In post 36, Aisa wrote:Oof.
I was hoping
hoping
that I'd reread main thread and come out of it like "yep Definitely Actually Not Hectic is scum here".
Actually I came out of it with more of a townread. Which is an issue. Is anyone else here worried about NAHA or should I just shelve it as a lim for this day phase
What made you hope for specifically N-Nect being scum? (Genuine question)
I can visualize the kind of feeling you're describing here though, yes.
In post 37, Aisa wrote:No clue at the moment. Maybe I could be persuaded on Gamma? Maybe you could make an argument that all they had to get townread in this game is to engage more actively and ask more questions. I am underestimating their scum range then they could easily be scum here.
Then again if we're gonna play the "I am underestimating their range" game you could make that argument for nearly everyone, so :/
I've noticed Gamma has a vast range of scumplay that spans from basically doing nothing to more or less singlehandedly winning the game for her team
In post 42, Aisa wrote:Ah screw it here's a NAHA wallpost
Spoiler: wallll
blah why does no one feel towny
oh roden/fidget prob town i forgot lmao
i would probably leader the latter moreso tho
ok i have 5 town including myself im somewhat confident in im gaming now
These are all within 1 minute of each other. Do I believe this is genuine? Overall I think I do.
also i just thought of it but we should maybe plan on being potentially pulled into PTs and doing a minigame that requires some level of coordination that scum may have.
we should definitely think of planning ahead and guessing if such a minigame exists so we know what we will choose in the case of something like a secret vote or something like that
OTOH I do not believe for a second that scum NAHA wouldn't be capable of this.
oh lmao i just realized i kinda did overhype the penguin townread and internally made it stronger than it should be
regardless im fine with my heal there as i think the controversy around it spews penguin town :3
More showing awareness of their reads. Idk I think overall this is a good sign. There is some more of this sorta stuff in their ISO.
ok ill spill why i want to be leader so bad - because i believe that leader gets nightkill immunity likely and id like that for myself.
Yeah I buy that.
It is terrible play to assume a non poster is town. That is how you want me to play. I will not. I will sooner eliminate the 0 poster and expect it to flip scum over most of the rest of the playerlist
This is the type of post that I find hard to parse. On one hand this is a good post. But scum agenda?!?!
I'd go for loki fidget aisa
Thats it
Csf has a fairly polarized game and IMO she has shown her town game here- and there are takes i dont believe she makes as scum, i.e. they feel too bold for her - in that i dont think we mindmeld the way we have this game if she is mafia.
Sure you can call me scum and say that shes just scum with me but if you can see one of us as town the other should come naturally.
I don't really understand these two posts that came within like 5 minutes of one another.
gamma copied my idea of accusing someone of an unnatural townread bc i accused them of it first lmao
realizing that i am a threat this phase as ive caught scum gamma recently after misreading them SoDs
He knows i can find his alignment and thus has to resort to discrediting me.
other players who ive been more successful in reading have done the same - discred me before i gain the power to bury them
I kinda like this.
can people explain why they support the team they are voting by explaining it player by player btw?
It would be helpful in case we are wrong (which i believe is going to happen regardless of the team bc i scumread a person from both)
If there is town between RR/Gamma i believe that it is important for them to towntell in a way that gets their team through so we just win - bc thats the only place i think there is scum atp
This also feels like town Not Hectic.
I don't see it, sorry.
Scum motivation panic aaa, but also rationally this could just as easily come from town.
Maybe this whole trying to read post-by-post trying to find a tone tell is not serving me well in this situation? Maybe I should look at their motivation instead?
I think they have overall good points on the rodent in the main thread and I quite like that?
I find it really hard to accept N-Hectic thinking leader gets NK immunity therefore it was optimal for them to get leader. When I look at a great deal of N-Hect's posts, there are bound to be things like that I find illogical personally.
I think you're on the right track where it's perhaps better to gauge motivations for why N-Hect makes certain reads or pushes at times, rather than try to get tone or judge whether it seems buyable. They're quite capable of faking this or that kind of posting style, I am certain (not to shade I'm just serious).
I know I came and hyped up both Gamma's and N-Hect's scumgames mainly.. I mean, it's a boring take but yeah it's a bit difficult to think that they are definitely town, when they can perform so well and we've still pretty much yet to see most of the suspense and action, I hope.
I tend to (try) to find scum by figuring what scum's motivations are, problem is, not convinced anything in the last phase was motivated.
Maybe it's a safer bet to share our hearts to try and find the non-machine players. Hm
In post 23, Loki Dokie wrote:do we have to lim two players - even if we get lucky and lim the terminator first?
I think Loki operating under the assumption there is only terminator among us seems kinda towny. I see Naha did that too. Why do I find it towny? Uhh, I'll nap on it..
