Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation Game Over!

[Fidget]

In fact you are saying you don't trust Not Not Not Not Hectic's reads before flips have happened and largely before he even made most of them.

I don't think that's terribly sound reasoning to push a read further. I am not trying to nag, but you are going to have a very made-up mind before the fun really even starts at this rate.

[NotAHecticAlt]

I feel emotionally burned out despite having done literally nothing lol

Mafia

Agree with FB that Andante might be someone scum votes up early (I am not saying that I disagree with Andante as leader, I don't see any issue, but FB saying that he would probably try to WK and maybe take advantage of a tunnel is definitely something i see scum pouncing on. Plus, Andante's so likable i dont think anyone would mind.)

so in essence: choose a pool of players we'd want to kill if we had to do a vote and ranked before the next stage, that way we don't fuck ourselves over.
i myself am pro killing in ejj/loki/FB or a low/non poster

we can use hurt tags to vote on that

HURT: ejj
HURT: loki
HURT: Firebringer

Don't you think this is overkill at this stage? Why're you so eager this game, Not Not NotHectic?

i have not played a game of mafia in about a month, and I'm addicted

[Gamma Emerald]

Loki's interest in being on Andante's good side, knowing how Andante tends to play, comes off as a scum pocket in the sense that they're trying to look good by giving andante leader ? this is like strictly a preflip off seeing andante as town and noticing how loki is treating Andante, as matter of fact town who has good reads and not separate from that, if that makes sense.

ejj feels LAMISTy in like a subtle way too


so rn like preliminary scumpool is [FB/ejj/Loki] for independent reasons.

gamma/CSF had weird entrances too

>:/

[Gamma Emerald]

hectic u werent in squid game were u

my username is not a lie

need proof of this.
get a video of u and hectic in same room to prove ur not him.

I know their true ID and it isn't hectic

[NotAHecticAlt]

gamma played in my previous game on this account and I was outted that game so yeah.

[NotAHecticAlt]

pooky and hosting games where I cant actually vote people name a worse duo

[Gamma Emerald]

also that long post was a copypasta from a fun player in datisi's champs game lmfao

certainly sounds like SOMEONE I know

[Gamma Emerald]

ok ill spill why i want to be leader so bad - because i believe that leader gets nightkill immunity likely and id like that for myself.

I think leader has some ability to remove someone from the game, because the first ejection being 100% scum-led feels not-right

[Gamma Emerald]

actually maybe not
that is based on assumption of this event being most of the day phase

[NotAHecticAlt]

imagine they both just get stumped

[Gamma Emerald]

actually based on the event name "encrypted communications" they probably get a hood
pearing time hell yeah

[Radical Rat]

I think the leader gets to go back in time and kill Pooky before he hosts this game

[NotAHecticAlt]

I think the leader gets to go back in time and kill Pooky before he hosts this game

any thoughts about the game?

[Radical Rat]

Also, I thought the post cap being 150 per phase was high enough as to be largely inconsequential, but at the rate some of you are going... Yikes.

I stand by my Andante heal for now, she's overthinking things a bit, but looks plenty Town to me. Firebringer's point that he'd be electing her as scum is valid, but if scum wants to help elect a Townie as leader, I'm sure not gonna be the one to stop them.

I think Hectic is probably Town. Which is to say that the alt that ISN'T Hectic must not be. Really, just not a fan of all the grandstanding, feels like a spicy mix of LAMIST and Too Scummy To Be Scum, so they're off my list of viable leaders.

Firebringer I think is genuinely Town here, though largely gut at this point. Wouldn't want him as leader though, because while I do enjoy a good shitpost every now and then... I'd rather someone more reliable take the reins.

Ejj I could go either way on. Leaning Town for now.

Everyone else.... No terribly strong opinions on. Mildly sus of Penguin, but that's just like. A vague feeling, less than even gut.

[Radical Rat]

I think the leader gets to go back in time and kill Pooky before he hosts this game

any thoughts about the game?

Nah, not really

[Firebringer]

Firebringer I think is genuinely Town here, though largely gut at this point. Wouldn't want him as leader though, because while I do enjoy a good shitpost every now and then...

I'd rather someone more reliable

take the reins.

so insulted by this true statement

[NotAHecticAlt]

RR trying to hedge a read without appearing to do so

very creative strategy, I'll have to try it sometime

[Firebringer]

dont we all hedge. i mean ur hedging on me.
I am hedging on a secret coin flip on a few players.

