Mini 2273: Science Diagrams That Look Like Shitposts 2 [END]

[Crescent]

He has some posts that read extremely town like that I think would be difficult to fake as scum

This is exactly how I feel about Corwin today. The way he interacted with me in the first half of the day doesn't feel like scum at all.

[Crescent]

And yes I would say Vivax strikes me as town who still doesn't understand his arguments aren't good and that's why he can't get anybody to follow, but he's blaming the town for it, which is causing him not to care.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Should prob vote Gera with me

[gibus]

I didn't realise what Checker did, my bad.

Why did you choose Cres?

Town leader vibes.
Whom would you have picked?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I can't say 100% as I still haven't read how D1 ended.

There seemed a good few possibilities though to be fair

[Crescent]

I want to see Gera respond to the claims before I make further judgment on him. He's vibed better on day 1 than on day 2, but that llong post against Gibus, as I mentioned earlier, was not particularly strong despite it's length. You could argue the same trend for his vote on Vivax. One thing in particular he shades Gibus for is something other people in the game have done, and something you did it at virtually the same time he did (asking me to vote with him).

The complete... Nothingness from him since then raises more eyebrows, and I want to see what he has to say now. Gibus' wagon was never a wagon I trusted to begin with.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

My case on Gibus was good.

It also forced him to come play

[Crescent]

Err... He's vibed better on day 2 than he did on day 1.

I changed the sentence structure then totally botched the point.

[Vivax]

Good play by gibus here with the sandbagging then.

[Crescent]

My case on Gibus was good.

It also forced him to come play

Gera's case on Gibus was... Not particularly strong.

But that reply of "Nah" was just comically bad what the hell was that.

Actually Imma go point by point I want to see how it goes.

[Crescent]

Spoiler:

Unofficial Vote Count 2

GeorgeBailey (6):

Not_Mafia, Eiralox, Alexcellent, Crescent, gibus, Vivax

UNOwen (3):

clidd, Elsa Jay, GeorgeBailey

Corwinoid (1):

UNOwen

Crescent (1):

geraintm

Vivax (1):

Corwinoid

Not voting (0):

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-06-12 13:13:00)

ok, checking Gibus

Day 1 i get nothing. there is a bunch of votes all around the place, very little in the way of opinion or thought (except consistently saying i am town) and ended up on the elimination 3rd last

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

that was their vote on George Bailey

I should point out that the games clidd mentioned were a lot more fast paced than this one. Not sure if the meta read is very accurate.
I'd much rather elim Elsa over ger if it were up to me.

ok but if not Elsa then where would your vote be atm?

What's your reads on Crescent, George, and Corwinoid?

No idea. GB I guess?
I don't want to sound like I'm white knighting ger, but his vote based on the 2 posts feels rushed and panicky.
It'd make sense for him to divert all that attention asap as scum. Just a feeling though.

and this was the only time befor ei can really see them having any opinion on George. that vote looks awful now.

VOTE: Goldfish, Not_Mafia, geraint

their open to day 2

their opening thoughts strognly townread Corwin (and soon after think vivax is likely town too, though nothing backing that up)

All of that to explain a town read on someone under 0 pressure.

Cool.

Who is scum?

I'm still behind by.. a lot.
Based on poe tho, both scum have to exist within Not_maf, geraint, Elsa, and goldfish.

narrows down their scum team. im in it now though they spent previous saying i was town.

post 1338 has a lot of thoughts but they are still claiming to be reading....

Ok Gibus I have a question. 10 posts after Vivax countervoted Gera, you voted Gera.

Are we ever going to like, learn why?

Random from my poe pool lol.
I didn't want to get kicked due to inactivity.

oh, this is bad

One thing I will add is the guy who voted me is probably town. I tend to be a magnet for unexplained early votes from people who haven't played with me before, and they're almost always town. It's why I got sus of Gamma last game for openly townreading me for no given reason in the first 60.

gibus is probably town if his read was serious

P.S.

I think the difference is some town get bad-vibes from it and decide to pressure me to get a better read, but it doesn't really ping anything from scum as something worth pursuing, which is why that vote usually comes from town.

What makes you think that gibus wasn't just random voting?

maybe he was random voting?

