Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean I do too really. But voting tictac today is literally just doing Mafia a favour. It does nothing to limit the pool of potential Mafia for Wolves to kill in.

Wolves always kill me here, where is this pool?

I am the pool. No Wolf risks letting me win this game if Mafia.

And if Mafia is in Menalque or Nashville, they shoot the other.

Do you town read Sword and Freedom? Because if you can town read Sword and Freedom, and we're right on it, then going TicTac wins this game 100% of the time.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Klick - you're looking at this from the angle that scum has the same amount of POV as you, but they have one less, and two less for wolves because you're conf town.

[Klick]

What an interesting situation we've found ourselves in.

[Klick]

Exactly how confident are you that tictac is scum here, FL? And that it's not something like Mena/Nashville wolves, Freedom maf?

[Flavor Leaf]

I say 100%, but it's really like 90%, which is insanely high.

I just really felt that read on WallFlower on Day 1, and then Nero Cain played like how I expected Nero to play as town. I dont think the replace out of WallFlower comes as Mafia.

SPC stated they thought WallFlower/Catboi were Wolf/Wolf, which is my only paranoia with the slot. They say that Catboi was getting unusually upset with everything WallFlower was pushing against them.

I have a really hard time seeing Nashville helping me out with Catboi on Day 1 the way they did, but I have been having doubts. They did somewhat setup on Sword and Myself, but I've been pocketed by Nashville before, but I think it's more likely Mafia ND. I can see you being right there, however. The Butterchurn kill does incriminate ND a little bit, I feel, and Mathblade was pushing both myself and Titus, but definitely me harder. So I get the Wolf Nashville case, but they played it so I specifically wouldn't see them as a wolf if they are, and it worked. But I'm aware that's the position I am in with them now, if that makes sense.



Really the kicker for all of this was Menalque/Bnuuy/TicTac were the ones hiding behind Mathblade and leaping the logic gaps because fading me benefited them tremendously as wolves.

Because I feel like every townie naturally didn't follow Math's logic leaps, but those 3 did because they had the wolf informed knowledge of knowing where their wolf kills were.

[Flavor Leaf]

TicTac's hammer on Bnuuy felt like an obvious bus, and TicTac even said earlier in the game when I was defending them that I was good at reading them.

However, I was specifically stating I could read TicTac around Day 4 when I was protecting them.

Menalque defending Catboi as hard as he did, only to hard push Bnuuy, then hard push TicTac, screams a distancing tactic, especially when considering Toogeloo is the one that eventually went down.

[Flavor Leaf]

Exactly how confident are you that tictac is scum here, FL? And that it's not something like Mena/Nashville wolves, Freedom maf?

It's this gap of understanding why Nashville/Menalque/TicTac are all clearing Freedom that confuses me. They've all just kind of accepted Freedom as town, and it feels like they want the gamestate to feel that way so the weight comes back to me, so I'd either have to turn on my reads or go all in on them.

Scum have wanted me faded for days now.

[Nashville Dreams]

What an interesting situation we've found ourselves in.

Agreed. Something's off about the positions here but I can't put my finger on it.

[Freedom]

Anyone else want to point out the reason why TicTac confirmed themselves as scum in that post

Go ahead.

They’re saying I need that by going after the Mason + Wolves, trying to imply I’m going after a town Mason, but going after a townie loses the game from a MafiaLeaf POV, so in that scenario I wouldn’t need just a Mason. I’d need a wolf.

I see.
That is true if you're Mafia, with a Town limmed, Werewolves NK one more and then they win but not Mafia.
If you're Town, limming town!tictac also isn't good for you.

[Cephrir]

votecount 7.2

tictac (3) | Sword of Ducks, Freedom, Flavor Leaf

Nashville Dreams (1) | tictac

Not Voting | Klick, Nashville Dreams, Menalque

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-05 11:18:00).

