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[Isis]

Do you love them

[Aristeia]

im not as loved as faker i see how it be...

yall didnt even ask for an update on if i liked the dresses... fake friends everywhere...

hurtful towards me

[marcistar]

no LOL

LIKE I RANDOMLY GUESSED THE SIZING WITHOUT LOOKING AT HOW THE SIZING IS
IT SURPRISINGLY FITS PRETTY WELL ACTUALLY EXCEPT FOR IN ONE AREA AND IT JUST RUINS THE WHOLE VIBES

its pretty dresses tho... but yeah..

[marcistar]

im not as loved as faker i see how it be...

yall didnt even ask for an update on if i liked the dresses... fake friends everywhere...

hurtful towards me

wha how :pleading:

[Meuh]

The way the game flowed from Gamma to Beat doesn’t give me the impression either of them were scum.
Like there probably were some scum who participated in that shift, but I think they mostly just didn’t care and just settled for a mislim on whoever townies were pointing at.
Gamma shouldn’t be limmed today imo

To me, if someone wants to make a case for Gamma scum, they also have to make a case for how the Gamma -> Beat change was influenced by ill-intentioned people.
Otherwise, the circumstances make Gamma being scum pretty unlikely in my eyes

Faker/Fruit/Marci are all town tbh...

At least one scum in GL/Titus/Isis, I stand by this

Coral I could also see be scum I guess

Ari's town though, so is Cakez

Pavowski's Pavowski

Skitter uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh idk at this point

Hmm Skitter/GL/Titus/Pav are probably the scummiest players in the game

I should maybe reread stuff though

VOTE: GuiltyLion I like having my vote there, it's very comfortable
Better than on Fruit

[Isis]

How come I dropped off the second list of scummy people

Deep in your heart do you know you treasure me

[Meuh]

How come I dropped off the second list of scummy people

Deep in your heart do you know you treasure me

Basically, yeah
I was making that list and I truly asked myself "Is Isis scum?" and the answer was no

[Isis]

Loki is playing with my tiara

[Isis]

I'm gonna put it on display and remember I'm a princess

[Coral]

Meuh, that post is kinda concerning for me. It feels like you're reacting to new information, like a flip or a claim from someone you scumread, but all that's really happened is Faker replaced in. Previously, you were voting Fruit, and healing Ari/Isis/me. Now it seems your positions have changed significantly. It feels like it could be scum trying to reposition due to the change in the gamestate that a replacement brings. I am not sure what town thought process could result in that response. Can you explain more how you ended up where you are now?

pedit: okay, you're not scumreading Isis? maybe a little less of a change, then. it still feels a little off to me

[Isis]

She scumread me much earlier in the game so it could be a gravity well for her. Like. I've had games like that

[Isis]

Meuh can't b scum cause I made her laugh with a joke that is barely funny and it's even less funny for an informed player

But mostly bcos I'm treating it as my one accomplishment this game so if it was actually a scum laugh I have done nothing

[Meuh]

Meuh, that post is kinda concerning for me. It feels like you're reacting to new information, like a flip or a claim from someone you scumread, but all that's really happened is Faker replaced in. Previously, you were voting Fruit, and healing Ari/Isis/me. Now it seems your positions have changed significantly. It feels like it could be scum trying to reposition due to the change in the gamestate that a replacement brings. I am not sure what town thought process could result in that response. Can you explain more how you ended up where you are now?

pedit: okay, you're not scumreading Isis? maybe a little less of a change, then. it still feels a little off to me

I just took a moment to listen to my gut.
That post is basically just a bunch of gut reads.
Faker replacing in is fun and has given me a bit of motivation but that doesn't really change my perspective on that slot, no.

Some people are kinda surface level scummy as has been mentioned by others, but ultimately them being scum just doesn't resonate with me, deep within my soul. Like Marci, Fruit, Gamma/Faker and Cakez.

Pedit: PAVOWSKI LUIGI

[Meuh]

Also I will never get over how good this song is
https://open.spotify.com/track/4eZPjR0d ... 0741de4bf2
Like wow!

[GuiltyLion]

Meuh do you have any thoughts or things to say about like... my Gamma push right before she replaced out, or my case on Pav

I do understand people scumreading me based on my position on the Beat wagon and the way I play but kinda similar to Coral I don't really vibe with you coming back to the thread and switching back to me without even acknowledging anything I've done the past few days

if it were me I'd want to be casing active content so people can see where and why my scumread is being scummy

(Fiona Apple is great tho)

[Meuh]

Right, that's probably something I should do.
I've read every recent post of yours (and every post in this game) but I haven't like, properly absorbed most of the recent discussion
Which should probably come before committing to a vote
I mostly voted for you because I didn't like my vote being on Fruit, and I also don't like voting for no one.