@Gibus
Why did you vote Crescent if you said that your vote was ''bad''?

as a dog person, I say we lynch all cat people

I was random voting.

ditto

wtf

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

this seems random, but at least the vote is within that random 4 person scum pool

Crescent, you have complained about votes being spread out in the game.

You seem to have an opportunity to create a second wagon. Why are you not taking it?

Yeah cres.
Vote BBT w/ me.

how on earth are they trying to persuade Crescent, an obviously hesitant voter, to start a wagon on Toffee with this bare minimum effort???

I wouldn't mind hearing how Gibus came to 180 on his Gera read, too. I just noticed he is voting him.

I never townread gera fyi.

the what now???

i present

I've got nothing new to bring to the table except that the case on ger is flimsy as hell

and the one where they say they aren't white knighting me...but

With 2 days left, I expect the same final crunch we had day 1 to happen again. Maybe even the 8 wagons too. Tho with only 10 alive that becomes significantly harder to do.

I think we can at least agree who we are NOT eliminating today?

Nobody's really going for Alex, Eira, or me today, so I think we can take

those

3 out. Funnily enough the three of

them

are also the only ones not getting voted in the last VC either.

Corwin is more townread then Vivax who is more likely to get elimed between the two so he's safe too. Seems the Crescent stuff has also died now.

So that leaves us with Gibus, Toffee, NotMaf, Vivax, and Gera. Minus Toffee so far it matches what I think we should be between.

If your vote isn't on one of those you should probably get moving soon.

Strangr wording here. Why refer to herself in third person?
Sounds survivalistic while trying not to come off as such.

Gibus, why no Elsa vote here? She's in your scumpool. Cres and me are already voting there. We have like a day left. I'm unsure why you are sticking with Toffee here.

I was kinda hoping for a counter waon but it looks like I'm the only one seeing toffees obv scum agenda.
And the fact that his wagon gained no traction.. very sus. I don't think scum misses a chance to aim for town!toffee since that would be quite easy to case and it makes it easier to set me up for a miselim later.

But yeah, I'm fine with an elsa lim too. Seems like the logical conclusion to Corw v vivax.
Still think her third person survivalism is scummy.
VOTE: Elsa

switch to Elsa because their attempt to get toffee eliminated didnt go anywhere, and justified because no one joined them in voting toffee???

i cannot work out how this slot could be town. their day 1 was not great, their vote ended up on the elimination

Detective, I can see if someone performed a Nightkill during the night or a previous one.

how does this clear people as town

and they even posted after GEorgebailey's claim and didn't unvote.
and day 2 is a mixture of poor votes, poor attempts tostart wagons, claimed laziness

this slot looks bad

VOTE: gibus

Point 1: The Elsa train was dead at that point. Voting there achieved nothing. His spontaneous vote wasn't good but it wasn't wasted either. It also went from almost certain town to another town. Why does scum Gibus feel the need to make such a switch to George in the first place? This point isn't just incomplete, it goes the wrong direction. I said myself I wanted George when George had 0 votes but I didn't want to vote him at the time because of it.
Point 2: Eh, "fair". I don't think he *hard* defended Gera at all day 1, but there was defense. He also said very little about him day two up until that point. It does come kind of out of nowhere, but I do think it's potentially responsive to the Gera/Vivax altercation.
Point 3: BBT did the exact same thing at almost the exact same time Gibus did it. Elsa did it the very next day. Elsa also did it on day 1. Why is this a thing?
Point 4: Is good. I called out that Gibus post where he voted Elsa too. Bad post by Gibus.
Point 5: Empty. 7 people ended up on the elimination. Singling him out just for that is pointless. You need a better reason.
Point 6: Also Empty. Like four people on George posted after George's claim. This is again singling out this player for something other people also did.

I'll be generous and give him like, a 1.7/6. It's possible I missed something in there. It's kind of a mess.

[Crescent]

Spoiler:

Unofficial Vote Count 2

GeorgeBailey (6):

Not_Mafia, Eiralox, Alexcellent, Crescent, gibus, Vivax

UNOwen (3):

clidd, Elsa Jay, GeorgeBailey

Corwinoid (1):

UNOwen

Crescent (1):

geraintm

Vivax (1):

Corwinoid

Not voting (0):

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-06-12 13:13:00)

ok, checking Gibus

Day 1 i get nothing. there is a bunch of votes all around the place, very little in the way of opinion or thought (except consistently saying i am town) and ended up on the elimination 3rd last

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

that was their vote on George Bailey

I should point out that the games clidd mentioned were a lot more fast paced than this one. Not sure if the meta read is very accurate.
I'd much rather elim Elsa over ger if it were up to me.

ok but if not Elsa then where would your vote be atm?

