Newbie 2096 | Nathan For You | Endgame

[humaneatingmonkey]

Vote Count 3.02

BlueBloodedToffee (2):

Corwinoid, Rad (

E-1

)

Not Voting (3):

Somnus, BlueBloodedToffee, Bellaphant

With 5 alive, it's 3 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 3 is June 23, 20:10 GMT+8

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-06-23 20:10:00)

[Rad]

Yeah yeah, not clearing anyone individually with that thought, but clearing the corwin/somnus scum team with the idea that corwin really should have waited until somnus showed up for them to hammer it. I mean, i guess scum!corwin could plant his vote here impatiently and hope scum!somnus shows up or hopes that town!Bella does it for them, but that seems like a bad idea to me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Rad you need to unvote me right now.

Corwin/Somnus win this game if you keep your vote on me.

I can't get to the game right now but fuck me, unvote.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I've been chewing on this for the last 20 minutes instead of working, and Rad, if you've completely fooled me this game then gg.

VOTE: BBT

Opportunistic vote is opportunistic.

[Rad]

UNVOTE:

fine, at least so I can think about it with Bella.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Well, that nk was guaranteed unless whiskey was scum or someone wanted to make a wifom play. Maybe scum!bbt kills town!Bella out of respect but then me and whiskey vote him today for sure. Maybe scum!bbt kills me as wifom play. But here we are with this most obvious nk so I won't bother thinking about it too deeply.

I think 1 misplaced vote on a town here opens up the potential for a double scum vote hammer yeah? For lack of a better term... I dunno if that's what it would be called.

I dunno how to play this out but I imagine I put my vote on bbt and see if the game ends.

In my old games, day would end on a timer so I never had to deal with this sort of scenario.

I can't avoid voting for bbt here. Every single town flip as thought he was scum.

VOTE: bbt

And town are infallible? Fuck me, if Whiskey really wanted to elim me he could have done it yesterday.

If Rad is scum I'm going to be really annoyed

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I need time to get to this game. A couple of hours

That was absolutely reckless if you're town Rad

[Rad]

They're not infallible, but they are confirmed town, so I take their opinions seriously. I think any of them put in my shoes right now votes for you BBT.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm doubting everything in this game. I'm clearly a little rusty, just need some time.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

They're not infallible, but they are confirmed town, so I take their opinions seriously. I think any of them put in my shoes right now votes for you BBT.

Their opinions are confirmed town opinions, sure. But they're still just that...opinions.

Town losses wouldn't be a thing otherwise, right? We could just win every game by checking what the dead townies said and following that.

[Corwinoid]

I can't get to the game right now but fuck me, unvote.

UNVOTE: I'll humor you, for now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ewwww

Opportunistic votes are opportunistic. Jumped too early

[Rad]

A town!BBT here has a massive advantage. Bella is confirmed town to him. The only teams he has to think about are: Rad/Corwin, Rad/Somnus, Corwin/Somnus

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm pretty sure it's Corwin/Somnus.

Your play towards end of D2 was extremely questionable and I don't know if I've just tried too hard to hold onto a town read.

That vote on me was extremely reckless from Town!Rad and you haven't been reckless this game at all.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Like, what was the plan? No-one is scum reading you so you thought you would just 1 on 1 the easiest elim in the game?

That was insane.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Someone tell me why Rad is town before I vote him

[Rad]

I've explained what the plan was. I'll explain again if you need me to but it'll have to wait 15-25 minutes. I'll be back around then.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Rad/Corwin doesn't make sense. Man, the BBT of 5 years ago just fucking YOLO votes your ass immediately.

What the fuck was that. There is no way that came from town

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Feel like I'm on a ledge here and need talking down. That was some fucking dumb shit if Rad is town.

If he is town he deserves to lose for that bullshit

[Somnus]

Won’t be home for quite a while. Like...evening/night my time. I’ll catch up then. I can’t really mentally go through what teams are “mathematically“ ruled out at the moment from the votes earlier until I can sit down and take a better look at it.

[Rad]

sorry 30 min and i will be back

[Rad]

OK sorry, got pulled into some things.

So, yeah, this was a gamble move. I'm town, so if you wanna think I deserve to lose for it, fine man. For me, it was a calculated gamble. Every dead town had a scum read on you. Maybe Spartan's dropped a bit by end of d1, but everyone else, strong scum read. Whiskey might even have pushed you d2 if I was less openly reluctant. I feel you're the only vote I can make at this stage and feel like I've at least voted with my town. If town!BBT died here because of my play, dead town was wrong about you and it's my fault for setting you up. I was nervous as fuck doing it too, but in the end, I think considering everyone's scum read on you, it was a reasonable play.

Maybe somnus was a bit late and corwin/somnus could have just won there. I doubt it though. I think you're probably scum, and now we have some good reads from the play.

YOLO my ass if you want BBT, if scum!somnus is paying attention to town!BBT voting for town!Rad, we lose. And for what? Because you didn't like my play? How was it even scummy? Risky sure, but scummy? Dude if I was scum this game and got this far, I would have sat back, relaxed, and just waited for that sweet hammer vote to present itself. Nope, I'm town, and we haven't flipped a scum yet, so we're desperate here. You're the most likely red flip on the board right now.

If you're town!BBT and somnus missed his shot, that means it's corwin/somnus. I know you don't have me confirmed town, so you have to consider me too, but town!BBT has Bella 100% confirmed thanks to my play, so get to convincing us that it's not you that we should flip. You may be rusty, but I'm straight town newbie. Most of my old games were scum in newbie games, and I haven't played in 8 years. All I feel comfortable using right now is logic, and that was a reasonable logic play IMO.

[Somnus]

Just a quick comment and you can take it or leave it: I’m the guy who in eLo as scum subscribes to receive e-mail alerts on the gamethread every time there’s a new post, and will sleep with my phone by my ear with the volume turned all the way up so I don’t miss a chance to quick-hammer. If I’m scum and BBT is town, this game is already over.

Anyway, I really can’t give this the proper look it deserves until much later today. As much as I’d want this game over one way or another, out of respect to everyone who has participated in the game the last 16 days, I at least owe it to them to give everything a proper look. I’m not voting today.

[Corwinoid]

Whiskey would have auto-elimmed Bella if scum!BBT, but here you're suggesting you'd work with her to think through this. Which is it mate, do you trust the reads of dead people or are you latching on to the most convenient living town to distance yourself from having to make input or take responsibility?

[Rad]

Good to know about the alerts somnus.

Corwin, Bella is only scum if she's with bbt. It's good to hear her thoughts about the game state directly because we could be looking at scum Bella in endgame 2v1. I haven't thought through what 2v1 with Bella in it looks like but additional input from her here helps regardless. I don't think Bella is an auto vote on bbt scum flip but it's certainly possible. Like I mentioned, I would read more into Bella including her past games if I end up in final stage with her. Whiskey's past thoughts would of course be taken into consideration but I'm sure he would agree here that it's not 100% Bella bbt confirmed team even if bbt flips red.