Newbie 2095 | Game over

[Malakittens]

Hutmeil

Really needs to go

Can I at least get my one lim please?

I been on my game lately in general with reads

[whiskey delta]

“I think mod would want at least one SE on the scum side”

That’s not how role assignments work (or they shouldn’t). It’s supposed to be random.

I disagree. This is a newbie game. If all 3 SEs are Town, scum would be at a great disadvantage which is not good for the game. If I were the mod, I'd want to keep the game balanced and not lopsided. Are you trying to save Greeting?

As Greeting already clarified, this simply isn’t a thing. How does that affect your read now?

[whiskey delta]

Hutmeil

Really needs to go

Can I at least get my one lim please?

I been on my game lately in general with reads

Go on…

[whiskey delta]

I’m sort of in a spot where I think Mala could be scum. For their experience level their involvement has been very slim. That hutmeil read has been carried since D1 and there’s no real push to get it done. They have voted both FG/Alianna. They came to life a little yesterday when Alianna tied their wagon with hers, and since I was still sus of Alianna I backed off, but now after the hammer and flip they are back on hutneil. Idk

I’m not sure Greeting/Mala is the answer but I do think they just TR each other and moved on which does worry me somewhat. Mala, you never answered my questions irt Greeting on D2. Greeting, yoj said you thought about following my vote on Mala yesterday. Where do you stand on that now?

[Tidus of the X]

So what's everyone's thoughts on who should be eliminated today? I would want to eliminate either hutmeil or WD today.

Can you state your reasons why?

You and hutmeil have both been scumread by many people all game IIRC(yes, I know that's dependent on other's reads, but I currently have trouble scumreading and townreading people, just check out my short life in newbie 2094)

I think I have also seen some scumminess in a few of your posts earlier in the game too WD, I would prefer eliminating you today over hutmeil

[whiskey delta]

Be specific please. What posts?

I am flipping Town so my elim ends the game. I know that means next to nothing to anyone at this point but at the very least present some actual posts that I can comment on.

[hutmeil]

“I think mod would want at least one SE on the scum side”

That’s not how role assignments work (or they shouldn’t). It’s supposed to be random.

I disagree. This is a newbie game. If all 3 SEs are Town, scum would be at a great disadvantage which is not good for the game. If I were the mod, I'd want to keep the game balanced and not lopsided. Are you trying to save Greeting?

As someone who has hosted a game on MafiaScum, I can assure you that all draws are random and must be randomised in accordance with sitewide guidelines. Hosts are held accountable for their games by the moderation team, and Newbie games hosts have higher requirements than hosts for other games, because these games are meant to provide a very standardised experience for new players to learn from.

What I am thinking as of this moment is that either

Malakittens

has been pulling the strings for most of the game and I have allowed myself to be pocket her with reciprocation or that we have two Newbies, like any pairing from {

Tidus of the X

, yourself,

whiskey delta

} who are kicking ass. And to be fair, I do not think one is more likely than the other.

Okay, read the pages. I'll give you that.

I will push through with my WD vote. But I want to hear from everyone first.

Think about this. WD is on both Town (mis)lynches from D1 to D2. Same with Greeting.

D1 - furtiveglance (5): Roden,

Greeting

, hutmeil, Alianna,

whiskey delta

D2 - Alianna (4): BlueBloodedToffee,

Greeting, whiskey delta

, Malakittens

WD has been moving from wagon to wagon both days as I've said earlier. He's been on my scum list since D1.

How long has everyone been playing? Outta curiosity

I used to play a lot but it’s probably been about ~3 years since I did last. My home website went the way of the dodo sadly

WD asked this early in the game. I believe, scum strategy was to elim the strongest players first.

As for Greeting, she's been in my neutral list for a while. However, she's been posting safely so she fits my "not being so active but active enough to not get called out” theory. She also on both mislynch wagons so she's shifted to my SR. Meta-wise, I think mod would want at least one SE on the scum side. The other 2 SEs are dead, so that leaves only her.

My vote history is bad and there's no use of me denying it. My performance in this game has been below my own expectations. Sorry, team.

But, if you take a more detailed look than at just the final vote tallies, you'll find this post:

You don't want to?

Hmmm, how can I hammer someone in my TR-neutral list. My conscience is holding me back lol. You make a good point though that she's not scumhunting hard enough.

But if Mala is purposely delaying, I guess I'll hammer.

How many hours are there left?

You were just as much willing to hammer

Alianna

, just

Malakittens

beat you to it. And if you did hammer instead of

Malakittens

, the list would include not just me and

whiskey delta

, but yourself as well. But you conveniently left that out, didn't you? I guess now you could be explaining that you didn't really mean to hammer

Alianna

, but I'm not sure if anyone is buying it.