What's your reads on Crescent, George, and Corwinoid?

No idea. GB I guess?
I don't want to sound like I'm white knighting ger, but his vote based on the 2 posts feels rushed and panicky.
It'd make sense for him to divert all that attention asap as scum. Just a feeling though.

and this was the only time befor ei can really see them having any opinion on George. that vote looks awful now.

VOTE: Goldfish, Not_Mafia, geraint

their open to day 2

their opening thoughts strognly townread Corwin (and soon after think vivax is likely town too, though nothing backing that up)

All of that to explain a town read on someone under 0 pressure.

Cool.

Who is scum?

I'm still behind by.. a lot.
Based on poe tho, both scum have to exist within Not_maf, geraint, Elsa, and goldfish.

narrows down their scum team. im in it now though they spent previous saying i was town.

post 1338 has a lot of thoughts but they are still claiming to be reading....

Ok Gibus I have a question. 10 posts after Vivax countervoted Gera, you voted Gera.

Are we ever going to like, learn why?

Random from my poe pool lol.
I didn't want to get kicked due to inactivity.

oh, this is bad

One thing I will add is the guy who voted me is probably town. I tend to be a magnet for unexplained early votes from people who haven't played with me before, and they're almost always town. It's why I got sus of Gamma last game for openly townreading me for no given reason in the first 60.

gibus is probably town if his read was serious

P.S.

I think the difference is some town get bad-vibes from it and decide to pressure me to get a better read, but it doesn't really ping anything from scum as something worth pursuing, which is why that vote usually comes from town.

What makes you think that gibus wasn't just random voting?

maybe he was random voting?

@Gibus
Why did you vote Crescent if you said that your vote was ''bad''?

as a dog person, I say we lynch all cat people

I was random voting.

ditto

wtf

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

this seems random, but at least the vote is within that random 4 person scum pool

Crescent, you have complained about votes being spread out in the game.

You seem to have an opportunity to create a second wagon. Why are you not taking it?

Yeah cres.
Vote BBT w/ me.

how on earth are they trying to persuade Crescent, an obviously hesitant voter, to start a wagon on Toffee with this bare minimum effort???

I wouldn't mind hearing how Gibus came to 180 on his Gera read, too. I just noticed he is voting him.

I never townread gera fyi.

the what now???

i present

I've got nothing new to bring to the table except that the case on ger is flimsy as hell

and the one where they say they aren't white knighting me...but

With 2 days left, I expect the same final crunch we had day 1 to happen again. Maybe even the 8 wagons too. Tho with only 10 alive that becomes significantly harder to do.

I think we can at least agree who we are NOT eliminating today?

Nobody's really going for Alex, Eira, or me today, so I think we can take

those

3 out. Funnily enough the three of

them

are also the only ones not getting voted in the last VC either.

Corwin is more townread then Vivax who is more likely to get elimed between the two so he's safe too. Seems the Crescent stuff has also died now.

So that leaves us with Gibus, Toffee, NotMaf, Vivax, and Gera. Minus Toffee so far it matches what I think we should be between.

If your vote isn't on one of those you should probably get moving soon.

Strangr wording here. Why refer to herself in third person?
Sounds survivalistic while trying not to come off as such.

Gibus, why no Elsa vote here? She's in your scumpool. Cres and me are already voting there. We have like a day left. I'm unsure why you are sticking with Toffee here.

I was kinda hoping for a counter waon but it looks like I'm the only one seeing toffees obv scum agenda.
And the fact that his wagon gained no traction.. very sus. I don't think scum misses a chance to aim for town!toffee since that would be quite easy to case and it makes it easier to set me up for a miselim later.

