Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation Game Over!

[Fidget]

Let's hope not. They're stacked.

[Firebringer]

what are they stacking

[Firebringer]

Andante [3]: Radical Rat, Loki Dokie, NotAHecticAlt

my instinct says one person voting andante is scum. Yet i don't scumread anyone here. It would have to be radical rat. which im like meh.

I guess my hipfire reads are fine to go with until im proven wrong.

[Firebringer]

Ejjinami [3]: NotAHecticAlt, Andante, Aisa
Aisa [2]: Fidget, Ejjinami

dont like these two leader pools either. I wonder if aisa and ejiinami cross voting each other should mean no chance of being together on team. I almost feel like looking at the two posts at each other. I am too lazy todo that.

I think i just don't want either these as leader though so thats what i don't like about this.

[Fidget]

is that even a phrase like that? I meant as in, they're especially powerful and overqualified

starting to think i made that up while playing league and thought it was actual english (some characters stack power and get stronger indefinitely). Truly.. disturbing

pedit Do you like any leader vote?

[Firebringer]

is that even a phrase like that? I meant as in, they're especially powerful and overqualified

starting to think i made that up while playing league and thought it was actual english (some characters stack power and get stronger indefinitely). Truly.. disturbing

pedit Do you like any leader vote?

i was just playing dumb it is a phrase and i understood u.

I like my leader votes. Also andante on RR but only because i find it pretty spicy, if it got alot more support i might actually dislike it.

Side note: Cat scratch has been pretty underwhelming here even if the game only been going for like 15 pages. It already feels like filling in noise and avoiding engaging in deeper player analysis. Specifically talking about the theory talk.

Cat scratch where u at and where is the cat scratch i night killed in that one game because i thought u were a threat

[Firebringer]

Last blurb on spec I promise

but the role pm says we have our voice and vote, but glaringly missing from it is that there's nothing about voting out players from the game, which makes me think the leaders probably have control over the lims. So yeah, I strongly suspect read accuracy will matter.

That is never going to happen and if it does i hope they get 186 as well

Never say never but yeah that would be kind of unfun

Another theory I have is they get special PR-like abilities based on what I'm reading about John Connor in the Terminator Wiki lol

elim this dirty cat liar

[Fidget]

Oh I healed Aisa on a whim because i thought she was sort of towny and I was having trouble parsing the entire length of her posts. Or something as similarly shallow. I guess that doesn't make me exempt from judgement though.

I'm not sure the heals are going to mean much although fwiw I do sort of agree about RR even if it's somewhat coincidentally.

Now that I'm thinking about Aisa. I like their posts for how reasonable they are. I appreciate them taking the time to explain why what I was saying was wrong (even if I disagree partly). They're a mediator already multiple times I can see, it's very pro town, very conducive to getting to where we need.

pedit: God damn it FB

[Firebringer]

don't worry fidget i don't suspect u at all. u are outside my radar of scum suspicion.

[Fidget]

I think your votes N-Hect and Loki are both probably town although im not sure I want that combination.

I'm going to share my new bright idea: N-Hectic isn't that towny early, but a lot of players I don't read kindly auto townread N-Hect so therefore gamestate, blablablabla n-Hectic is town. Plus, the game is less of a headache that way

I don't have any reasoning to think Loki is town. But I felt Loki was town earlier though. Skimming, it's like every post of Loki's is about that N-Hect confusion. Oh but I very much echo his take that N-Hect wasn't screaming town, I kinda like this in hindsight:

Yeah, I really don’t understand what he’s done that screams town to anyone? I don’t currently sr him but I don’t think he’s done anything at all ai so far.

Pretty sure that's the post I was skeptical of earlier but aside from the bit about not trusting their reads, I kinda see where Loki is coming from.

I dunno. Loki definitely had the same misinterpretation of Not Hectic's peng read as I did, for whatever that is worth. Doesn't really matter that much now.

don't worry fidget i don't suspect u at all. u are outside my radar of scum suspicion.

concealing sweat towel

ha, naturally

[Fidget]

GTH Gamma/Aisa/N-Hect/EJJ/Loki are at the top for me. IDK if Aisa and Gamma are as strong of reads.