Sure, I could have hammered Ali too. But if you read my D1 to D2 posts, I never waivered on my Ali!Town to Ali!Neutral read. I even said my conscience was bothered to hammer her. In other words I was hesitant to do so unlike you who was determined to do so.

Hutmeil

Really needs to go

Can I at least get my one lim please?

I been on my game lately in general with reads

If that's your statement then your read is off real bad.

“I think mod would want at least one SE on the scum side”

That’s not how role assignments work (or they shouldn’t). It’s supposed to be random.

I disagree. This is a newbie game. If all 3 SEs are Town, scum would be at a great disadvantage which is not good for the game. If I were the mod, I'd want to keep the game balanced and not lopsided. Are you trying to save Greeting?

As Greeting already clarified, this simply isn’t a thing. How does that affect your read now?

Well, that's not the only basis for my SR on her. But sure it softens my SR on her a bit.

So what's everyone's thoughts on who should be eliminated today? I would want to eliminate either hutmeil or WD today.

Can you state your reasons why?

You and hutmeil have both been scumread by many people all game IIRC(yes, I know that's dependent on other's reads, but I currently have trouble scumreading and townreading people, just check out my short life in newbie 2094)

I think I have also seen some scumminess in a few of your posts earlier in the game too WD, I would prefer eliminating you today over hutmeil

Let's vote without voting:

WD - Hutmeil, Tidus
Hutmeil - Mala

@Greeting, @WD: Who do you want to vote for at this point?

[whiskey delta]

I would vote Mala. It has taken them 2 1/2 game Days to exceed the post count they did with their alt in half of D1 and they have basically had one read all game. If this isn’t scum they sure didn’t help Town any by redirecting anyone onto their SR that they’ve held since D1

I really expected Greeting to be dead here but maybe it’s just Greeting/Mala for ignoring each other and they carried me to ELO for the final mislim with the two newbs who were pointing at me already. I suppose Mala/hutmeil is possible too looking at how he’s saying it’s me/Greeting or me/Tidus

My reads have been so bad all game I really don’t have the confidence or energy to keep at it. My best guess is just to look at those who have left Town to cannibalize itself that aren’t explicitly newbies playing in one of their first several games. If it’s Tidus then don’t expect to continue getting away with doing nothing in the future. Eventually that newbie shine will be gone and you’ll be expected to do things other than passively comment and not vote the entire game.

[whiskey delta]

^^^ should add that hutmeil doesn’t seem at all bothered for being SR by the same player all game.

Mala is neutral because why?

[Malakittens]

I already explained my greeting read multiple times. It’s a tone difference for me.

Also WD my activity level is NaI for me at best due to my mult job and crazy hours.
I have random bursts of energy depending on my engagement level of the game, playerlist & in general mood I am in.

So please don’t use that against me.

It was one of the reasons why I was on an alt for an experiment to blow the Meta tells out of the garbage pile

[Malakittens]

My final solve is prob Tidus & hutmeil


But maybe I’ll have more time to do VC analysis and really dig into it between tmrw into Friday when I’m working

[Greeting]

At this point, I'm inclined to think that the solve is

whiskey delta

and

hutmeil

(more likely) or

Tidus of the X

(less likely).

This is most likely my final shot at solving this game. If we get it right, it's highly unlikely that I make it to Day 4, so I'll do my best at laying down everything I've got on this theory. If we don't get it right, at least I will know that I tried.

Spoiler: Long wall of text

From the very start of the game,

whiskey delta

was very active. I can tell that he's experienced in playing mafia and I have reasons to believe that he's the one behind the wheel for the entire game.

Looking through his ISO, I can see that his interactions with both

hutmeil

and

Tidus of the X

were kinda murky.

hutmeil is admittedly my leap of faith read in this situation. I am more convinced by what others have said than anything hutmeil has done in particular, but again if Roden turns up red then I would take them off the table as well.

Tidus hasn't said much which looks ~bad but at the same time I feel like scum would try harder to look productive. 148 isn't much but might be a >Townie reaction.

Both of these really don't give that much information.

Post 255 is

whiskey delta

's first meaningful interaction with

Tidus of the X

. The response in 257 is kinda town-ish though.

Actually, now that you say that, it doesn't make sense to scan greeting when everyone is saying he looks town, it would nonly confirm him even more as town. I remember reading somewhere that it's a better idea to scan null reads because you have absolutely no idea which alignment it could be, so that's something against his claims.

