Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[MathBlade]

Can we massclaim now?

No we can elim me

If I am not dead soonish I will just make some believable scum claim

Then people will vote me

[MathBlade]

It’s a matter of when we want to end the day with my flip

[Aristeia]

mathblade you do know everyone else also deserves a chance to play the game right?

can you just let people talk for a bit?

[MathBlade]

mathblade you do know everyone else also deserves a chance to play the game right?

can you just let people talk for a bit?

I did

Gamma and Titus came up with a plan

It is a great plan

Let’s do it

[Gamma Emerald]

like do i actually look like someone who is controlling mathblade

like r u serious

what a take

pretty sure you said before you managed to talk him out of scumreading you as scum before
why wouldn't you hope to replicate that?

[Aristeia]

pretty sure you said before you managed to talk him out of scumreading you as scum before
why wouldn't you hope to replicate that?

it's really hard to convince mathblade to do something.

it took literally days of arguing with him to get him to do it.

it is much easier for me to pocket literally anyone else in this game.

[Aristeia]

ok let's talk out your plan.


(1) We flip Mathblade, Mathblade flips VT
(2) Mafia shoot me, I flip Doctor
(3) Roden checks Enchant, Enchant is not Ascetic.

tommorrow we wake up

we know enchant is some kind of bulletproof, either scum or town.

we have dead doctor and dead VT.

How are we better off? We still don't know Enchant's alignment. We lose our Doc, now what?


Let's look at what happens if we follow my plan and Enchant is scum:

(1) We elim enchant, we are down to 1 scum
(2) I protect Ausuka, Ausuka JKs someone
(3) I get shot

tomm we wake up, I'm dead town doctor, Ausuka has an inno, HQ is inno from being protected on n1, mathblade is probly inno cuz he wants to murder himself

Ausuka can claim who she is targetting the next night, if she dies that person is inno too.



So explain to me why your plan is better than my plan.

[MathBlade]

A) my plan proves enchant town as they almost always get shot over HQ every time
Conf town enchant better than killable inno

And that is IF I buy enchant scum which I don’t

You’re assuming scum chant

If enchant is town then we are forced to miselim me tomorrow and if you’re town you’re dead

I am starting from the facts of no kill
And leading to the conclusion enchant town which was shot

You’re starting from enchant scum and maybe getting us an inno.

No

You’re starting from what you want versus the facts

That’s why gamma’s plan is better

[Aristeia]

A) my plan proves enchant town as they almost always get shot over HQ every time

if enchant is mafia why do they get shot over HQ?

[Gamma Emerald]

those plans aren't even comparable because a scumflip is always better than a townflip
eliminating Math!VT is always better from a mech perspective than eliminating Enchant!TPR
so the scenarios to weigh should be math!scum vs enchant!scum

[Titus]

Ari, your plan supposes you are right.

I will follow along with your plan after massclaim unless massclaim nets us a scum.

[Harley Quinn]

Math is locktown, he would never self-vote as scum unless he was being run up and there was no hope. This is 100% obvtown!Math. Anti-survivalism is his #1 towntell.

Everyone unvote Math.

[Aristeia]

enchant is literally not a TPR because bulletproof doesn't do anything and we don't know what Enchant's alignment is


Mathblade is like nearly an IC because I've never seen anyone want to kill himself this much just to "prove" he's right or whatever the hell he's doing

[MathBlade]

Ari, your plan supposes you are right.

I will follow along with your plan after massclaim unless massclaim nets us a scum.

Or we can listen to gamma

If it is me + enchant you elim me to flip enchant

If it is me + anyone else you elim me as I am good scum

We don’t have a need to mass fucking claim today

There is ZERO reason for that

[MathBlade]

Math is locktown, he would never self-vote as scum unless he was being run up and there was no hope. This is 100% obvtown!Math. Anti-survivalism is his #1 towntell.

Everyone unvote Math.

Or maybe I am incorporating that into my scum game

I hate town tells with a passion

Elim me

You know you want to

I am so annoying I have to be scum

[Titus]

Math is locktown, he would never self-vote as scum unless he was being run up and there was no hope. This is 100% obvtown!Math. Anti-survivalism is his #1 towntell.

Everyone unvote Math.

I will vote him for sanity. Don't get me wrong, I suspect he is town but he will not let us play the game.

There's a point of being insistent on your reads but it can't come at the expense of everyone else playing the game.

Ari didn't want to out the doctor until she saw she wasn't getting her way on Enchant.

Math fought to survive until he saw the people he wanted limmed weren't going to be limmed.

Gamma is the only one trying to work with people here.

Everyone else wants choices made without complete information.

[Harley Quinn]

enchant is literally not a TPR because bulletproof doesn't do anything and we don't know what Enchant's alignment is


Mathblade is like nearly an IC because I've never seen anyone want to kill himself this much just to "prove" he's right or whatever the hell he's doing

That’s 100% Math!town, he’s probably the most anti-survivalistic town player in the history of mafia.

[Titus]

I'm perfectly down to have a mechanics discussion after we force scum to put their cards on the table.

[MathBlade]

Math is locktown, he would never self-vote as scum unless he was being run up and there was no hope. This is 100% obvtown!Math. Anti-survivalism is his #1 towntell.

Everyone unvote Math.

I will vote him for sanity. Don't get me wrong, I suspect he is town but he will not let us play the game.

There's a point of being insistent on your reads but it can't come at the expense of everyone else playing the game.

Ari didn't want to out the doctor until she saw she wasn't getting her way on Enchant.

Math fought to survive until he saw the people he wanted limmed weren't going to be limmed.

Gamma is the only one trying to work with people here.

Everyone else wants choices made without complete information.

I did

You all suggested to elim me

Now that I am helping you and giving you what you wanted now I am “not letting you play the game”?

No.

That is bullshit

I cannot be left alive for scum later

[Aristeia]

Everyone else wants choices made without complete information.

because it's literally anti-town to tell scum where the doctor is

[MathBlade]

I'm perfectly down to have a mechanics discussion after we force scum to put their cards on the table.

Do it after I am dead

There is no reason to do it when scum can’t kill anyone

[Titus]

Everyone else wants choices made without complete information.

because it's literally anti-town to tell scum where the doctor is

Well we have. So can we massclaim now?

[Harley Quinn]

Math is locktown, he would never self-vote as scum unless he was being run up and there was no hope. This is 100% obvtown!Math. Anti-survivalism is his #1 towntell.

Everyone unvote Math.

Or maybe I am incorporating that into my scum game

I hate town tells with a passion

Elim me

You know you want to

I am so annoying I have to be scum

If it makes you feel any better, I would have probably sr you for doing that on d1 because different context but no way scum!anyone plays like this. Like this is not something that is ever nai.

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
now that ari is out there's zero reason not to massclaim actually

[Aristeia]

sure i guess we can just massclaim