Micro 1056: Moderators of the Discord Server [game over]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not getting into a slapfight with you. Vote Penguin and see what happens.

im gonna be laughing so hard if this is Megaz 2.0

[Faker]

I think it's fairgame to link to a specific post summary.

Do you think Luke is scum to begin with?

Pooky's point is SINGULARLY that Luke does not lock Sillyposting as town and instead YOLO goes to SGB to yeet a page 1 scumread.

I pulled out the receipts showing not only that Luke wanted Sillyposting before marcistar even posted, but posts another game showing Luke has

always

wanted to quickly lock Sillyposting as town.

While secondary, his reactionary read on me was also extremely clean.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

still love you <3

pls no mads

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok so why wouldnt luke lock sillyposting as scum because he knows that you know that he wants sillyposting as town?

is he going to go to a different game and watch you rekt him?

[Meuh]

You have to be trolling. Absolutely disgusting interpretation.

ok fine

meuh what is faker's point?

I get the impression the point is “Hey Pooky, some major points you’re making about a confident scumread of yours have gotten strong responses that you haven’t even bothered to engage with or taken the time to really consider, wtf?”
If that’s what you’re asking because that’s a vague question

[Faker]

It is possible he is playing inline with his previously voiced preference for what to do as town intentionally, and that his read on me is faked. The point is that your reason for why he is scum is not sound and that there is substantial reason to believe this is exactly how he plays the minigames.

I am not making a claim that Luke is town beyond a doubt simply for going to Sillyposting. I am making a primary claim that playing inline with a stated town preference (tucked away in a forgotten part of a scum PT that he knows from a prior discussion that I did not read) is not +scum, which is what you are asserting. I am making a secondary claim that playing in line with a stated town preference is +town and that the clean read on me is +town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

which point of hers am i misinterpreting?

[Faker]

I think this is in bad faith. I'm willing to dialogue with anyone else. If Pooky is town my last words for him are that I encourage him to vote Penguin and lose.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you have an actual compelling point you are 100% willing to bet the game on for why luke is town i will hear you out.

cuz if i vote luke and he flips scum you are like totally getting yeeted next and thats the game right there.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also if you think im mafia and bad faithing you for lulz then we dont actually need to converse its fine idrc about being misread in this game anyway.

[Faker]

I'm not responding to anything Pooky types. If someone else wants a response to a specific point, you can ask me directly.

[Faker]

Honestly "Bad faith" is a misnomer, I've seen this shit a million times of refusing to admit a specific point is wrong, instead treating his worldview as sacred and beyond reproach or error. This is Pooky-faith, where it is not merely enough to show his reasoning is blatantly wrong, you must instead affirmatively prove your own is bulletproof and not merely better by default.

My preference here is Lukewarm->Pooky->Penguin but the gap between Luke and the rest is a vast gulf.

[PenguinPower]

I mean - you discounting pookie's read on me based on his experience, but using your experience with Luke and basically locking in and then yelling "bad faith" and "not responding" is pretty gross.

But you do you - why am I scum?

[Prism]

I'm not using my experience with Luke as the basis for my read whatsoever. I tracked a timeline of posts to Pooky's claim, and looped in a single publicly available post that states concretely what minigame Lukewarm wanted as town. There was no qualitative judgment, tonal bullshit, or meta dart throwing in any of that.

My reaction to his read on me is also not based on meta or previous experience. It is entirely looking at this game in a vacuum, buying the read and believing it to be Occam's Razor.

I have given, and have no reason to affirmatively scumread you. You are there because you are less town to me than the alternatives.

[Faker]

I'm not using my experience with Luke as the basis for my read whatsoever. I tracked a timeline of posts to Pooky's claim, and looped in a single publicly available post that states concretely what minigame Lukewarm wanted as town. There was no qualitative judgment, tonal bullshit, or meta dart throwing in any of that.

