Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation Game Over!

[Andante]

The game state is worrying me a bit.
I don’t exactly feel any agenda in the people voting and besides firebringer (who’s healing vanity wagons and literally can’t be pushing an agenda) and Loki (who’s talking about it)- people seem to be just chill with whatever happens :/
The first conclusion my brain wants to make is that scum either gave up and there’s no difference between the alignment of those who’re currently the top heals (me, andante, aisa)??? tho frankly, I had to convince myself that it makes sense before seriously writing it down
The same thing happened early on when everyone simultaneously agreed that cat scratch and roden are good candidates

ehh I mean, yeah gamestate is kinda odd for sure, but there was like NAHA just spamming for the sake of spamming and I don't even recall what else, and when games so large so fast, it's just hard to really stay on top of everything, I've been busy/sick IRL thus the daily check ins, but as far as I can see reads really aren't changing for me. umm fire is likely town, you're town, rat is town, I don't feel great about anyone else tbh, but no one is doing anything to really convince me of different reads, and I don't think we're voting anyone out in this phase, so yeah. I've said I want ejj and Rat as leaders, people apparantly have an issue with Rat? so yeah that's that

[PenguinPower]

I'm here and will catch up. Sorry - father's day was busier than anticipated.

[Loki Dokie]

The game state is worrying me a bit.
I don’t exactly feel any agenda in the people voting and besides firebringer (who’s healing vanity wagons and literally can’t be pushing an agenda) and Loki (who’s talking about it)- people seem to be just chill with whatever happens :/
The first conclusion my brain wants to make is that scum either gave up and there’s no difference between the alignment of those who’re currently the top heals (me, andante, aisa)??? tho frankly, I had to convince myself that it makes sense before seriously writing it down
The same thing happened early on when everyone simultaneously agreed that cat scratch and roden are good candidates

Gun to the head- scum may be aiming for town-creed
Or town already is healing scum so it’s safe to act in reverse

I don’t have a lot of time to think tbh, I’m just ranting, have to dip soon

@hectic why cat scratch over aisa?

(Self-Note to comment on the read on rat in [p]294[/p])

@FB why not vote andante then?
Frankly, I am considering hectic as well tho i doubt my train of thought rn is determined by logic

@loki sorry xd
I don’t have time to discuss formalities.
I’m down for talking about hectic tho.
who do you want to heal?

Well still Andante, maybe Fidget? I’ve really liked her recent posting. I also agree with whomever thinks Gamma’s probably town here. I played with scum!Gamma in a comparible setup and he didn’t play anything like this.

Well in Witch Hunt they relentlessly deathtunnelled me, called me “caught scum” before I ever made a single post and post-game admitted to “fear-killing” me at night multiple times. Mech and saved me twice I believe.

It’s hard to tell because I really don’t understand how town!NAFA could still have me in their PoE but they’re not deathtunnelling me either.

That reaction test, I really don’t know what to make of it. Fake or genuine?

In Anything uPick they were bleeding obvtown right out of the gate, so Idk but if scum, I could see NAFA switching to healing you for switching your read on me.

I’m also wondering about Roden, nothing particular stands out for me other than he mentioned that you, me and Gamma were tls but he voted NAFA because Andante was att tr them.

But I’m usually paranoid about Roden. Wrt RR, he is always scummy irrespective of alignment. It’s the degree that makes that ai.

I have no idea rn who is scum but Andante is an absolute townlock and think you’re town and feel pretty good about fidget.

Beyond that I really have no clue. Sorry if that wasn’t terribly helpful.

[Loki Dokie]

I'm going to also say that the people shading shoshin are slightly more suspicious than they were before doing that.

They literally have not posted whatsoever. That's just a flake to me, and probably not AI unless they have a history of doing this as scum.

They literally haven’t posted anywhere on site since June 12th.

I prefer Andante and Fidget but not opposed to Eijj. Need more convincing on RR but don’t really understand the suspicion on him either.

I rn have major reservations about a NAHA wagon since I’m still on the fence about their alignment.

So that’s probably the only one I think I’d actually object to.

