Newbie 2096 | Nathan For You | Endgame

[Rad]

Hey Bella, let's talk this through. How do you want to see this play out?

[Bellaphant]

I think what you said is valid. I'm )0% convinced it just has to be bbt corwin, so you voting there, if it gets a 'clear' is great, and if we are wrong then it's just you and that's still a risk we would've taken This day phase anyway without all the numbers

[Rad]

Then let's clear me and corwin, then we can flip corwin and no matter what the game is over. Interestingly, this path forward has Rad winning no matter what

Scum does have 1 more move here if we try to clear rad/corwin. Corwin can come in and hammer bbt while me and somnus are on him. He can claim "as town seeing that you're about to flip me and lose the game, this is my last chance to prevent it!" BBT flips red and we haven't ruled out rad/bbt yet going into d4. Please understand that if this scenario happens, there's no world where rad/bbt makes some convoluted play to clear rad/corwin instead of just following Bella into a corwin flip.

[Rad]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: BBT

Somnus come sit on BBT with me for a while. Corwin can remain afk which should practically clear me, or he can come make that play I just suggested. Or me and corwin win with terrible d3 scum play.

[Rad]

It's been about 36 hours now for corwin being away. I think he's just checked out of this game now. Makes sense though, there's just no way to talk your way out of his last post as scum. Probably feeling hopeless.

Or he's waiting in the wing for this exact hammer play because rad/corwin decided to take the most convoluted path possible to victory instead of just waiting for inevitable bbt vote by somnus.

I love how all the scum!Rad scenarios are ridiculously complicated and full of blunders.

[Somnus]

Will be back in the evening to give likely final thoughts on Day 3.

[Rad]

As of this post:

Deadline Timer: 1 day, 18 hours, 16 minutes

So we're running low on time. Any more clears we want to do should happen soon. If Bella and Somnus are happy with town!Rad solve though, the clears don't matter and we can just flip a scum whenever. Whichever first, up to you two. Clearing Rad/Corwin and flipping Corwin was just allowing Somnus the decision power instead of Bella, who seems concerned with having that power.

[Bellaphant]

In ready to just end this, tbf. If voting bbt makes people happier, fine

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It doesn't make me happy.

I'd rather vote Rad.

[Rad]

Join me Bella or vote corwin and I'll join you. Doesn't matter to me.

What are you more afraid of? Rad bbt or rad corwin? We can clear it up by taking the opposite out of play. If rad bbt scary, let's vote corwin here, or visa versa. That way rad bbt just wins or you can stop worrying about rad bbt because corwin flipped red.

If you're just straight pro town!rad now then just hop on bbt with me here cause who cares.

[Bellaphant]

Considering corwin just isn't here, which isn't townie at all, let's do that first? Tbf if it is just bbt corwin at that point, and I was bbt, I'd just concede

[Rad]

VOTE: Corwin

[Bellaphant]

I'll let somnus give his thoughts

[Rad]

Tbf if it is just bbt corwin at that point, and I was bbt, I'd just concede

You should assume a never surrender mentality from bbt given you're still considering a rad corwin team. But this clears rad bbt once you vote corwin anyway.

[Somnus]

No more hammer-testing needed. Let's just go with one of them and end Day 3 today. On the surface, it looks like they've both thrown in the towel without actually officially doing so. I'm fully aware that if we correctly flip one, this all could have been a ploy, but I don't think it matters at this point. Whichever alignment Rad is on has effectively already won the game, so congrats either way.

If town lost this game, it was pretty much lost on Day 1. I think it's probably safe to say that we're in C1 at this point, which means we effectively entered 5:2 mountainous starting Day 2. If either BlueBlood or Corwin are town, they just straight-up quit. My ability to create influence in this game was extremely limited. Every time I town-read someone, they died.

Alright. Way too much has happened since I was on yesterday for me to comment on individually.

I'm not in favor of the Vasex wagon at this point. Once you look past some of the early stuff and the avatar copying and all (which I did initially laugh at, but it is kind of annoying), the guy has probably put more effort into solving than anyone in this game. Calling everyone who votes for him is silly though.

Spartan was also my top town-read on Day 1.

I'm not voting Cheapside Day 3 if I'm in this game. Not saying this is lock-town (no one has had a particularly townie game, unfortunately, and we now know that several townies have very quickly jumped on any town elimination wagon as long as it wasn't themselves), but this slot and Corwin still seem like they're being setup to be the eLo vote. But again, the lack of votes towards this slot by the people scum-reading it is rather weird.

Besides Cheapside, Whiskey was my next highest town-read on Day 2.