I feel somewhat unwilling to admit defeat towards thinking everyone in this group is town, so the idea of 2 being scum makes me sad. So I see these two do it and go "Yup". Something like that?
In post 40, Aisa wrote:Ok, so you think CSF and NAHA are probably town and you're not sure beyond that. That answers the first half of my question. Do you have a plan for how you're gonna develop a read on the others?
A plan? Not really. I’m just going to go both by my takes on posts and other players’ reasoning, I guess.
For example, my read on CSF got stronger because of this pt, probably the same can be said for NAHA all that was already pretty strong.
is where I’m at rn. CSF continues to ask hard hitting questions which I don’t really see scum doing, speaks to townie mindset imo. NAHA feels really genuine and as to why we’re probably more inclined to think only one terminator? Well I can only speak for myself but only one both makes sense with my reads + I firmly do believe Pooky would be that evil.
Both NAHA and myself were also in Squid game. It’s of course possible I’m wrong but seems unlikely. But it would majorly suck if we did get it right on the first try and have to likely miselim. If it’s the converse. it won’t feel as shitty. And if we don’t get the terminator on the 2nd attempt either, that would really suck.
I like Fidget discussing both NAHA and me. Basically only taking one player out of the PoE feels less townie than removing two or more. Of course if it’s just temporary and Gamma and Aisa were planning to do more than just towncase NAHA. it might not be relevant.
CSF I’m not sure on either way rn
Aisa I still stand by my earlier point that her play feels akin to mine
Fidget posted that sus thing I pointed out earlier and also displayed a certain posting habit I think comes from scum rather often where they post thoughts in clumps which makes it harder to directly interact with them. Tbh I have an idea of who fidget *might* be and if I’m right the fact I picked up that sort of feeling from her is really not a good sign for her
We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
My impression of your posts in thread were that your posts were focused disproportionately on mech/event setup. Early game I feel like that's ok to do, but I think you were doing it as the game picked up a bit more too.
Gamma at the moment, but I'm finding reading people tough. I do think Gamma could benefit from a bit of pushing though. VOTE: Gamma
This could change.
I just looked at my ISO and sure, a disproportionate fraction of my posting is about mech. You may find the fact that I was right mitigating? Around the time I made post 582, for example, I felt that more than one player in thread believed that 1. one crew would get sent to the future 2. one crew would get sent into the past 3. anyone not on either crew would vanish into this air. That's very different from the setup we have, and I though
it may be important
to point out that people could be misinterpreting the setup.
To be fair I can't really defend getting into the mini argument with Penguin about there being a point to having two teams beyond saying that that's just what my nerd heart felt like doing at the time.
If you're saying that I may be scum because I post a lot of mech, I'm going to push back on that a bit.
This is going to sound a bit snappy, and I don't mean it as a personal attack, but it encapsulates what I'm trying to say: try harder. If I am scum, what am I trying to do? Where are my partners? You lack a theory of that at the moment.
Can you explain why? It can be just one sentence if you want.
why, it seems like you agree?
Yes, but maybe you'll have a different perspective on it, which may solidify my read or change the way I think about things. It will also help me gauge how genuine your thought process is.
In post 57, Gamma Emerald wrote:What happened to my play not resembling that other game btw?
In post 37, Aisa wrote:No clue at the moment. Maybe I could be persuaded on Gamma? Maybe you could make an argument that all they had to get townread in this game is to engage more actively and ask more questions. I am underestimating their scum range then they could easily be scum here.
Then again if we're gonna play the "I am underestimating their range" game you could make that argument for nearly everyone, so :/
I've noticed Gamma has a vast range of scumplay that spans from basically doing nothing to more or less singlehandedly winning the game for her team
Also, plausibly, the fact that NotHectic is pushing you and I am bad at thinking for myself.
In post 36, Aisa wrote:Oof.
I was hoping
hoping
that I'd reread main thread and come out of it like "yep Definitely Actually Not Hectic is scum here".
Actually I came out of it with more of a townread. Which is an issue. Is anyone else here worried about NAHA or should I just shelve it as a lim for this day phase
What made you hope for specifically N-Nect being scum? (Genuine question)
[...]
Well I did a quick headcount which went something like this:
"CSF - townlean, Fidget - townlean, Loki - townlean, Gamma - townlean, NAHA - null"
In post 56, Gamma Emerald wrote:CSF I’m not sure on either way rn
Aisa I still stand by my earlier point that her play feels akin to mine
Fidget posted that sus thing I pointed out earlier and also displayed a certain posting habit I think comes from scum rather often where they post thoughts in clumps which makes it harder to directly interact with them. Tbh I have an idea of who fidget *might* be and if I’m right the fact I picked up that sort of feeling from her is really not a good sign for her
Is that your only reason for sr her? because I don’t think that is in anyway ai for her. I know that for a fact that it is definitely not scum indicative for her.
