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[Enchant]

Wait NM didn't claim? Oof.

[The toad]

Is there a reason you really townread STD? I disliked his d2

I mean you did say he felt really genuine earlier but that's not something I can engage with since I don't see it personally

Also fmpov he's been pushing a townslot in Melo and I think if he were town mafia would use that to push against me more than they have been doing

His Day 1 play just felt agenda-less to me. He did a heavy amount of AtE when it wasn't really necessary that could've easily gotten him voted out. He also did this weird emotional manipulation with me that also felt unnecessary if he were scum.

if we're just claiming

i JK'd kitty last night

Depending on his claimed action N2, his N1 action seems townie.

Kitty. I claimed to JK him so he could literally claim any potion action if he believed me

True but I’ve already said I tr him, so why pocket me?

So what is your take re: HEM/Roden? Still think TYT?

Yes

This also seems townie + he didn't push me after the HEM green flip, so it's consistent with what he'd said.

I think I disagree most strongly with the part about him calling Roden Vs HEM TvT being towny. He labels the argument and quickly goes back on it, voting HEM just to 'sheep Roden'. Maybe I need to review the context, but at the time it felt like he was opportunistically changing his read to conveniently join the HEM wagon.

I also generally feel like AtE is not a reliable towntell and STD's just didn't read as genuine to me personally.

In all fairness jailkeeping Kitty N1 if he was widely scumread is somewhat towny, and I can't comment much on his d1 play since I wasn't there

[The toad]

in these crack commandments i'm moses yeah

d2 final

humaneatingmonkey (6):

Venus And Mars, Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons, KittyTacky, Roden, Not_Mafia

Not_Mafia (1):

Dwlee99

Save The Dragons (1):

humaneatingmonkey

not voting (2):

Flea The Magician, Enchant

with 10 alive, it took 6 to meet me up in heaven.

Would generally expect at least 2 scum on the HEM wagon I think. If my reads are offbase it could be basically anything since most players were on this wagon, but this implies it's not Enchant/Dwlee/X at the very least

[The toad]

I was questioning how wise it was to designate Dwlee as town since they have been pushing NM but not now when it really matters and I didn't like their most recent posts, but yeah that's turning me away from thinking NM/Enchant/Dwlee at the very least. So if STD is town I think my reads have to be seriously offbase somewhere else.

[The toad]

VOTE: Enchant I am doing this assertively

Ehhh

Enchant is so coin flip

The toad
Enchant
Save The Dragons
Roden

Contains two scum imo

At least**

I do think this looks super super aligned though. Dwlee called out toad/Enchant/Roden as the scumteam earlier and now they have the scumpool as that plus STD who they were hard townreading. I would expect them to be way more enthusiastic about their top townread voting Enchant than "eh, Enchant is a coinflip."

Maybe Dwlee is framing Enchant? Although that feels overthinky. I should at least go check if the associatives between NM/STD/Dwlee are there.

[Save The Dragons]

im pretty town

[The toad]

Damn I wish you'd said that earlier, would've saved me a lot of time

[The toad]

STD what do you think of NM/Dwlee/Enchant

[Dwlee99]

I'm working from different principles in my latest list which was bare bones remove unaligned kitty/NM and johnny (top townread) to have a group of at least 2 scum

[Dwlee99]

We also don't need to solve the entire game this phase, just flip one scum at a time, because scum can't guaranteed kill every night

[Save The Dragons]

STD what do you think of NM/Dwlee/Enchant

tr all of them

[Save The Dragons]

it could be not_mafia i guess

[Save The Dragons]

maybe enchant

you know what i don't really know

[Save The Dragons]

im starting to get to a point where we should flip probably anybody. if they're scum, great, if they're not, well then we won't have to play this game much longer

[Dwlee99]

I feel like you should unvote kitty if you think it can be NM

[Dwlee99]

Actually isn't NM not claiming pain potion on Kitty a scum claim?

[Save The Dragons]

UNVOTE:

[Save The Dragons]

i dunno why is that my brain isn't working today

[The toad]

im starting to get to a point where we should flip probably anybody. if they're scum, great, if they're not, well then we won't have to play this game much longer

Maybe I overestimated how much effort I should be putting into this game.

[The toad]

We also don't need to solve the entire game this phase, just flip one scum at a time, because scum can't guaranteed kill every night

I know we don't have to solve the entire game this phase. But I wanted to use associatives to help solve the best elimination for today

[The toad]

Fuck it

VOTE: Not Mafia

If this is town we just lose

I don't think I'm going to die even if this is scum, but if I do I think based off recent events Dwlee is a FANTASTIC elimination for tomorrow and works extremely well as a not_mafia partner, if Roden thinks it's Enchant over STD, I'm willing to let him have that one given he has a better understanding of the early game and STD outright townreading all the scummy players is almost too-scummy to be scum territory.

[Dwlee99]

Why am I partnered with NM? Didn't I just say he might have scum claimed?

[The toad]

My case on Dwlee is

I expect scum to bus and distance fairly regularly. If I'm right about Johnny and Roden being town, and I would definitely be surprised if either was scum here, town was heavily pushing town HEM on d2. It would make sense for mafia to continue bussing there and Dwlee kept on pushing NM. As soon as we got to MELO, Dwlee rethinks NM, and goes for a lim on my slot instead. From my perspective it makes perfect sense for scum Dwlee to do this since I'm pretty sure Gamma was fairly widely scumread. Now that NM is looking more and more likely to face the lim here Dwlee changes course again and says NM scum claimed. None of this is impossible to come from town but it's all extremely convenient for scum Dwlee's goals.

I also think the whole deal with Johnny's enchant vote and Dwlee's negative response to it was very strange especially since Dwlee had been non committal about their push beforehand, only vaguely suggesting to lim Gamma who they didn't seem to suspect much more than Enchant for their posting. So despite the HEM wagon that would imply NM/Dwlee/Enchant. But I think it's scummy regardless of Enchant's alignment just because it seems incoherent with a town Delete perspective.

Pedit: because it looks like NM is going down and starting to antispew

[The toad]

I mean it's not like it's impossible you're town but I'd need you to make a convincing case on someone else instead

[The toad]

Enchant is hard to read I guess. It seems like he's just been tunneling Roden and Kitty all game. Usually I would say one of those would be his partner, but I don't think Roden is a wolf here and he voted Kitty at the end of d1, so I'm not really sure.

I guess the takeaway I got from reading Enchant's ISO is that I shouldn't be confident in the NM/Dwlee/Enchant team just because he never seems to comment much on either and I'm not sure how often scum actually behaves in that way. I'm more inclined to see him as partnered with STD seeing as he seemed to temporarily shade STD at one point during d2 and then drop the read.

Idk it doesn't need to be solved now. I doubt scum will kill me so we can resolve STD/Dwlee/Enchant tomorrow, seeing as it's clearly not going to be a simple task