My reaction to his read on me is also not based on meta or previous experience. It is entirely looking at this game in a vacuum, buying the read and believing it to be Occam's Razor.

I have given, and have no reason to affirmatively scumread you. You are there because you are less town to me than the alternatives.

[Faker]

yelling "bad faith" and "not responding" is pretty gross.

Not being able to wrap your mind around:

"Lukewarm has said previously out of game that he'd like to lock in Sillyposting as town" -> "Lukewarm locking Sillyposting isn't a scumclaim [as Pooky says]"

is beyond pretty gross. There are a number of mean words and questions and phone calls to the teachers responsible for this disgrace to be made here.

[PenguinPower]

but posts another game showing Luke has always wanted to quickly lock Sillyposting as town.

Sorry - took this as you using meta examples given other games.

I think this is in bad faith. I'm willing to dialogue with anyone else. If Pooky is town my last words for him are that I encourage him to vote Penguin and lose.

Sorry - also took this as you scum reading me given your confidence that we would lose.

Also, occam's razor in social deduction games is a dangerous principle to apply.

Also, also...this makes you appeared tunneled

I am actually howling laughing at the idea that anyone could read Pooky's last set of posts and align with them, and again I do not care if Lukewarm is in fact scum. Those Pooky posts were absolutely awful.

also, also, also wik...I kinda hate some of your ate on re-read

[Faker]

You are equating a concrete statement of preference made by Luke as somehow in the same vein as your and Pooky's tonal judgments of one another. They are not even remotely comparable. There is no interpretation or subjectivity involved in Luke saying "I would lock Sillyposting as town" outside of the game.

[Lukewarm]

2/4 make most sense i dont get why anyone would think otherwise

Just stating that the options where you are town make the most sense does not do anything for anyone. Like, those are the only possible options from your POV. Of those two options, which do you think makes more sense as the swap and why?

[PenguinPower]

You are equating a concrete statement of preference made by Luke as somehow in the same vein as your and Pooky's tonal judgments of one another. They are not even remotely comparable. There is no interpretation or subjectivity involved in Luke saying "I would lock Sillyposting as town" outside of the game.

There is subjectivity unless you are asserting there is a trust tell involved.

[Lukewarm]

ok so why wouldnt luke lock sillyposting as scum because he knows that you know that he wants sillyposting as town?

is he going to go to a different game and watch you rekt him?

To be fair, I think that I would have ended up in Sillyposting regardless of my alignment.

I ended up in Silly posting as town, because that is where I wanted to play. I would have ended up in Silly posting as scum, because I would have expect Faker and Pooky to both know that I would prefer sillyposting as town, and expect me to gravitate there as town, and would have likely forced myself to go there unless I came up with a good excuse for myself to go there.

I think that Faker's point is that at best, me locking into Sillyposting was a NAI action, and you saying that it was a scummy action is bad.

[Faker]

You are equating a concrete statement of preference made by Luke as somehow in the same vein as your and Pooky's tonal judgments of one another. They are not even remotely comparable. There is no interpretation or subjectivity involved in Luke saying "I would lock Sillyposting as town" outside of the game.

There is subjectivity unless you are asserting there is a trust tell involved.

There's also interpretation in the sense that I have to decide that "Lukewarm" is another human being and not a wombat at a keyboard, and that "I" is referring to this creature, and that "Sillyposting" is a symbolic construct that does not concretely exist outside of the representation afforded in my own brain.

Beyond this, you don't understand your own fucking ruleset: There is no trust tell in saying what you would do as town provided you are also willing to do so as scum. Lukewarm is willing to do so,

and has in fact done so previously

.

It remains the case that him doing so

does not mean that he is scum

.

[PenguinPower]

Thanks for saying that it's NAI in a lot of words.

[PenguinPower]

Almost as if I understand the rules and wanted you to say it.

[PenguinPower]

So, outside the "clean reactionary read" on you...why are you so tunneled on Luke being town?