[NotAHecticAlt]

I changed my mind I want to strictly be leader again.

Anyone who opposes it i want detailed reasons because I can actually do well in setups like this with unknown mechs.
Loki- idk if you know this, but my PoE is not "bottom5" or whatever arbitrary number.

And andante please stop blatanrly misrepresenting me.
I will mass quote all the posts that aren't "spam" for you and if you want to talk spamming stuff i should bring up one of your own towngames.

Honestly?
HEAL: ejj
HEAL: csf

I also changed my mind on giving andante mech control too.
If you are going to accuse me of "pointless spamming", when

I think RR is pretty much obviously scum and shoshin probably scum by PoE of me having some degree of townread everywhere else.

I'm *not* having control wrested from me because i need to play nice to not have the game screwed over.

The sheer fact so many people are circling to put me in PoE makes me feel there is at least 1 scum there potentially aiming to silence me because i do play well and yes loki that is why you are that low.

[NotAHecticAlt]

I will state I have a good record on killing 0 posting slot scum correctly btw -

And now i am out again until hopefully next stage so i keep my posts

[Aisa]

You just hammered ejj and I'm not sure you noticed. My preference would have been to wait though it's probably arguable the gamestate was heading in this direction for at least 24 hours and no one has done much to stop this. Not sure I blame you. The whole affair actually screams town to me rn.

I don't have time to write a more detailed reply than this at the moment.

[NotAHecticAlt]

No my vote was already on ejj, it isnt hammer

[Fidget]

The game state is worrying me a bit.
I don’t exactly feel any agenda in the people voting and besides firebringer (who’s healing vanity wagons and literally can’t be pushing an agenda) and Loki (who’s talking about it)- people seem to be just chill with whatever happens :/
The first conclusion my brain wants to make is that scum either gave up and there’s no difference between the alignment of those who’re currently the top heals (me, andante, aisa)??? tho frankly, I had to convince myself that it makes sense before seriously writing it down
The same thing happened early on when everyone simultaneously agreed that cat scratch and roden are good candidates

I worry you might be reading too deeply into this phase. There's no guarantee that scum is really going to vie for this leadership thing, and if they do, they might've done it as town too.

I do not feel this can be read as deeply into as a clear cut vote to chop would.

Meh that's good enough for now, I'm like getting sick IRL, it's great, but yeah I had a partner read I don't remember who, it was fidget and someone... ahhh should've just written it down. whelp yeah.

HEAL: Radical Rat
HEAL: ejjinami

I think those 2 are good to heal though

What? What has Radical Rat done so far this game that's really pushed the game forward and made them town enough for one of your two heals?

Good question.

I am superbly lost this game
HEAL: no one
I still have certain mech thoughts but reads-wise I feel like I am behind

This rings town because same tbh

Yeah exactly.

I'm going to also say that the people shading shoshin are slightly more suspicious than they were before doing that.

They literally have not posted whatsoever. That's just a flake to me, and probably not AI unless they have a history of doing this as scum.

They do.

I mean, 188 was pretty good, Rat seems towny, thinking logically, I have no issue with rat and ejj being the leaders

Hmmm

They literally haven’t posted anywhere on site since June 12th.

Oh, kk then.

I changed my mind I want to strictly be leader again.

Anyone who opposes it i want detailed reasons because I can actually do well in setups like this with unknown mechs.

You always take a break from trying to take the driver's seat every time. You sound like a tape recorder stuck on repeat.

[Fidget]

You

could*

always take a break from trying to take the driver's seat every time. You sound like a tape recorder stuck on repeat.

[Loki Dokie]

I changed my mind I want to strictly be leader again.

Anyone who opposes it i want detailed reasons because I can actually do well in setups like this with unknown mechs.
Loki- idk if you know this, but my PoE is not "bottom5" or whatever arbitrary number.

And andante please stop blatanrly misrepresenting me.
I will mass quote all the posts that aren't "spam" for you and if you want to talk spamming stuff i should bring up one of your own towngames.