Probably put at least the most of that into words by now. I suspect RR and Shoshin currently as fairly boring as that take is. There's like Cat Scratch, Pengu, FB, Roden who're all still wildcards. I didn't mention Andante.

Andante... I just have this mythical impression of I suppose. Bits and fragments I've heard here and there but I don't really know what she plays like. I don't know how to interpret her opening refusal of leader for say, or whether her posting style varies between alignments, I guess. It's one I'd probably be drawn towards townreading because it comes off very genuine off of the cuff.

[Loki Dokie]

I don’t see why you view my asking Andante if she really doesn’t want to be leader, I would unneal her, “performative”?

Because I did that right after Roden made his post saying pretty much that or did you somehow miss that?
Like how do you have this take and completely ignore that?

Here @ejjanami

Tell me how I wasn’t being “honest” again, I’ll wait.

Mmm
yeah sorry, I did miss that post. It makes sense.

Frankly, I hated the response at first but that it might have been my fault. Let’s talk about it, this wasn’t the only post I got that vibe from, I just used that one as an example.
Your attitude seems performative to me in general.
Besides a rather high self esteem and caring A LOT about what people think of you, I fail to see a personality through your posts.

There is no conclusion about alignment in my reasoning and I’m not trying to do so, so if you’re looking for anything game-progressive, feel free to skip reading this post. Placing it in a spoiler.

Spoiler:

Why are we voting heals based only off a few posts? I like the reasoning behind the heals but the game just literally started.

why aren't u healing?

Because I haven’t decided yet obviously. Why are you asking me that when you haven’t either?

I don’t want anyone to be leader who is campaigning that hard for it. Feel free to sr me for that.

The personality you showed at the beginning of the game and the one later on don’t match up.
beginning of the game- you used short sentences as if playing a person with a no bullshit / straight to the point mindset.

Later on- when I and Andante were thunderdoming- you largely ignored it-

[...] but I think the most important criteria should be confidence in the player’s alignment and I’m healing my #1 tr unless someone can explain a better reason for that vote.

Why is it sus to heal my most confident tr?

Do you have a better criteria for whom should be healed?

You seemed happy to talk about things that were related to your confidence (andante being town, you being town, people being wrong for suspecting you)- yet completely ignored doing annoying but helpful chores – like- clearing up the misunderstanding.
I also found it interesting how confident you acted in Andante’s scum-hunting ability… while she was scum-reading me for misunderstandings which you DID notice. So at the same time you were town-reading both me and andante, andante was scum-reading me, you noticed that “the quarrel is dumb“ – yet praised Andante’s scum-hunting ability for reasons you saw were incorrect.

To be clear- I’m not criticizing the behavior, I’m currently not reading it. I’m stating it as a fact.

First off, I really really really hate the post cap thingie. I love to post spontaneously but when I didn’t read aboit the post cap in Happy Face, I nearly ran out of posts on d1. Why do you hate us so much @Pooky?

you started shitposting after that, which is a good indication that you felt pretty chill despite your town-reads trying to kill each other

What I got from that progression – your own feeling of confidence and maintaining the image of a professional/lofty/above the earthly matters – is what you personally aim for. As long as you feel confident and strong, you will personally feel “good” and feel less motivated to engage despite townies killing each other. You may also intentionally phrase your posts to achieve some sort of effect (like you did at the beginning of the game and when defending Andante)
Again- just a reminder- this is my impression of you. I know it sounds provocative and probably very rude- it’s just the way I phrase things in my head.

What strengthens the view that you may put in a lot of effort to look “strong”, is the way you respond to pressure. Firstly, you tend to react intensely to scum-reads and till now- always attack back, regardless if that person is someone you consider an ally or not.

why aren't u healing?

Because I haven’t decided yet obviously. Why are you asking me that when you haven’t either?

loki frozen and crying in scumchat

This is an extreme reaction to my post since I am nowhere even remotely “frozen”.