I've done what I can do. Not to be unpleasant, but I meant what I said here:

-BlueBlood: Flip this slot tomorrow after I flip green. This shouldn't even be debatable after all of the flipped town wagons he's been on and pushed, every conversation that he has derailed between other people and tried to shut down the flow of information, quick-hammering the cop with 5 days left in Day 1, the so-far two confirmed dead townies (and soon to be 3) that have massively scum-read him and are coincidentally the first 3 people in the game to die, trying to eliminate a replace-in literally 7 posts after they joined just days after the start of the game, and the list goes on and on and on.

Yes, it's still a quick hammer. Just because you claimed intent and let that ride for maybe an hour, and literally hammered Vasex in a reactionary manner in literally the same minute that he said "f u" to you, it's still a quick-hammer. I was away for most of the weekend for reasons I had explained, and we had just had a player replace in what like...24 hours ago? Maybe less? I don't even remember. If NewD3 had a vigilante, I would have shot this slot, no questions asked on Night 1, and even if he flipped town, proudly claimed the shot at the start of Day 2. Town STILL probably would have been better off. If this slot is town, it has been by far the most disruptive, destructive, and anti-town player in the game, and no one on town who votes him out on Day 3 and loses in eLo should feel even remotely bad about the decision if this is somehow green. I said it before and I'll say it again: If this slot is green, we were completely and utterly fucked the second he replaced in.

If BlueBlood flips town, we were fucked as soon as he replaced in. Literally nothing he has done in this game has benefited town in any way, shape, or form, and I can take solace in the fact that at the very least, I did everything I could to at least have the rest of town sort this slot well before today.

Let's just end Day 3, and hopefully not the game. And if it does somehow end the game, so be it. We're free. I'll be a salty pickle that Rad took the most ridiculous, dumbest, unnecessary path to victory as mafia when none of this was needed, but GG either way if he somehow is.

Bella, who should I vote for out of Corwin and BlueBlood?

[Rad]

I get that it's scary to potentially be casting a losing vote. But if you believe town!rad then just pick someone and go for it yeah? I'll follow whoever picks first.

[Somnus]

Bella can choose when she’s on again and I’ll go with either of the two. And then it’s up to her if she wants to hammer or if she wants me to. She’s the only 100% confirmed town, so that seems fair.

[Somnus]

Re-reading some stuff. Thought this was funny.

7 players without me and killed one. You'll lost 2 players for each phase of day/night cycle. 7, 5, 3. you have right only to make 1 mistake. if you do more, you will lose this game. so only 1 towny elim is allowed till the end.
if i need to decide right now with a gun to my head,

i would elim these three slots: CHEAPSIDE, bbt, corwin

but u will have more info. use logics, not shitty reasons, logics, explain to yourself in words WHY, WHY AND WHY everything in the game

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: bbt

You around somnus

[humaneatingmonkey]

Vote Count 3.06

Corwin (1):

Rad

Rad (1):

Corwinoid

BlueBloodedToffee (1):

Bellaphant

Not Voting (2):

Somnus, BlueBloodedToffee

With 5 alive, it's 3 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 3 is June 23, 20:10 GMT+8

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-06-23 20:10:00)

[Somnus]

Yes, but I imagine Rad is sleeping. Could confirm I’m town if he were still on BlueBlood.

[Rad]

VOTE: bbt

Confirm away

[Rad]

You could have confirmed you were town if you did that to corwin instead, since I was already on him... Anyway, are we flipping bbt then? I thought we were done with confirms. Both scum are clearly done with this game. Maybe one comes to life in d4 but as you can tell they seem absolutely done with d3

[Somnus]

Hello, Forum dot Mafiascum dot net. My name is Town!Somnus. Nice to meet you.

Damn. I've been waiting 5 and a half months to say that. Let me just go ahead and take out these contact lenses.



There we go.

Bella - Somnus

Bella - Rad

Bella - Corwin

Bella - BlueBlood

Somnus - BlueBlood

Somnus - Corwin

Rad - Somnus

<======= You are here
BlueBlood - Rad
BlueBlood - Corwin
Rad - Corwin

[Somnus]

You could have confirmed you were town if you did that to corwin instead, since I was already on him... Anyway, are we flipping bbt then? I thought we were done with confirms. Both scum are clearly done with this game. Maybe one comes to life in d4 but as you can tell they seem absolutely done with d3

Yeah I know. I didn't want to put the onus on Bella to have to switch to Corwin on the spot and risking me hammering in a Somnus/Rad team. I think this is the flip later today if no objections.