Honestly?
HEAL: ejj
HEAL: csf

I also changed my mind on giving andante mech control too.
If you are going to accuse me of "pointless spamming", when

I think RR is pretty much obviously scum and shoshin probably scum by PoE of me having some degree of townread everywhere else.

I'm *not* having control wrested from me because i need to play nice to not have the game screwed over.

The sheer fact so many people are circling to put me in PoE makes me feel there is at least 1 scum there potentially aiming to silence me because i do play well and yes loki that is why you are that low.

??????

Are you actually not reading my posts? Shoshin hasn’t literally posted ANYWHERE on site since she /inned for this game on June 12th.

I am that low because if you’re scum here you need me dead. And you putting no poster in your PoE who hasn’t posted ANYWHERE on site is EXACTLY what you did to me in Witch Hunt.

[Loki Dokie]

Leader Selection:

Ejjinami [4]:

NotAHecticAlt, Andante, Aisa, Fidget

Andante [3]:

Radical Rat, Loki Dokie, NotAHecticAlt

NotAHecticAlt [2]:

Roden, Firebringer

Aisa [1]:

Ejjinami

Radical Rat [1]:

Andante

Loki Dokie [1]:

Firebringer

not voting [4]:

Shoshin, Cat Scratch Fever, PenguinPower, Gamma Emerald

Mod Note: PenguinPower has been prodded

Event

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-06-21 21:00:00)

Is it possible I’ve just solved the game and the scumteam is actually NAFA, Roden, FB?

Because NAFA is pinging my scumdar off of the goddamned charts now.

HEAL: Fidget

I prefer Andante, Fidget, okay with Eijj, Aisa, RR, probably anyone but those 3.

[NotAHecticAlt]

Loki being this ignorant and not tmi-ing me town is town indicative and this is going to be an annoying game

[NotAHecticAlt]

I. Have. More. Townleans and townreads. Than. You. Are. Claiming. I. Do.

[NotAHecticAlt]

It is terrible play to assume a non poster is town. That is how you want me to play. I will not. I will sooner eliminate the 0 poster and expect it to flip scum over most of the rest of the playerlist

[Loki Dokie]

Loki being this ignorant and not tmi-ing me town is town indicative and this is going to be an annoying game

I obvtown read you in Squid game correctly and got sucked into briefly grtting pocketed by you disagreeing with Guillo in Witch Hunt. I really don’t care whether you tr me or not. You putting a no poster in your PoE who hasn’t posted since June 12th - well before Pooky handed out role pms - is suspicious as hell.

It is terrible play to assume a non poster is town. That is how you want me to play. I will not. I will sooner eliminate the 0 poster and expect it to flip scum over most of the rest of the playerlist

Where did I assume that? Fact: there exists no evidence anywhere that Shoshin posted anywhere on site since she /inned for this game.

I was in a game with scum RC and he hardpushed her slot as scum for being a no poster. Turned out the slot was actually town and Shoshin was a no show due to having had internet issues.

If a poster hasn’t been onsite since June 12th, it likely means that she never picked up her role pm, so the only correct read on her slot logically can only be a null.

[NotAHecticAlt]

Leader Selection:

Andante [2]:

Radical Rat, Loki Dokie,

Aisa [2]:

Fidget, Ejjinami,

Ejjinami [2]:

NotAHecticAlt, Andante

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Gamma Emerald

Roden [1]:

Gamma Emerald

NotAHecticAlt [1]:

Roden

Radical Rat [1]:

Andante

not voting [5]:

Shoshin, Cat Scratch Fever, PenguinPower, Firebringer, Aisa

Mod Note: Your Latest Post Containing Heals will be considered your Heals and override all previous Heals.
Hurt Tags do not do anything.
Shoshin has been prodded

Event

Deadline

(expired on 2022-06-21 21:00:00)

You dont prod a player who didnt respond to their role pm ^^^^^
Please stop skimming and actually read. (Ironic i know)

[NotAHecticAlt]

You are tunneling me based on misinterpretations and false assumptions. Do better, I know you can

[Loki Dokie]

Leader Selection:

Andante [2]:

Radical Rat, Loki Dokie,

Aisa [2]:

