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[Ausuka]

Tbh I don't scumread any of the VT claims other than Dwlee

Not saying I have them all locktown or whatever but I'd need convincing

[Harley Quinn]

Tbh I don't scumread any of the VT claims other than Dwlee

Not saying I have them all locktown or whatever but I'd need convincing

Why does Dwlee kill me n1?

[Ausuka]

because you're obvtown and the third draft slot

[Ausuka]

or if enchant is town they could have just shot enchant I guess

alternatively; scum have nokilled n1 and n2 just to fuck with us

[Ausuka]

that's not serious I think there's pretty much no chance scum did that n1 and a very low chance they do it n2, if the scumteam is like idk enchant and std I guess maybe

[Harley Quinn]

I guess I just feel uncomfortable putting things on auto pilot there's not a lot of solving

That's where I feel like I shine. That's why I am ok with either Enchant or Wallflower.

If another VT I'd go StD.

+1

Yeah, I think we have to go with Wallflower here.

Enchant has been acting super scummy practically daring us to yeet him, which makes me think he could be doing it hoping we lim him > Wallflower.

I thought Wallflower had made these posts post-hammee but if she knew she wasn’t actually hamlered, she could still be guiltied scum here. hoping to change our minds.

And also think of this, who is she pushing as her #1 sr? The only slot who can guarantee Ausuka safety for 2 nights.

I think limming Wallflower is 100% the correct play here.

STD has far greater miselim equity than Wallflower because he wasn’t jk’d when there was a no kill. Enchant is trying to mess with my head to convince me I’m wrong but I don’t believe I am.

I still think Enchant/Wallflower and if game doesn’t end STD but it would be foolish to lim anyone but Wallflower given Implosion’s role here.

[Ausuka]

I mean I want to talk more before Ari potentially dies because I'm far from confident in a WF scumflip

But like yeah limming wallflower is fine

[Harley Quinn]

I mean I want to talk more before Ari potentially dies because I'm far from confident in a WF scumflip

But like yeah limming wallflower is fine

If it weren’t literally for Implosion’s role, I would 100% lim Enchant but the way he’s been talking, makes me think he’s either trying to get us to lim him and then we have Wallflower saying she doesn’t think the most obvscum player in the game isn’t scum. Does that sound believable to you? Does anyone seriously tr Enchant here? And she’s hardpushing Implosion - the only slot who can ensure you live 2 nights.

It’s HEM/Wallflower/Enchant. STD is only a possibility if that’s wrong but I really don’t think that is.

~HQ,
scum wifom detector

[Harley Quinn]

Wallflower isn’t sr Enchant. That’s a huge red flag for me because he’s been practically daring us to yeet him.

[Gamma Emerald]

I dislike Dwlee's read on me but am aware I am heavily biased on that so

Does anyone else think it's weird?? Like the progression of Ausuka is tunneled, Ausuka is single mindedly tunneling me (which I don't think I was?) to being willing to vote Ausuka based just on that reasoning

I also don't like their progression from scumreading Bella at the start of the day when that was a pretty fashionable read iirc to then going onto Implo when that again iirc was looking like an easy push toward the latter end of d2, seemingly dropping their earlier scumpool not including implosion

But again I might be like *actually* tunneled at this point so I'm interested in hearing other perspectives on their ISO

I know I was going to keep my reads private but... It's not like I'm always going to jail my top scumread, I would be willing to jail anyone to reduce predictability and because of rather low read confidence, so it's fine I think. A hypothetical world with town Wallflower and Enchant where Ari dies tonight and we don't have much reads discussion going on seems like a very bad world!

Just in a case, i taked BP to meme.

I don't remember Mala being in any way memetic.

vrej

[Harley Quinn]

Wallflower who should we be looking at after you flip town

Spoiler:

I actually want to say I really appreciate you asking. I think I have been more self-defeating than I should have been here and while I've had the "no one listens to dead town" mantra going through my head it really is just perpetuating my self-indulgent wallowing.

I'm much more dayplay-focused than mechanics-focused, and so I'm not sure if I've completely gotten my head around everything, but I consider the almost-certain town to be:

Harley Quinn - Possible (probable?) N1 kill target. Appears genuinely confused as to why scum would try to kill Ausuka N2. The turnaround on Math was very much not like scum positioning etc.
Ausuka - The paranoid world where Ausuka has made all this up is... not likely? Ausuka in no way needed to frame me if scum.
Ari - HEM-interactions very probably not distancing. The paranoid world where Ari as scum no-kills in order to claim doctor saves is also... very unlikely.

I've had Titus and Implo in my mind as possible scum, but I'm still questioning Titus in particular and whether she would "take charge" as she has. But, the interactions with Mathblade reminded me of Titus-scum/Math-town dynamic I've seen elsewhere and reading back on Titus' play around the Mathblade wagons, it just feels agenda-driven to me.

Implo just keeps coming up for me because of reasons I've said before, but also I wonder if him being the most willing to consider the possibility that scum targeted Ausuka, is because he knows that scum did target Ausuka.

Roden, Enchant, even Gamma also feel possible to me but less likely. I often have Roden as town in my mind, but then I keep forgetting he exists.

The way Enchant claimed yesterday felt unnecessary for scum to do, especially since I think scum would have considered claiming BP there to be a bad idea

.

Spoiler:

And I still don't know whether Gamma knew they were hammering Math or not, but the votes against Ari felt needlessly inflammatory for scum to do.