There still is, however, a chance he could be cop, there are currently no counterclaims after all

Sorry, no, I don't have an alternative. Currently not very good at reading alignments other than the obvious stuff

My opinion is that it was a good choice to get a green check on me early in the game, but unfortunately we could not get that due to that horrible Day 1 wagon. But this is something that fits what a newbie townie would say. Newbie townies in general are more likely to go after the "obvious" solutions such as assuming that it's best to get all the scum reads check out. Truth is, even the loudest players in the game involved in scumhunting can keep flying under the radar for the entire game (aka

whiskey delta

).

There is, however, something worrying about the pairing of

whiskey delta

/

Tidus of the X

. There has been an attempt at an interaction in 505, and

Tidus

' responses to that interaction have been kinda underwhelming. I cannot, however, make anything AI of

Tidus

' responses in 508 and 516. I hate to say this, but these responses weren't good at all, but more importantly, they were consistent with his overall performance in the game so far. Which, to me, makes the

WD

/

Tidus

pairing far less likely.

hutmeil

- follow-up.

Please note that for the duration of all of Day 1 and Day 2 there was virtually no interaction between

whiskey delta

and

hutmeil

. To me this looks like both of them were distancing from one another so that we could not find any connection between them. It does make sense and is a pretty valid strategy as scum.

I also have a read on

hutmeil

's part which seems to be proving this theory. In 260, I noted his nullread of me as caused by me asking supposedly too much questions, while he didn't seem to notice the same thing about

whiskey delta

. And here's the read on

whiskey delta

:

whiskey delta

I like how he generates discussion. But something is off and I can't put my finger on it.

What was I doing asking questions if not generating discussion? And what was

whiskey delta

doing that supposedly worried him? Does not make sense. Looks like a slip.

Late on in Day 1, operation to put the blame on me for

furtive glance

's miselimination started to take place. In spite of the fact that he jumped on the wagon himself. In 491 and 496, attempts and hopes were made to get me to take the bullet. It wasn't enough, so the plan was to back off and go after

Malakittens

instead.

Looking back, 561 was quite clever. At the time it made me get a soft townread of

whiskey

's slot. Maybe if he were bolder with pursuing this, he would have even convinced me to after

Mala

. Still, the way the gamestate is, I see this post as laying grounds for a

Malakittens

elimination Day 3.

Mala

and

whiskey delta

are definitely not both town-aligned, and neither is

Mala

and

hutmeil

and this is another reason for

whiskey delta

to be our elimination for today.

Now, going back to 191, me and

Malakittens

are both listed as townreads. Which makes sense from a scum point of view. Going after obvious town is a known scum tell around here and I would expect

whiskey delta

to know that. In my experience, it's almost always inexperienced townies who do this. This would also explain why I am still not dead as of now. My vote history is bad and in his eyes, it was probably easy to use it to miseliminate me when there is nothing else. And this is our last chance at getting it right, which gets the pressure going.

Another thing, who brought up the voting history right now? His partner,

hutmeil

, in 692. And, as I pointed out in 699, this was a double-edged sword, because

hutmeil

's voting record looks less bad only on paper.

I am town, I believe

Malakittens

is town, plus she doesn't seem aligned with either

WD

nor especially

hutmeil

whom she's been gunning after since the beginning of time. So the pool has got to be {

whiskey delta

,

hutmeil

,

Tidus of the x

}. And I think both

WD

and

hutmeil

know they're time is up, and they are gunning against each other to make the other one look cleaner Day 4.

Do not be fooled by this.

I am pretty much sold on this solve, so I will not hesitate to cast an actual vote. Do not follow me on this too easily,

WD

needs to be given a chance to explain himself and respond to this post.

VOTE: whiskey delta

[whiskey delta]

No rebuttal honestly. I played like shit and deserve this elim.

Hammer away. Sorry Town

[whiskey delta]

VOTE: Greeting

If we’re both Town then scum can choose which to hammer since you are apparently confident enough not to worry about a speed hammer in ELO. If not then good game. Wish I had pushed you harder D2

[Greeting]

No rebuttal honestly. I played like shit and deserve this elim.

Hammer away. Sorry Town

VOTE: Greeting

If we’re both Town then scum can choose which to hammer since you are apparently confident enough not to worry about a speed hammer in ELO. If not then good game. Wish I had pushed you harder D2

I spent literally hours reading this thread back and forth

and I just do not see another solve. It's not me, not

Mala

and it definitely is not a pair of

hutmeil

and

Tidus of the x

.

If you really were town, you'd be defending yourself and you're not doing that and going on the counteroffensive instead, which means I'm right and I need not worry about this going wrong. I'm just wondering if your teammate is going to bus you or not.