[GuiltyLion]

ah actually you know that's fair cause I am nothing if not a proponent of voting a scumread >>> voting nobody

if you've read up but haven't absorbed it yet I get that, think maybe I'm just being picky cause I thought I actually had a good point on Gamma and was expecting there'd at least be something to talk about in my recent play, but your response makes sense and not playing how I expect is not necessarily scummy in this instance I think

just uh, keep me posted on if you do ultimately find anything there scummy or convincing or whatever

[Meuh]

but you weren't trying to sort, you invented a narrative where 1. Fruit was

pretending

to be apathetic about being limmed because 2. Fruit thought Ari wouldn't pick him as the lim today

and I don't see any actual evidence or reason for believing either 1 or 2 in the thread

so yeah, strikes me as reaching to create a reason to scumread Fruit rather than genuine sorting

Is what Gamma said maybe a bit of a stretch? Sure
Does it seem particularly malicious or disingenuous? Not really
Gamma generally feeling town to me doesn't really help with making this argument more compelling, either.

Sidenote but 2632 is good

2635 dunno how I feel about this reconsideration of your initial stance on Gamma. Like at first glance I see this being a townie genuinely reconsidering his perspective but then?... it also feels like self-critical scum.

2640 hmm. It's like I get where your argument against Gamma comes from here? But it feels like a mismatch. It seems like (and Gamma said it was) a vibe read and you seem to be addressing it as a fully fledged argument against Fruit.
Your reaction reads like the reaction to Gamma putting out a confident read about a scum pairing, while in reality it feels more like Gamma just had a fleeting thought about a scenario where Fruit was scum that made sense to her. and you're treating it as something more. Not sure what that means about your own alignment.

[Pavowski]

Also I will never get over how good this song is
https://open.spotify.com/track/4eZPjR0d ... 0741de4bf2
Like wow!

My absolute favorite lyricist.

And my favorite album from her.

[Meuh]

Also I will never get over how good this song is
https://open.spotify.com/track/4eZPjR0d ... 0741de4bf2
Like wow!

My absolute favorite lyricist.

And my favorite album from her.

Really good lyrics, yes!
I need to get into her older albums, I've only extensively listened to Fetch the Bolt Cutters and Idler Wheel, it's probably my favourite of the two. I think the first 7 tracks on Bolt Cutters are a smidge better than the average song on Idler Wheel, but the last 6 are a bit underwhelming comparatively.
Idler is consistently very strong.

[Isis]

Who is Fiona Apple

[Pavowski]

Extraordinary Machine has a very different sound (weird issues with the production of the album caused her to have to re-record it and I think she was bored or something) but it's also quite excellent imo. Waltz... Werewolf... Every Single Night...

I so rarely encounter other fans, it's weird, cuz she's phenomenal

[Pavowski]

Who is Fiona Apple

See =\

She's an awesome songwriter/singer/pianist from back in the 90s but she's still kickin, has about an album every 5 or 6 years cuz she's a weirdo like that

[GuiltyLion]

Is what Gamma said maybe a bit of a stretch? Sure
Does it seem particularly malicious or disingenuous? Not really

mmm this is probably a core issue of our different views

IMO it's one of the most disingenuous points made all game, any time I feel someone is inventing a narrative for why they're scumreading someone it fires all the scumdar alerts because townies just don't tend to think that way whereas every scum post pushing or casing town is an exercise in fabricating things (that you know are false) to sell a story making somebody look bad.

It's hard for me to square Gamma's post as non-malicious when the primary reason he was posting it was to shade Fruit. And I don't think it's genuine for reasons I've stated - there wasn't anything in any of Fruit's posts that should have made Gamma believe that Fruit was purposefully aware of the monarch plan, the fact that Ari was the monarch, the belief that Ari was townreading Fruit, etc. Especially considering that the whole game Fruit has not seemed to be paying attention to anything happening on pages where he is not posting.

I just don't see how Gamma would earnestly come to a conclusion that Fruit is 'comfortable' because he doesn't think he's going to be selected to be unilaterally put up for lim by Ari. Fruit wasn't saying anything about it and was basically just thread prodging. There was no sign off on the monarch plan, no response to any of the heal votes, no appeal to Ari about who to eliminate. Being confident that Fruit was aware of any of this just feels fundamentally fake.

It seems like (and Gamma said it was) a vibe read and you seem to be addressing it as a fully fledged argument against Fruit.
Your reaction reads like the reaction to Gamma putting out a confident read about a scum pairing, while in reality it feels more like Gamma just had a fleeting thought about a scenario where Fruit was scum that made sense to her. and you're treating it as something more. Not sure what that means about your own alignment.

I'm a bit confused what you mean by "pairing" here - my reaction is just about Gamma's read on fruit?

regardless, "vibe read" or no, I don't think the strength/conviction in how Gamma presented the read affects the fact that the reasoning itself is what strikes me as inherently disingenuous. Gamma was

assuming

scum!motivation to Fruit to share that 'vibe', whether he presents that as a passing thought or a full on case doesn't really change my issue with it.

[Coral]

I like Every Single Night!