But yeah, I'm fine with an elsa lim too. Seems like the logical conclusion to Corw v vivax.
Still think her third person survivalism is scummy.
VOTE: Elsa

switch to Elsa because their attempt to get toffee eliminated didnt go anywhere, and justified because no one joined them in voting toffee???

i cannot work out how this slot could be town. their day 1 was not great, their vote ended up on the elimination

Detective, I can see if someone performed a Nightkill during the night or a previous one.

how does this clear people as town

and they even posted after GEorgebailey's claim and didn't unvote.
and day 2 is a mixture of poor votes, poor attempts tostart wagons, claimed laziness

this slot looks bad

VOTE: gibus

Point 1: The Elsa train was dead at that point. Voting there achieved nothing. His spontaneous vote wasn't good but it wasn't wasted either. It also went from almost certain town to another town. Why does scum Gibus feel the need to make such a switch to George in the first place? This point isn't just incomplete, it goes the wrong direction. I said myself I wanted George when George had 0 votes but I didn't want to vote him at the time because of it.
Point 2: Eh, "fair". I don't think he *hard* defended Gera at all day 1, but there was defense. He also said very little about him day two up until that point. It does come kind of out of nowhere, but I do think it's potentially responsive to the Gera/Vivax altercation.
Point 3: BBT did the exact same thing at almost the exact same time Gibus did it. Elsa did it the very next day. Elsa also did it on day 1. Why is this a thing?
Point 4: Is good. I called out that Gibus post where he voted Elsa too. Bad post by Gibus.
Point 5: Empty. 7 people ended up on the elimination. Singling him out just for that is pointless. You need a better reason.
Point 6: Also Empty. Like four people on George posted after George's claim. This is again singling out this player for something other people also did.

I'll be generous and give him like, a 1.7/6. It's possible I missed something in there. It's kind of a mess.

[Crescent]

I took a nap because nothing had happened in a long while and came back to.. 0 new posts. The momentum of the day completely died with those claims, and a good chunk of the game hasn't really done anything since they were made.

We may actually be in the one situation where NM is the best vote. We basically ran into three dead wagons at the same time and it stagnated everything at the worst time.

Gera better show back up and actually do something though. His rather lacking input led directly to the Gibus claim.

[Crescent]

I'm not sure if this silence is more disconcerting or openly alarming... Can it be both? I'm glad I'm not in super OCD mode right now or I would have spammed a dozen posts yelling at people.

Anyways, my activity in the last several hours of this day can't be guaranteed except for probably the very last 60-75 minutes.

[Crescent]

Or maybe the mafia game

never existed to begin with....

[Crescent]

Or maybe the mafia game

never existed to begin with....

[Crescent]

Or maybe the mafia game

never existed to begin with....

[Crescent]

...The hell, a TRIPLE post?

[Corwinoid]

1737 is dumb.

[Elsa Jay]

Well now I'm off work at it's about to be morning ish in Europe so now it'll get busy again. I hope.

Frankly if we don't decide within 10 hours We won't get a launch.

[Elsa Jay]

I do have one problem with Elsa's claim though.

The redacted seems to insinuate yet another power role that hasn't been claimed. This makes at least 5 town power roles. For a setup that has to 2+1, that seems like a lot of power.

Detective+Vig+Gibus+Elsa+Redacted = 5.

I find it curious why Elsa would just sit there and accept Gibus' claim.

I never did answer this but fme isn't games like this like 3 scum 5-6 Vanilla townie and 4-5 PRs? The more scum power means more for town as well. And with a role like detective, vig, doc, and BG, I'm assuming at least one more for sure not counting my enabler info.

Oh and this is for Gibus: if we both promise to go on one person they literally can't die. If your role is correct them roleblocking you with notify you what happened, and then instead of the person dying it would just be me. This way we both make sure one guy can't die.

And if the Normal Game Reviewers decided to somehow put two Protectives in a game with a Strongman that's ground for a protest anyway.

[Alexcellent]

My case on Gibus was good.

Was it though?

[Alexcellent]

Prefer BBT, but I'd sheep a Geraint wagon. I think there's scum in one of those slots.

Tbh I've just been kind of null on Geraint all game. I've been kind of ignoring him because he seems like busy/disinterested rather than inherently scummy, but also very little (if any) pro-town stuff has come from him too. His earlier Vivax vote felt weak and the move to Gibus is convenient. If Gera were to flip scum I would prooooobably feel better about BBT.

[Corwinoid]

Elsa, the read you missed is who the other pr is. I tried to tell you this.

[Alexcellent]

@Vivax wou;ld u rather vote toffe or geraintm/?

I suppose Gera, though I think his abrasiveness makes hin town.

I don't think abrasiveness is indicative of alignment unless you have a really solid meta read on him