Back to thinking you’re scum again.

I don’t have a read on asia yet and I don’t see why you view my asking Andante if she really doesn’t want to be leader, I would unneal her, “performative”?

Because I did that right after Roden made his post saying pretty much that or did you somehow miss that?
Like how do you have this take and completely ignore that?

^ normally, there is a big difference whether one responds an “ally” or “enemy” and that’s what I’d expect from a player. It makes sense to think of an ally scum-reading you as more of “an misunderstanding” and of an enemy as “an attack”.

I don’t get that from your posts.

“or did you

somehow

miss that? Like how do you have this take

and completely ignore that

?”

imo, that’s not an attitude of a person trying to “help an ally get on the right track”
You respond to all scum-reads as to “personal attacks”.

Again, I’m not judging. This is just an observation. It felt like either your ego was hurt because of the scum-read (sorry in that case, and sorry for phrasing it that way) – to the point where the identity of the one who criticized you didn’t matter (that would support the theory that appearance matters A LOT to you)
ooooor that you don’t consider me an “ally” despite me being a town-read and were just trying to pressure me into backing off. (again, being performative for a different reason)

I’m currently putting off determining which conclusion is correct.

If you want me to phrase it differently- I got the impression that you are verbally deceptive, you care a lot about your image and put in effort to maintain that, not necessarily as a way to push an agenda, just as a way to feel good about yourself. Usually it’s harder to read players when they’re playing a role regardless of alignment
Frankly speaking I feel like if this continues, we may clash eventually regardless of alignment. That’s why, if you’re able to deal with being imperfect and controlling your tone less, it would surely help me read you.
If not- then not.

Frankly, I don’t know why I’m ever saying that. Askign a player to change their playstyle has never worked so far and I’d be dumb to assume that it will.
let me just say that I just don’t like this lol
And probably shut up

(you don’t have to respond to this post btw. This is MY impression. It’s not about alignment. Frankly, I may be kinda glad if you do ignore it cuz I feel like I might just be getting into a giant fight and I’m not really up to that)
(just you know, what I wrote is neutral to me. Frankly speaking if I were to describe myself as a person, it would look similarly illogical xd … so yeah…)

To sum this up, I have very little tolerance when I know for a that my words are beung egregiously being misconstrued. I won’t deny all of the ego and combative parts, which are probably true and I’m working really hard to change that. And I get that this is a game of social deception and I’m not entitled to be tr until at least a blatantly obvtown but I am never going to apologize for getting rightfully salty imo for being called either dishonest or now “verbally deceptive” when with all due respect I know that is absolute bs.

And yes I care about being tr, since I am town and while I am extremely rarely miselimed in regular games and while the number of post cap games I have played in is infinitesimally small. I have been miselimed in almost every single one if them because one of my town tells is tone and my having to constantly worry about that is interfering with that.

So you’re perfectly welcome to wrongly sr read me here if you do?, that is on you but if you wrongly accuse me of things like dishonestesty or being verbally deceptive when I know that isn’t rven remotely the case, I will come at you or anyone else who does that really fucking hard.

That said, my read on you hasn’t changed despite you clearly being incapable of reading my true thought process behind my posts. That is in no way intended to be an insult and if it’s coming out like thqt I apologize but you’re not exactly making it easy for me by pretty much coming extremely close to calling me a liar abd if you think I’m over reacting to that, than switch places with me and honestly tell me you’d be okay with that when you know it isn’t true.

So we may possibly have a playstyle clash here. But I’m always going to jump on anyone in any game who wrongly accuses me of either dishonesty or deceptiveness. You are free to dislike me for that but so long as I don’t cross the line with my reaction, I don’t feel I’m in the wrong here.

I don’t know what more to say. I still think you’re town but if you cannot tell that what you’re saying about me is so very wrong, I probably won’t be healing you despite agreeing with all of the trs on you. That said, I am lowkey possibly suspicious that NAHA could possibly be pocketing you in large part because you switched your read on me. If NAFA is scum here and I’m still on the fence about that, then you need to know that they are absolutely terrified of town!me, so much so that they did everything possible to kill me the last time they were scum.