Fidget, Ejjinami,

Ejjinami [2]:

NotAHecticAlt, Andante

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Gamma Emerald

Roden [1]:

Gamma Emerald

NotAHecticAlt [1]:

Roden

Radical Rat [1]:

Andante

not voting [5]:

Shoshin, Cat Scratch Fever, PenguinPower, Firebringer, Aisa

Mod Note: Your Latest Post Containing Heals will be considered your Heals and override all previous Heals.
Hurt Tags do not do anything.
Shoshin has been prodded

Event

Deadline

(expired on 2022-06-21 21:00:00)

You dont prod a player who didnt respond to their role pm ^^^^^
Please stop skimming and actually read. (Ironic i know)

Okay you do have a point but I was also prodded in WH, probably twice I think? and I was town, so the point still is we don’t know. If you’re claiming I think she’s town, I never said that. We have no way of knowing if she got scum and went MIA or had internet issues after that. That slot will probably get replaced and then we’ll actually have something to base it on.

Oh and I also hard tr you in RC’s game, so I don’t think there even exists a game where I was scum and you town? So where you’re getting this I’m town because I didn’t tmi you town has never actually happened.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Leader Selection:

Ejjinami [5]:

NotAHecticAlt, Andante, Aisa, Fidget, Cat Scratch Fever

NotAHecticAlt [3]:

Roden, Firebringer, Cat Scratch Fever

Cat Scratch Fever [2]:

Aisa, NotAHecticAlt

Andante [1]:

Radical Rat

Aisa [1]:

Ejjinami

Radical Rat [1]:

Andante

Loki Dokie [1]:

Firebringer

Fidget [1]:

Loki Dokie

not voting [3]:

Shoshin, PenguinPower, Gamma Emerald

Mod Note: Searching for a Replacement for Shoshin, she may continue to play if she posts before I find a replacement

Event

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-06-21 21:00:00)

[NotAHecticAlt]

Leader Selection:

Andante [2]:

Radical Rat, Loki Dokie,

Aisa [2]:

Fidget, Ejjinami,

Ejjinami [2]:

NotAHecticAlt, Andante

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Gamma Emerald

Roden [1]:

Gamma Emerald

NotAHecticAlt [1]:

Roden

Radical Rat [1]:

Andante

not voting [5]:

Shoshin, Cat Scratch Fever, PenguinPower, Firebringer, Aisa

Mod Note: Your Latest Post Containing Heals will be considered your Heals and override all previous Heals.
Hurt Tags do not do anything.
Shoshin has been prodded

Event

Deadline

(expired on 2022-06-21 21:00:00)

You dont prod a player who didnt respond to their role pm ^^^^^
Please stop skimming and actually read. (Ironic i know)

Okay you do have a point but I was also prodded in WH, probably twice I think? and I was town, so the point still is we don’t know. If you’re claiming I think she’s town, I never said that. We have no way of knowing if she got scum and went MIA or had internet issues after that. That slot will probably get replaced and then we’ll actually have something to base it on.

Oh and I also hard tr you in RC’s game, so I don’t think there even exists a game where I was scum and you town? So where you’re getting this I’m town because I didn’t tmi you town has never actually happened.

We hydrad together and i also replaced into a game where you flipped scum (the botched backup claim)
So no, i am not making things up.
I am town here so im going to have logical answers to all your accusations

[ejjinami]

fidget’s read on rat - 294 - self-reminder nr 2. Later.


I feel good about rat. They’re deliberately choosing what to talk about (they only seem to talk about something if they consider it important) and the things they did consider important so far are purely pro-town.

Also, I thought the post cap being 150 per phase was high enough as to be largely inconsequential, but at the rate some of you are going... Yikes.

I stand by my Andante heal for now, she's overthinking things a bit, but looks plenty Town to me. Firebringer's point that he'd be electing her as scum is valid, but if scum wants to help elect a Townie as leader, I'm sure not gonna be the one to stop them.

I think Hectic is probably Town. Which is to say that the alt that ISN'T Hectic must not be. Really, just not a fan of all the grandstanding, feels like a spicy mix of LAMIST and Too Scummy To Be Scum, so they're off my list of viable leaders.