[tictac]

That is true if you're Mafia, with a Town limmed, Werewolves NK one more and then they win but not Mafia.

lim town + shoot wolf was as far as i got into it tbh. (mafia also has a nightkill. btw)

thinking further, in 2:1:1 no possible yeet avoids a town loss, so there isn't gonna be one unless town throws.
then NKs again, so the only possible way town wins is by scum crosskilling.

alternatives:
wolfyeet+masonkill+noyeet+wolfkill: also risks getting shot at twice
wolfyeet+wolfkill+4p w klick alive : yeeting possible here, and the next kill always gonna be klick, so town should yeet. doesn't really seem a lot safer 4 him than risking the additional wkill, but somewhat safer, so probs his best path. + he actually seems like he was planning a freedom-yeet here and is upset that there's townreads.

so i guess it's actually plausible that he thinks i'm a wolf.
too bad he's not correct.

[Flavor Leaf]

Where was I planning a Freedom fade? the slot's been my number 1 town read all game besides STD/SPC.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not Mafia, TicTac.

Klick is never a night kill if both scum teams are alive, though.

[tictac]

It's this gap of understanding why Nashville/Menalque/TicTac are all clearing Freedom that confuses me. They've all just kind of accepted Freedom as town, and it feels like they want the gamestate to feel that way so the weight comes back to me, so I'd either have to turn on my reads or go all in on them.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's this gap of understanding why Nashville/Menalque/TicTac are all clearing Freedom that confuses me. They've all just kind of accepted Freedom as town, and it feels like they want the gamestate to feel that way so the weight comes back to me, so I'd either have to turn on my reads or go all in on them.

that was me stating that i wouldn't turn my reads on them since i've been pushing the other 3 of you as scum.

[Menalque]

Idk why ur trying to convince me of anything when I’ve already said multiple times that I’m just here to sheep klick and give him my opinion if he asks

Trying to test your lack of action.

You’re not trying to sheep Klick, you’re trying to sheep Klick onto me, there’s a difference.

No there isn’t, klick is very aware that I want to kill you and that I’m pretty much sure that you’re the final maf

I’m still deferring to him because I think he cares more than I do and he’s been like the only person I’ve enjoyed this game

@Menalque - Explain your Sword and Freedom reads.

They have been my town reads since Day 1, and they're the two that just happen to be getting universally town read now?

So in your own words, I'd like to see why you town read both Sword and Freedom.

I can’t be bothered, I’ve had wallflower!slot as town since D1 and neither rep has done anything to sway me on that. I can’t remember exactly why past!mena was so confident on wallflower!town but I’m trusting him

Ducks I’ve said multiple times I don’t particularly read as town and I’m just sheeping klick

[Menalque]

I would like to reiterate that not only is it the winning move but it also makes the game approx 1000x more playable and enjoyable if we lim FL today

[Klick]

I'd like to negotiate a scenario where we go on to have a town that can win this game after a Mafia elimination today.

Basically I have some pretty strong confidence in my townreads this game but I also think those players aren't that likely to stick together without me being here basically forcing them to stick together, especially with players like FL and Titus being in this endgame who can convince people of things through sheer force of will regardless of their alignment.

To be specific, Menalque and SoD are town and I'd really like it if I had confidence that they'd sheep me on each other if I wasn't around.

[Klick]

This is scum!Menalque approximately 0% of the time

[Freedom]

I would like to reiterate that not only is it the winning move but it also makes the game approx 1000x more playable and enjoyable if we lim FL today

Why can't we do that tommorrow?

[Freedom]

I would like to reiterate that not only is it the winning move but it also makes the game approx 1000x more playable and enjoyable if we lim FL today

Why can't we do that tomorrow?

EBWOP

This is scum!Menalque approximately 0% of the time

I agree.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would like to reiterate that not only is it the winning move but it also makes the game approx 1000x more playable and enjoyable if we lim FL today

it's actually a losing move.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Menalque is town, Nashville is scum 100% of the time?

I don't see what you guys see in the Menalque scenario, but yeah.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, the scenario where Menalque is town, means Menalque and I have to be on the same page for town to fade correctly.

That kinda sucks.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Sword / Freedom - You wanna just kill Nashville? TicTac voting there means they think they're Mafia or they're a wolf buddy and they're distancing.

Then I just get shot if Nash is a wolf, or I'm cleared if they're Mafia.