Anyway, I am off to sleep and I won't be around until later tomorrow. It is the only way forward in my eyes, and if it really is the unlikely gamesolve that we're both town then it's game over and I'm beat fair and square, but at least I did my best. Goodnight.

[whiskey delta]

Idk what to tell you. You act like I haven’t labored and poured a lot of energy and time into this game already. The writing was all the wall that I was most likely getting elimmed today. My last hope was an Alianna scum flip and even then my play D2 still made me look bad. It was a lose/lose. I have no clue why you are Town reading Mala based on their ISO. It seems you two town locked each other D1 and it hasn’t moved. I am suspect of this, like I already said. If Tidus is scum he played the most chickenshit game I have ever seen but I sort of wrote him off a while ago. Hutmeil is possible. I think his read on Mala and vice versa are weird. She wants him dead but has done what exactly to achieve that? Meanwhile he seems perfectly fine being SR by someone persistently throughout the entire game and doesn’t question it. All of this I have pointed out but you will make your own conclusions. I don’t really care anymore.

Sleep well. If you’re Town then we both sucked. If you’re scum then I will take some solace knowing I pegged you at one point and just got distracted in typical Town fashion.

It’s your and Mala or it’s Mala and hutmeil. Final answer

VOTE: Mala

Give me the sweet release of death.

[the worst]

vote count 3.01

Ducks can jump up to 40-100 times their body length in distance!

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whiskey delta (1): Greeting
Malakittens (1): whiskey delta

Not Voting (3): hutmeil, Tidus of the X, Malakittens

With 5 players alive, it takes 3 votes to reach an elimination.

Day one will end in (expired on 2022-06-21 09:30:00)

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Mod notes:

• quack

[whiskey delta]

Last question to Greeting: why do you think BBT was killed over you?

[whiskey delta]

UNVOTE:

[whiskey delta]

VOTE: hutmeil

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[hutmeil]

^^^ should add that hutmeil doesn’t seem at all bothered for being SR by the same player all game.

Mala is neutral because why?

I've already answered this here => 571.

hutmeil

- follow-up.
Please note that for the duration of all of Day 1 and Day 2 there was virtually no interaction between

whiskey delta

and

hutmeil

. To me this looks like both of them were distancing from one another so that we could not find any connection between them. It does make sense and is a pretty valid strategy as scum.

No interaction? What do you call this => 90, 447, 450, 507, 526, 571, etc... Not only was I actively interacting with him, I found him scummy since D1.

I guess you're trying to plant seeds of doubt here since I caught you and WD.

I also have a read on

hutmeil

's part which seems to be proving this theory. In 260, I noted his nullread of me as caused by me asking supposedly too much questions, while he didn't seem to notice the same thing about

whiskey delta

. And here's the read on

whiskey delta

:

whiskey delta

I like how he generates discussion. But something is off and I can't put my finger on it.

What was I doing asking questions if not generating discussion? And what was

whiskey delta

doing that supposedly worried him? Does not make sense. Looks like a slip.

I've already answered this too before. While everyone was grilling me for my "anti-town" posts on D1, WD was not doing this. That in itself raised a red flag. Also, while D1 was basically Roden vs FG, it could arguably also be Roden vs WD based on their activity and the "hostility" that was generated between them. So he's scummy for pushing Roden to the point of elim.

Other than that, I've already pointed out his bandwagoning habits which I'm pretty sure everyone is aware of at this point.

Another thing, who brought up the voting history right now? His partner,

hutmeil

, in 692. And, as I pointed out in 699, this was a double-edged sword, because

hutmeil

's voting record looks less bad only on paper.

Again, you were determined to eliminate Ali. I was not. See 706

I am town, I believe

Malakittens

is town, plus she doesn't seem aligned with either

WD

nor especially

hutmeil

whom she's been gunning after since the beginning of time. So the pool has got to be {

whiskey delta

,

hutmeil

,

Tidus of the x

}. And I think both

WD

and

hutmeil

know they're time is up, and they are gunning against each other to make the other one look cleaner Day 4.

Do not be fooled by this.

I am pretty much sold on this solve, so I will not hesitate to cast an actual vote. Do not follow me on this too easily,

WD

needs to be given a chance to explain himself and respond to this post.

VOTE: whiskey delta

VOTE: hutmeil

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I can say the same thing about you. You're voting for your partner WD, so you'll look cleaner on Day 4. I on the other hand have SRd WD since D1.

[hutmeil]

VOTE: hutmeil

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

LOL. Old scum habits die hard.

VOTE: Whiskey

[Malakittens]

Wow wd vote hoping like it’s hot

[whiskey delta]

Yes indeed. If I vote everyone I’ll get it right eventually no?

[whiskey delta]

VOTE: Tidus