say u also gated by 2shot making ur role overcomplicated and weird and also that is the number on concurrent scumkills. and lo there is indeed a kill missing, just like there would be if maf made the kills u claiming.
u HARD defended ench day1, and also informedly(as "informed ability") defended me, yet u voted me, making me think the "defense" of me was cover for defense of enchant.
enchant chose to dusk-kill ydr over u when u had very clearly said u were gonna shoot mastina. that doesn't make sense unless the shooting of mastina was something maf wanted, and mastina was neg-util.
and sure u given excuses and u claimed stuff in monkery all of which sounda to me like u knew which defect in ur story u would have to explain away next.

as 4 math: i don't beilieve that maf would kill conf non-wolf in this gamestate, that's just dumb. imma put zero weight on [redacted] especially when it's not clear what is pr-info and what is conjecture. (my confidence on math reasoning validly even if he does have data is not like 100%)
i get vibes of math pseudoclaiming vig last game tho, so i buy that he thinks the game should now revolve around him tho.

+ mastina using roleblock on 1 of 2 1-shot GS sclaims instead of using it on leaf, who claiming intent to shoot her.

i personally feel like the additional point wasn't needed to make things super obvious.
i have zero faith that leaf gonna be 'taken care of later'. he's gone days and days after he GOT GUILTIED TWICE ON NIGHT 1.

so
VOTE: leaf

[tictac]

@Klick i think u trying to optimize 4 "longest possible game before losing", which seems like not what we should be trying to do.

[Flavor Leaf]

i didnt get guiltied twice. there was confirmation by my Monks of me claiming vigilante before.

I also just never kill my own scum partner. Sorry.

It's obvious wolves have been trying to kill me for days now.

At this point, people need to try and see that I'm town.

If the wolves get my fade, they essentially win unless the Mafia is successful at hiding.

It's been the same people coming after me for days on end, and it's because they need to fade me. They were hiding behind Mathblade and I for days now.


You bring up the Mastina using roleblock assuming she didn't use it Night 1. You bring up the missing night kill, doing exactly what Math was doing, ignoring the multiple possibilities for missing Night kills.

I.e. Mastina Roleblock on wolves night 1. Mastina being shot by Wolves night 1. (these can't happen together, though)

there's also unflipped Wolves with possible extra explanations.

There's also double up on kills.

End of the day, I flip town.

Please see why my wagon is a wolves den.

[Flavor Leaf]

like, ive had the 2 missing kills case come after me multiple times, but i really dont think it takes a big leap of faith to see that one kill could have been stopped somehow, and one kill could have doubled up.

There are multiple indications that I am town here.

1: To believe I am scum, you have to believe that I shot Mastina, as a scum partner of hers, immediately after Enchant flipped, while being a prime night kill target for Wolves. There was no end game victory path for Mafia in this situation by doing that play.

2: You have to believe that there is a Monk and a Silversmith on the same Scum Team, filling essentially the same function of getting a half-inno.

There's definitely more, but these are the 2 hard facts that I believe.

I also hard pushed both Mastina and CSF.

[Flavor Leaf]

I do believe I am actually Mech-Confirmed as town, tbh, the only reason I'm not is because of the technicality that scum can kill their partner. I guess there was always the chance you assume I just get incredibly lucky as scum, and wolves decided to shoot Mastina, and I just happened to claim Vigilante and crumb it Day 1, but like still, 95% mech confirmed town. I'd still say it's like 85-90% tbh, people are just projecting what I would do as scum in killing my own partner.

If the situation was right for it, there's a chance I might do it, but this was 100% not the right scenario to kill my own partner, and that's simply a fact that will be proven post game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I believe the best fade path is Bnuuy->TicTac.

Bnuuy has the highest chance out of anyone this game to being a Wolf or Mafia, least likely to be town out of anyone.

If Bnuuy flips Mafia. I am 100% mech cleared.

If they flip Wolf, then we can reconsider TicTac, but I think TicTac always flips wolf here. In the scenario we do flip TicTac, that opens up the night phase and a new round of killing.

Klick is confirmed town, so both scum teams need that slot killed.

That is one of the highest chances we have at drawing the double night kill.

If Bnuuy flips Mafia, then I also get added to a night kill slot, however, i think the Klick one is more likely.

Before that night phase, it would lead us to a 4-2-0 or a 4-1-1, with the chance of getting a double night kill and opening an additional misfade.

If we don’t get a double kill on Klick, it also takes one person out of the fade pool.

[Freedom]

Based on my read through, I trust FL, Nashville, Klick and SoD.
This leaves a PoE is Menalque, bnuuy and tictac.

[Freedom]

By the way, @tictac, could you please link the posts which detailed a guilty on FL?

[Nashville Dreams]

I don't trust FL. Although wordy, his reads are a pile of omgus.

I do feel parts of the PoE are accurate though. I just am not as certain on SoD.

I think FL mafia, Klick conftown, Freedom probtown

PoE SoD tictac bnuuy Menalque

[Nashville Dreams]

By the way, @tictac, could you please link the posts which detailed a guilty on FL?

Both klick and mathblade claim FL had a gun I believe

[tictac]

Okay I'm a one shot gunsmith.

Plz confirm this is not a joke

Might also be checking fl
2 be continued...

Yes. The person from masonry did check fl, and he does have a gun.
Is now also claiming 1 shot, which is new. Believes it doesn't conflict w monkeyman.
So **shrug**
VOTE: leaf

person in masonry is klick

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't trust FL. Although wordy, his reads are a pile of omgus.

I do feel parts of the PoE are accurate though. I just am not as certain on SoD.

I think FL mafia, Klick conftown, Freedom probtown

PoE SoD tictac bnuuy Menalque

I was pushing them for days, how is it OMGUS?