Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

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for a second i was trying to cross reference titus's order with the player list instead of the actual draft order and i was about to cry havoc lol

[Harley Quinn]

I think I can almost confirm ausakes claim

So you picked jk, is that right?

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So I guess the idea is if scum are high in the draft, then fakeclaiming risks a CC from a PR below them, and if they're low on the draft... then what stops them from just like, fakeclaiming a different PR or something? Other people below them? Or like, committing to how many PRs total there are I guess?

If we are massclaiming then I'm not too worried about massclaim order tbh because I don't think scum have all that much to gain by making an out-there fakeclaim.

[Harley Quinn]

Harley, I made a specific order to force scum to real claim.

Is your list upside down then? Why would Gamma and I be at the top?

[Titus]

So I guess the idea is if scum are high in the draft, then fakeclaiming risks a CC from a PR below them, and if they're low on the draft... then what stops them from just like, fakeclaiming a different PR or something? Other people below them? Or like, committing to how many PRs total there are I guess?

If we are massclaiming then I'm not too worried about massclaim order tbh because I don't think scum have all that much to gain by making an out-there fakeclaim.

If scum low on the list try to fake claim a different PR, then they'll still have to prove it by any other means (good actions) odds of making it down etc.

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Harley, I made a specific order to force scum to real claim.

Is your list upside down then? Why would Gamma and I be at the top?

The way she wants it is that first, we go through the first list in order, but only claim whether we're PR or VT. Then we go through the second list in order and all claim our draft picks (i believe).

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Or do just PRs claim? Do VTs also claim their draft picks?

[Titus]

After the PR fullclaims, then the VTs announce who they support

[Harley Quinn]

for a second i was trying to cross reference titus's order with the player list instead of the actual draft order and i was about to cry havoc lol

Oh so that’s why, still bad idea. The claim order should be based on consensus trs first etc.

Dwlee should go last and me anf Gamma be 3rd or 2nd last.

[Titus]

Or do just PRs claim? Do VTs also claim their draft picks?

Only PRs do.

Then after the PRs then the VTs claim.

[Titus]

for a second i was trying to cross reference titus's order with the player list instead of the actual draft order and i was about to cry havoc lol

Oh so that’s why, still bad idea. The claim order should be based on consensus trs first etc.

Dwlee should go last and me anf Gamma be 3rd or 2nd last.

Normally, I agree but this setup makes it really hard for scum to lie.

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Before we do start a massclaim I want to make sure people more broadly are on board with it though since e.g. Ari objected earlier

[Save The Dragons]

im okay with massclaim personally

[Save The Dragons]

pew pew pew

[Harley Quinn]

So I guess the idea is if scum are high in the draft, then fakeclaiming risks a CC from a PR below them, and if they're low on the draft... then what stops them from just like, fakeclaiming a different PR or something? Other people below them? Or like, committing to how many PRs total there are I guess?

If we are massclaiming then I'm not too worried about massclaim order tbh because I don't think scum have all that much to gain by making an out-there fakeclaim.

If scum low on the list try to fake claim a different PR, then they'll still have to prove it by any other means (good actions) odds of making it down etc.

Oh I see but consider this. If we do it my way, we can hopefully catch scum fakeclaiming, no?

[Titus]

Before we do start a massclaim I want to make sure people more broadly are on board with it though since e.g. Ari objected earlier

Fair.

[Titus]

So I guess the idea is if scum are high in the draft, then fakeclaiming risks a CC from a PR below them, and if they're low on the draft... then what stops them from just like, fakeclaiming a different PR or something? Other people below them? Or like, committing to how many PRs total there are I guess?

If we are massclaiming then I'm not too worried about massclaim order tbh because I don't think scum have all that much to gain by making an out-there fakeclaim.

If scum low on the list try to fake claim a different PR, then they'll still have to prove it by any other means (good actions) odds of making it down etc.

Oh I see but consider this. If we do it my way, we can hopefully catch scum fakeclaiming, no?

My way is better as PRs can cc VTs and VTs can CC PRs and PRs can CC each other. There's only the informed safeclsim.

[Titus]

Even then, a VT can say there's scum in the slots above me because X wasn't claimed.

[MathBlade]

PR/VT Order
StD
Dwlee
Titus
Ari
Wallflower
Implosion
Gamma
HQ

PR claim order
Harley
Gamma
Implosion
Wallflower
Ari
Titus
Dwlee
StD

@Math, You're right. I made a typo.
You good with this massclaim order?

I can’t calculate that at work

I think that I would prefer both bottom up I think.

That way the bottom have to claim the specific PR first

Then if upper has that PR it’s a definite CC and the CCer is more likely truth telling

The way you have it enables the specific PR claimers to pick from leftovers

[MathBlade]

Both ways have merit though

So if more prefer Titus’s way I am not for or against either way

[MathBlade]

Although I would rather people claim the pair

Not the specific role

[MathBlade]

I would also say consensus TRs last. So they can CC.

[Titus]

@HQ Category works great. Specific role not needed until absolute end.

1) PR/VT bottom up.
2)PR category claim top down.
3) VT support claims and categories plus FoSes.

So StD is up PR or VT.

[Save The Dragons]

VT baby

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but you spent literally half of your iso breadcrumbing how can you be vt