Firebringer I think is genuinely Town here, though largely gut at this point. Wouldn't want him as leader though, because while I do enjoy a good shitpost every now and then... I'd rather someone more reliable take the reins.

Ejj I could go either way on. Leaning Town for now.

Everyone else.... No terribly strong opinions on. Mildly sus of Penguin, but that's just like. A vague feeling, less than even gut.

They had the courage to go against the flow (SR on hectic; TR on FB – considered those reads important); yet they mention them only “by chance” and use their energy&vote to heal (probably) town leaders (me, andante)

Ejj feels like the Town version of The Alt (not) Formerly Known As Hectic.

Like, they're similarly hyperposting, both coming off as somewhat arrogant, and tinged with LAMIST.... But for reasons I can't quite articulate, Ejj's posting seems genuine, while citceH's doesn't.

Intent to hammer Ejj if there are no major objections

I'm going to also say that the people shading shoshin are slightly more suspicious than they were before doing that.

They literally have not posted whatsoever. That's just a flake to me, and probably not AI unless they have a history of doing this as scum.

focusing on pro-town stuff.
Ignoring players who COULD be healed, there are arguments for picking them, and may possibly be scum (fidget, aisa, loki, hectic)

This feels like a townie mindset
Or at the very least – unless they are precisely scum with andante- they are town-siding right now, showing no interest in talking about others despite having the guts to do so

[NotAHecticAlt]

Too bad shoshin and RR are scum together and RR spewed them mafia

[NotAHecticAlt]

actually its just FB/shoshin/RR so lmao

[Loki Dokie]

You are tunneling me based on misinterpretations and false assumptions. Do better, I know you can

I wouldn’t go so far as call it an actual tunnel. I’m actually going back and forth on you but in both RC and Squid game, I pretty much obvtownread you straight out of the gate. And while you might of course have had other reasons for tr eijj, it did seem to happen after they switched their read on me. And I can understand why Andante thinks you’re spamming, several people think you’re posting too much, so idk but I don’t want to heal a slot I don’t confidently tr and still think could be scum.

It probably doesn’t help that I’m not hard tr the people voting you either.

I bet the game on Andante!town and Fidget seems really townie to me as well. Eijj also feels really genuine. Whatever your alignment is, your play has been kind’ve scummy.

Convince me I’m wrong then and I’ll reconsider.

Leader Selection:

Andante [2]:

Radical Rat, Loki Dokie,

Aisa [2]:

Fidget, Ejjinami,

Ejjinami [2]:

NotAHecticAlt, Andante

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Gamma Emerald

Roden [1]:

Gamma Emerald

NotAHecticAlt [1]:

Roden

Radical Rat [1]:

Andante

not voting [5]:

Shoshin, Cat Scratch Fever, PenguinPower, Firebringer, Aisa

Mod Note: Your Latest Post Containing Heals will be considered your Heals and override all previous Heals.
Hurt Tags do not do anything.
Shoshin has been prodded

Event

Deadline

(expired on 2022-06-21 21:00:00)

You dont prod a player who didnt respond to their role pm ^^^^^
Please stop skimming and actually read. (Ironic i know)

Okay you do have a point but I was also prodded in WH, probably twice I think? and I was town, so the point still is we don’t know. If you’re claiming I think she’s town, I never said that. We have no way of knowing if she got scum and went MIA or had internet issues after that. That slot will probably get replaced and then we’ll actually have something to base it on.

Oh and I also hard tr you in RC’s game, so I don’t think there even exists a game where I was scum and you town? So where you’re getting this I’m town because I didn’t tmi you town has never actually happened.

We hydrad together and i also replaced into a game where you flipped scum (the botched backup claim)
So no, i am not making things up.
I am town here so im going to have logical answers to all your accusations

I don’t recall any game that I was scum with you town and I have never heard of anything like that. Only game comes to mind is something blade and I’m extremely sure you weren’t in that.

At any rate I’ve correctly tr in two games, so that’s another thing I don’t like because you’re rewriting history when you make claims like that.