Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Harley Quinn]

What would the endgame of that even look like. Imagine every VT claim spontaneously combusted and flipped VT.

That's STD, Titus, Bella, Dwlee.

We'd be left with me, HQ, ari, roden, Ausuka, Enchant, Gamma. I have a hard time imagining what the game even looks like from there.

Worth mentioning that Roden's role is actually somewhat relevant with 1 scum left - if Roden targets the same person as Ausuka, and there is a kill, and Roden sees Ausuka jailing, then Ausuka becomes conftown. Similarly Ari. I mean if Enchant isn't scum then there's a good chance whoever scum is at this point is just deciding to play the game nightlessly so this might not even be relevant.

I did see Enchant get JK'd btw. Pretty sure Ausuka is already conftown though with Wallflower elim.

You too for voyeuring Enchant and mech guilting Wallflower and me as well for blatantly obvious anti-partnery interactions with Wallflower.

So did Ausuka actually jk Enchant then. I thought she might have jk’d a vt to see if Ari died. I’m shocked that both of us are still alive.

[Ausuka]

I jailed Enchant, I'm not a gambit player really. I will continue to do as I claim so town can make accurate conclusions about my jailkeep if I die

[Harley Quinn]

VOTE: Enchant

I guess it was optimal play for scum to nokill here but like

Whatever lol let's just Lim enchant and not be boring

Jailing save the dragons tonight

+1

If it’s not Enchant, that would be my next guess.

I think Titus spewed town by Wallflower. It’s pretty clear to me that she wanted Titus flipped over her.

What’s making me slightly hestitant is that she never mentioned STD but Enchant has suss interactions with HEM. I would rather get as much info as possible just in case we’re wrong, so don’t want to rush this day.

[Harley Quinn]

I jailed Enchant, I'm not a gambit player really. I will continue to do as I claim so town can make accurate conclusions about my jailkeep if I die

I’ll probably vote there. But had you jk’d STD for example and Ari or me died, than you’d have a mech guilty on Enchant right?

Like if Enchant is scum, the only way he kills last night is if he was convinced he was jk’d and had nothing to lose, so it probably is him but we could have been certain.

[Ausuka]

That's only from the perspective that scum has to be Enchant or STD, in which case we win anyway

It still could have been someone like Dwlee in that case.

[Harley Quinn]

That's only from the perspective that scum has to be Enchant or STD, in which case we win anyway

It still could have been someone like Dwlee in that case.

I really think they’re town. Their iso gives me townpings.

[Ausuka]

Then let's say it could have been Titus or someone

[Roden]

VOTE: Enchant

I guess it was optimal play for scum to nokill here but like

Whatever lol let's just Lim enchant and not be boring

Jailing save the dragons tonight

If Enchant is town, I think scum actually fucked up here by going for a no kill. There's too many conftowns for them to win even if they somehow make it to ELo. Ari, Ausuka, Harley are 100% conftown, and I plan to target Gamma tonight to check if he's actually 1-shot Vig or really PGO. If I live then he's confirmed to be Vig and very likely town for trying to shoot Math on N1. If I die then he's either PGO and confscum, or the real scum shot me to frame him and whoever Ausuka jails tonight is conftown. Either way, we gain a conftown.

End game just consists of conftown and consensus town reads at that point, as we'll have plenty of time to cut through the VT claims. Scum just doesn't have enough time to remove all the threats to their victory at this point.

[Ausuka]

I mean PGO is 2 shot and active

He could just not activate it right

[Roden]

I figured Active meant it's always on. Is it just activate only?

[Ausuka]

I think if it was always on it'd be a passive power, I'm pretty sure active means he can actively choose to be a PGO two nights in the game?

[Aristeia]

that is how 2 shot PGO works I think.

Also he could simply be a mafia vig who never shot.

I don't think he is mafia though

[Aristeia]

if people want to do the mechanically more sound plan I'm up for it but I prefer yoloing because I'm easily bored

[Ausuka]

If he's mafia vig who never shot that seems a bit silly because he can't shoot now

[Ausuka]

the mafia have selected the informed modifier - at the end of the second draft phase, the scumteam will receive a piece of information about the draft. if there are any role pairings which were not taken during the draft, the scumteam will be informed of one of these pairings. if there are multiple, they will be informed of one at random. if all role pairings were taken during the draft, the scumteam will be informed of this.

Scum chose not to be multitasking

If gamma is vig he probably really did shoot Math regardless of alignment

[Aristeia]

I don't think a scum vig would shoot mathblade tbh

[Ausuka]

Maybe Gamma is just town then

[Aristeia]

I guess if we limmed Gamma we could turn Implosion into a 1 shot Vig which might potentially be able to clear Implosion if he gets to shoot on a night when the mafia also get a shot through.

[Aristeia]

nightless is kind of annoying huh

[Ausuka]

I like that idea because it's funny

[Aristeia]

if Enchant is Mafia that would mean an Enchant/Wallflower team decided to either shoot Mathblade, shoot noone, or shoot Harley Quinn

does that make sense?

[Ausuka]

I can see them just trying to kill HQ I guess? She was a fairly obvious night 1 kill

[Aristeia]

wait I just realized Wallflower flipping mafia means the mafia had 2 huge numbers hehe

what if the last mafia is titus that would be crazy

[Ausuka]

I mean you don't kill Enchant because lol

You don't kill me because I'm lucky and not threatening

HQ is third in the draft, active and widely townread

Makes sense right

[Aristeia]

yea that's how I thought about it too