What about her play “feels similar to [yours]”?
Also do you think scum!CSF makes these kinds of posts? It was not easy to see it in the main thread but here it’s really visible, she’s really digging and asking lots of questions.
You haven’t given a single not vague reason for any of these reads. I do know who Fidget is and I gathered from her posts in the main thread that she also knows who I am as well.
In post 57, Gamma Emerald wrote:What happened to my play not resembling that other game btw?
You mean OMB? That was in the beginning when you didn’t seem to be doing too much but then you took a far more active role with reads on FB and Enchant.
In post 36, Aisa wrote:Oof.
I was hoping
hoping
that I'd reread main thread and come out of it like "yep Definitely Actually Not Hectic is scum here".
Actually I came out of it with more of a townread. Which is an issue. Is anyone else here worried about NAHA or should I just shelve it as a lim for this day phase
What made you hope for specifically N-Nect being scum? (Genuine question)
[...]
Well I did a quick headcount which went something like this:
"CSF - townlean, Fidget - townlean, Loki - townlean, Gamma - townlean, NAHA - null"
Who in the game was specifically sr NAHA except maybe for RR I think?
Gamma Emerald wrote:I tried to re-ISO Fidget to get a more confident feeling there because my townread has been fading and I got nothing, but I noticed some Andante posts from earlier in the game that feel pretty scummy
Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Team 2
I definitely think this is the
better
of the two options
@Gamma, can you explain this thought progression here?
If your townread on Fidget had “been fading”, then why were you so confident that this was the better option? It can very easily be argued that if you’re scum, you would have had a much more difficult time pushing Andante in a team 1 pt because none of ejjii, NAHA nor RR would have been onboard with that, leaving only me as the sole possibility to convince.
In post 4, Fidget wrote:Wait, spewed scum in both groups? What does that mean? You mean that I was pretty much under the assumption the mission would fail?
I think you posted something under the assumption of that, which I feel like you shouldn't have believed to have happen as as I'm pretty sure you TRed most people in this group
In post 7, Fidget wrote:So you think that I should have had more confidence in this group being all town.. why? I can't say it's terribly often the game is consensus solved that hard D1, and much less so when we're not playing with eliminations yet.
Fidget wrote:can i join if the time travel thing doesn't pan out? Blackjack and hookers sounds like a promising plan B
This feels like knowing the game would’ve continued if the other team had been selected
I’m not really a fan of your reasoning for pushing Fidget. Andante also believed that scum was on both teams. Like none of this is a valid reason to be sr someone.
Because your reasoning here contradicts itself. You sr both Fidget and Andante for thinking mission would fail and voting team 2 but the difference is that you demonstrated a clear preference for team 2 despite expressing suspicion on Fidget, so how is it not logical for her not to be confident that mission would succeed when your post right before voting for team 2 was to suss her?
NAFA clearly didn’t expect it to succeed either but they are one of your top trs.
In post 56, Gamma Emerald wrote:Fidget posted that sus thing I pointed out earlier and also displayed a certain posting habit I think comes from scum rather often where they post thoughts in clumps which makes it harder to directly interact with them. Tbh I have an idea of who fidget *might* be and if I’m right the fact I picked up that sort of feeling from her is really not a good sign for her
I don't understand why you think me assuming both teams wouldn't win is scummy.
I get your second point, but I have work and college classes now. Also, I kinda have been making it a point to directly interact when I can. I'm not bothered by it, but I am trying to limit my game time a bit and my schedule is somewhat eccentric.
That's basically all excuses but idk if your suspicion is all that persuasive. I do think that what you're alluding to about my meta might be plausible.
Although.. I usually post like this in bunches as Fidg, and I've mostly or only played town as far as i remember
In post 56, Gamma Emerald wrote:CSF I’m not sure on either way rn
Aisa I still stand by my earlier point that her play feels akin to mine
Fidget posted that sus thing I pointed out earlier and also displayed a certain posting habit I think comes from scum rather often where they post thoughts in clumps which makes it harder to directly interact with them. Tbh I have an idea of who fidget *might* be and if I’m right the fact I picked up that sort of feeling from her is really not a good sign for her
What was that “sus thing” other than what you’ve already posted here?
In post 4, Fidget wrote:Wait, spewed scum in both groups? What does that mean? You mean that I was pretty much under the assumption the mission would fail?
I think you posted something under the assumption of that, which I feel like you shouldn't have believed to have happen as as I'm pretty sure you TRed most people in this group
In post 7, Fidget wrote:So you think that I should have had more confidence in this group being all town.. why? I can't say it's terribly often the game is consensus solved that hard D1, and much less so when we're not playing with eliminations yet.