Hedging keeps the game turning

[Firebringer]

hectic u werent in squid game were u

my username is not a lie

need proof of this.
get a video of u and hectic in same room to prove ur not him.

I know their true ID and it isn't hectic

im sorry but i don't even know for sure ur not hectic alt either.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have played with Hectic multiple times
You calling me a rule breaker, fucker?

[Firebringer]

U got to stop playing with yourself hectic

[Radical Rat]

If you thought I'd have super committed and confident reads a few hours into the game, then well. This probably won't be the last time I disappoint you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Leader Selection:

Andante [4]:

Radical Rat, Aisa, Loki Dokie, NotAHecticAlt

Aisa [1]:

Fidget

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Gamma Emerald

Roden [1]:

Gamma Emerald

not voting [6]:

Shoshin, Cat Scratch Fever, PenguinPower, Andante, Firebringer, Roden, ejjinami

Mod Note: Your Latest Post Containing Heals will be considered your Heals and override all previous Heals.

Event

Deadline

(expired on 2022-06-21 21:00:00)

[Aisa]

If we are concerned about Andante being leader (I haven't played with her before) that is fair enough and we can think about "leader-ing" someone else, but FWIW I think I agree with Loki's idea of trying to heal town. After all, one of the only pieces of moderator-confirmed information we have is that a town leader should be good for the town. Doing anything other than healing townreads seems equal to acting on the basis of setup speculation, and IMO would require slightly stronger justification than what we've seen so far. (P-EDIT: since I've started writing this I see this has been discussed and people mostly seem to agree with me, but eh, not gonna throw away what I've already written.)

Also, if we are concerned about putting too much power in the hands of one person there might be ways to mitigate that? For example, we could ask whoever we elect as leader to pre-commit to keeping other's votes into account. For example, if 'leader' = dayvig, we can ask them to just shoot a consensus elim. If 'leader' = can determine the pool of elims on the next day, we can ask them to put people we all suspect in the elim pool, and so on. Of course, this may not work if the leader is some sort of night-acting role.

@ejjinami

64 - if later you think of anything I can do to make your experience of playing with me better let me know, regardless of my alignment I'd like you to have a good experience in this game. But it's also ok if I just ping you and you can't explain why.

I see some discussion of my playstyle. While I'm not sure it's amazing for gamestate to get hung up on the three posts I've made so far, I also feel the urge to explain myself, so gonna stick it in a spoiler tag:

Spoiler: spoiler

she seems to be showing similar practice to me in her read formation, in a way that make me feel like she's town
I tend to also form reads pretty spontaneously as town, and the justification can be rather slim

[...]
Oh I missed that. Why are you getting bad vibes from them?

Frankly, probably just their playstyle(TLDR: possibly NAI)
The way they gave someone a town-read and asked “how likely they are to deceive her as scum” – pinged me as slightly lamist. The question makes little sense so early in the game, especially near a town-read based on 1 post
I’m not exactly treating it seriously tho
It could very easily be a playstyle clash
Or just a question to get the game started
tbh I feel kinda stupid even talking about it that much
just ignore it, I'll get stronger reads eventually

I think I rely on tone a little more than most players, so I suppose it can feel like my reads are out of nowhere to an outside observer. My internal experience is nothing like that: I can spend a fairly long time re-reading posts, trying to gauge tone, and generally agonising over which way the balance of evidence points.

The "how likely are you to deceive me as scum" question is partly an attempt to get the game started, yeah. Sometimes I like to come off slightly stronger than warranted to see how people respond.

Also, UNVOTE: , things are getting serious and I'm not ready for a serious heal yet.

I know I know I said I would leave for the rest of today. Except my friend has left me alone and bored and I am having to fend for myself and I just happened to pop by and noticed the newest vote count. I have not read the rest of the thread.
I am gonna assume unvote tags are not ok for setting my heals to no one?
If so HEAL: no one

See you tomorrow folks

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I thought this was going to be a regular game of mafia, but I can get down with this. I think I'm better at townhunting than scumhunting anyway

Do you want to be the leader?

The discussion has probably moved past setup speccing on how to nominate the best leaders by now, but I think the best way to approach the leaders is to nominate someone with a combination of towniness and good read accuracy.

So having said that, I'm a fairly meta reliant player and haven't played with like more than half of this playerlist, so I don't think I would be the best choice here.