I would really like to work with you but that can’t happen as long as you’re essentially wrongly accusing me of
lying.

Andante had extremely good reads in that Neighbour game I linked, so I feel that estimation of her scumhunting abilities is accurate. I posted that link so you can gauge that for yourself.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Leader Selection:

Ejjinami [4]:

NotAHecticAlt, Andante, Aisa, Fidget

Andante [3]:

Radical Rat, Loki Dokie, NotAHecticAlt

NotAHecticAlt [2]:

Roden, Firebringer

Aisa [1]:

Ejjinami

Radical Rat [1]:

Andante

Loki Dokie [1]:

Firebringer

not voting [4]:

Shoshin, Cat Scratch Fever, PenguinPower, Gamma Emerald

Mod Note: PenguinPower has been prodded

Event

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-06-21 21:00:00)

[ejjinami]

The game state is worrying me a bit.
I don’t exactly feel any agenda in the people voting and besides firebringer (who’s healing vanity wagons and literally can’t be pushing an agenda) and Loki (who’s talking about it)- people seem to be just chill with whatever happens :/
The first conclusion my brain wants to make is that scum either gave up and there’s no difference between the alignment of those who’re currently the top heals (me, andante, aisa)??? tho frankly, I had to convince myself that it makes sense before seriously writing it down
The same thing happened early on when everyone simultaneously agreed that cat scratch and roden are good candidates

Gun to the head- scum may be aiming for town-creed
Or town already is healing scum so it’s safe to act in reverse

I don’t have a lot of time to think tbh, I’m just ranting, have to dip soon

@hectic why cat scratch over aisa?

(Self-Note to comment on the read on rat in [p]294[/p])

@FB why not vote andante then?
Frankly, I am considering hectic as well tho i doubt my train of thought rn is determined by logic

@loki sorry xd
I don’t have time to discuss formalities.
I’m down for talking about hectic tho.
who do you want to heal?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Also, I thought the post cap being 150 per phase was high enough as to be largely inconsequential, but at the rate some of you are going... Yikes.

yeah... like 150 is a max, and it feels like people are doing everything in their power to ensure they hit 150.. like people, SLOW DOWN please, this game doubled in size overnight...

If you thought I'd have super committed and confident reads a few hours into the game, then well. This probably won't be the last time I disappoint you

I think you're good thus far!! lol I mean, half the table is doing nothing, so then options for leaders are smaller.. and uhh NAHA is spamming, and yeah.. that's about all there is, so I think what you have is great!

<snip>

Meh that's good enough for now, I'm like getting sick IRL, it's great, but yeah I had a partner read I don't remember who, it was fidget and someone... ahhh should've just written it down. whelp yeah.

HEAL: Radical Rat
HEAL: ejjinami

I think those 2 are good to heal though

What? What has Radical Rat done so far this game that's really pushed the game forward and made them town enough for one of your two heals?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Also, I thought the post cap being 150 per phase was high enough as to be largely inconsequential, but at the rate some of you are going... Yikes.

I stand by my Andante heal for now, she's overthinking things a bit, but looks plenty Town to me. Firebringer's point that he'd be electing her as scum is valid, but if scum wants to help elect a Townie as leader, I'm sure not gonna be the one to stop them.

I think Hectic is probably Town. Which is to say that the alt that ISN'T Hectic must not be. Really, just not a fan of all the grandstanding, feels like a spicy mix of LAMIST and Too Scummy To Be Scum, so they're off my list of viable leaders.

Firebringer I think is genuinely Town here, though largely gut at this point. Wouldn't want him as leader though, because while I do enjoy a good shitpost every now and then... I'd rather someone more reliable take the reins.

Ejj I could go either way on. Leaning Town for now.

Everyone else.... No terribly strong opinions on. Mildly sus of Penguin, but that's just like. A vague feeling, less than even gut.