STD, Bella and Dwlee feel a bit more town to me based on play but I guess there's nothing ABSOLUTELY ruling them out.

I guess the main thing is I want to make sure not to make any premature assumptions. I've had experiences before where I've just town-binned scum for what felt like good reasons at the time. But I know that it might be my flip that's needed to get people to think in a more open-minded way. To think about what might be going on that isn't the obvious.

[Harley Quinn]

3833 tells you everything you need to know.

Wallflower: Enchant=town, Imposion=scum. And has Titus as another possibility in case we all get misted by this.

[Titus]

VOTE: Wallflower

[Gamma Emerald]

Enchant is not town
He would’ve been more clear about his pick logic earlier if he was

[Harley Quinn]

3833 tells you everything you need to know.

Wallflower: Enchant=town, Imposion=scum. And has Titus as another possibility in case we all get misted by this.

If we actually fall for this, we might actually if not be persuaded to lim Implosion but by shading Implosion here, it weakens the entire doc argument.

No townie honestly believes Enchant isn’t scum here and the hardclaimed UB is her biggest sr. And then you have Enchant acting all super weird, sounding informed etc.

Scum doesn’t want Ausuka to live 2 nights because her role is the biggest obstacle to a scum wincon and that’s why Implosion is spewed town by all of this. Scum doesn’t want him to get the doc and protect Ausuka, who is the closest thing we have to a cop in this game.

[Harley Quinn]

Enchant is not town
He would’ve been more clear about his pick logic earlier if he was

Of course he isn’t but we need to keep Ausuka alive for 2 nights and Implosion getting Ari’s doc is the only way to guarantee that.

[Ausuka]

but what if I want to chat with dats in the dead pt with spoilers

[Harley Quinn]

Scumteam gambit:

Wallflower acting supertown but pushing scum motivated reads
Enchant acting off the charts scummy, so we will lim him over Enchant.

Scum hail Mary, sacrifice Titus.

[Ausuka]

I mean I want to talk more before Ari potentially dies because I'm far from confident in a WF scumflip

But like yeah limming wallflower is fine

If it weren’t literally for Implosion’s role, I would 100% lim Enchant but the way he’s been talking, makes me think he’s either trying to get us to lim him and then we have Wallflower saying she doesn’t think the most obvscum player in the game isn’t scum. Does that sound believable to you? Does anyone seriously tr Enchant here? And she’s hardpushing Implosion - the only slot who can ensure you live 2 nights.

It’s HEM/Wallflower/Enchant. STD is only a possibility if that’s wrong but I really don’t think that is.

~HQ,
scum wifom detector

I mean if I'm being honest enchant and wallflower seems like

Way too easy

But I hope you're right and we should easily win if you are

I guess I can see how someone thinks Enchant is town, I had a similar thought at one point but then was like "am I seriously going to townread this ISO"

[Harley Quinn]

but what if I want to chat with dats in the dead pt with spoilers

But you’re the only thing we have that’s functionally like a cop.

Well, I see scum Wallflower getting jk’d again but scum maybe no killing, so you fakeclear her causing chaos and paranoia.

I’m not falling for it.

[Ausuka]

I guess what I'm saying is

Yeah wallflower and Enchant need to die or be confirmed by jailkeep

Neither should be allowed to endgame if scum

But I want us to discuss the other players while Ari and implo and other towny ppl are still alive

[Ausuka]

but what if I want to chat with dats in the dead pt with spoilers

But you’re the only thing we have that’s functionally like a cop.

Well, I see scum Wallflower getting jk’d again but scum maybe no killing, so you fakeclear her causing chaos and paranoia.

I’m not falling for it.

Don't think there's any way to generate a fake clear? No killing can make a fake guilty

If the scumteam want to play nightless I'm down

[Harley Quinn]

I mean I want to talk more before Ari potentially dies because I'm far from confident in a WF scumflip

But like yeah limming wallflower is fine

If it weren’t literally for Implosion’s role, I would 100% lim Enchant but the way he’s been talking, makes me think he’s either trying to get us to lim him and then we have Wallflower saying she doesn’t think the most obvscum player in the game isn’t scum. Does that sound believable to you? Does anyone seriously tr Enchant here? And she’s hardpushing Implosion - the only slot who can ensure you live 2 nights.

It’s HEM/Wallflower/Enchant. STD is only a possibility if that’s wrong but I really don’t think that is.

~HQ,
scum wifom detector

I mean if I'm being honest enchant and wallflower seems like

Way too easy

But I hope you're right and we should easily win if you are

I guess I can see how someone thinks Enchant is town, I had a similar thought at one point but then was like "am I seriously going to townread this ISO"

But the only player who actually thinks this is the only one that you jk’d when there was a no kill. Wallflower isn’t just any player here.

[Harley Quinn]

I guess what I'm saying is

Yeah wallflower and Enchant need to die or be confirmed by jailkeep

Neither should be allowed to endgame if scum

But I want us to discuss the other players while Ari and implo and other towny ppl are still alive

Sure but I could possibly see scum no killing as a gambit too. Scum wants to cause chaos and paranoia and get town to cannibalize itself.

It’s even possible that Wallflower would hope you jk Titus or anyone else and she no kills and then you have a fake guilty on that player.

Why is scum!Enchant practically lolcatting and daring us to yeet him if Wallflower isn’t his buddy?

[Titus]

My pick is Enchant 100% scum.
Wallflower is likely scum.
If not StD.
Long shot Gamma taking advantage of Math elim by counting votes.