This is like the meatiest post in their ISO

and it's like a TR on Andante, one maybe scumread on Definitely Not Hectic, a gutread, and a weak TR

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I am superbly lost this game
HEAL: no one
I still have certain mech thoughts but reads-wise I feel like I am behind

This rings town because same tbh

[Cat Scratch Fever]

elim this dirty cat liar

but I make no promises that I will refrain from angleshooty logic

[Cat Scratch Fever]

HEAL: Ejjinami

L-1

HEAL: NotHecticAlt

I kind of skimmed over some walls on the previous page, but I want to be healing somewhere.

Ejji has just seemed town, and additionally I don't think they would make their latest post about the gamestate if they were scum, since they're poised to be leader.

NotHectic I'm vibing with some of their reads like on Rat, and like how they seem to be re-calibrating their reads constantly with new info like with their PP read

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btw I'm sick, so advance warning, my activity may be irregular over the next few days

[Cat Scratch Fever]

PenguinPower - The grifter. Would sell five people the same bridge. That he has no rights to sell.
Shoshin - The illusionist Makes you think she isn't here even when her name is clearly in the player list.
Ejjinami - The brains of the operation. Will play 3d chess all around you while you are playing 1d chess.

why are you scumreading ejjinami?

and the fact that they're likely to be leader, does that worry you at all?

[Aisa]

HEAL: ejjinami <- was already healing
HEAL: Cat Scratch Fever <- new

I feel like I should do something. I think this is a good time to start thinking more concretely and practically about who to elect.

I still endorse ejjinami as leader. It's a relatively confident tr at this point, and I don't really see myself re-evaluating before deadline unless something drastic happens. This is really a good time to say something if anyone has reservations on ejjinami.

The second heal is tentative. I think CSF's posting has shown engagement with the game and a solvey attitude. Her latest posts in particular seem pro-town in the way they advance the gamestate. I think I've also seen others mention they townlean her, so I think there is a chance of getting a consensus election on her. Anyone wanna join me here?

I could consider Fidget if people think that's a better option. I could be persuaded on Andante or NotHectic, but I think both carry some real risk, so I think I would need some actual persuasion or something notable to happen.

The game state is worrying me a bit.
[...]

I feel the same way, which is why I'm a bit worried about Andante and NotHectic. If we're worried about scum looking for towncred I think those are two good places to look.

[Radical Rat]

Intent to hammer Ejj if there are no major objections

[Radical Rat]

I'm going to also say that the people shading shoshin are slightly more suspicious than they were before doing that.

They literally have not posted whatsoever. That's just a flake to me, and probably not AI unless they have a history of doing this as scum.

[Andante]

Also, I thought the post cap being 150 per phase was high enough as to be largely inconsequential, but at the rate some of you are going... Yikes.

yeah... like 150 is a max, and it feels like people are doing everything in their power to ensure they hit 150.. like people, SLOW DOWN please, this game doubled in size overnight...

If you thought I'd have super committed and confident reads a few hours into the game, then well. This probably won't be the last time I disappoint you

I think you're good thus far!! lol I mean, half the table is doing nothing, so then options for leaders are smaller.. and uhh NAHA is spamming, and yeah.. that's about all there is, so I think what you have is great!

<snip>

Meh that's good enough for now, I'm like getting sick IRL, it's great, but yeah I had a partner read I don't remember who, it was fidget and someone... ahhh should've just written it down. whelp yeah.

HEAL: Radical Rat
HEAL: ejjinami

I think those 2 are good to heal though

What? What has Radical Rat done so far this game that's really pushed the game forward and made them town enough for one of your two heals?

I mean, 188 was pretty good, Rat seems towny, thinking logically, I have no issue with rat and ejj being the leaders

[Radical Rat]

Could I ask you to take your post one step further though? "NotHectic does not seem genuine and I cannot explain why" is not exactly a committal statement. Can you try to explain what about it comes off as not genuine?

It feels targeted and deliberate. Like he's pushing for direct goals and each post is an attempt to make a specific thing happen. Or at least each group of posts.

Ejj on the other hand feels like actual thought processes, and while a lot of that drive is there, it feels more motivated than calculated.