Fidget wrote:can i join if the time travel thing doesn't pan out? Blackjack and hookers sounds like a promising plan B
This feels like knowing the game would’ve continued if the other team had been selected
I’m not really a fan of your reasoning for pushing Fidget. Andante also believed that scum was on both teams. Like none of this is a valid reason to be sr someone.
Because your reasoning here contradicts itself. You sr both Fidget and Andante for thinking mission would fail and voting team 2 but the difference is that you demonstrated a clear preference for team 2 despite expressing suspicion on Fidget, so how is it not logical for her not to be confident that mission would succeed when your post right before voting for team 2 was to suss her?
NAFA clearly didn’t expect it to succeed either but they are one of your top trs.
You have a very good point that I cannot have been the only offender of assuming both teams blah blah blah.
I didn't expect the mission to fail because of any particular read on me or particular individual though
In post 56, Gamma Emerald wrote:Fidget posted that sus thing I pointed out earlier and also displayed a certain posting habit I think comes from scum rather often where they post thoughts in clumps which makes it harder to directly interact with them. Tbh I have an idea of who fidget *might* be and if I’m right the fact I picked up that sort of feeling from her is really not a good sign for her
I don't understand why you think me assuming both teams wouldn't win is scummy.
I get your second point, but I have work and college classes now. Also, I kinda have been making it a point to directly interact when I can. I'm not bothered by it, but I am trying to limit my game time a bit and my schedule is somewhat eccentric.
That's basically all excuses but idk if your suspicion is all that persuasive. I do think that what you're alluding to about my meta might be plausible.
Although.. I usually post like this in bunches as Fidg, and I've mostly or only played town as far as i remember
Well I know that the posting argument isn’t valid. Whether or not Gamma actually believes it is, is a different matter entirely.
In post 4, Fidget wrote:Wait, spewed scum in both groups? What does that mean? You mean that I was pretty much under the assumption the mission would fail?
I think you posted something under the assumption of that, which I feel like you shouldn't have believed to have happen as as I'm pretty sure you TRed most people in this group
In post 7, Fidget wrote:So you think that I should have had more confidence in this group being all town.. why? I can't say it's terribly often the game is consensus solved that hard D1, and much less so when we're not playing with eliminations yet.
Fidget wrote:can i join if the time travel thing doesn't pan out? Blackjack and hookers sounds like a promising plan B
This feels like knowing the game would’ve continued if the other team had been selected
I’m not really a fan of your reasoning for pushing Fidget. Andante also believed that scum was on both teams. Like none of this is a valid reason to be sr someone.
Because your reasoning here contradicts itself. You sr both Fidget and Andante for thinking mission would fail and voting team 2 but the difference is that you demonstrated a clear preference for team 2 despite expressing suspicion on Fidget, so how is it not logical for her not to be confident that mission would succeed when your post right before voting for team 2 was to suss her?
NAFA clearly didn’t expect it to succeed either but they are one of your top trs.
You have a very good point that I cannot have been the only offender of assuming both teams blah blah blah.
I didn't expect the mission to fail because of any particular read on me or particular individual though
Yeah that’s my point. Gamma should logically also be sr NAHA if he really believed that was somehow scum indicative.
In post 36, Aisa wrote:Oof.
I was hoping
hoping
that I'd reread main thread and come out of it like "yep Definitely Actually Not Hectic is scum here".
Actually I came out of it with more of a townread. Which is an issue. Is anyone else here worried about NAHA or should I just shelve it as a lim for this day phase
What made you hope for specifically N-Nect being scum? (Genuine question)
[...]
Well I did a quick headcount which went something like this:
"CSF - townlean, Fidget - townlean, Loki - townlean, Gamma - townlean, NAHA - null"
My impression of your posts in thread were that your posts were focused disproportionately on mech/event setup. Early game I feel like that's ok to do, but I think you were doing it as the game picked up a bit more too.
Gamma at the moment, but I'm finding reading people tough. I do think Gamma could benefit from a bit of pushing though. VOTE: Gamma
This could change.
....
If you're saying that I may be scum because I post a lot of mech, I'm going to push back on that a bit.
This is going to sound a bit snappy, and I don't mean it as a personal attack, but it encapsulates what I'm trying to say: try harder. If I am scum, what am I trying to do? Where are my partners? You lack a theory of that at the moment.
Mech heaviness is a traditional scumtell since scum can produce it honestly and generally more easily than some other types of content. It also varies largely on playstyle. I disagree that scum always has a specific agenda to what they are doing. Sometimes just trying to be yourself is better than pushing something.
Which one(s) of you are made out of metal... hm...?
pedit: Well maybe it only applies to just me. For whatever reason. I do not know.
I didn't mean to quote 60 although because I did ill say, yeah, that's plausible. Going back to the game has felt like "I hope this person I townread the least on this particular whim did something I find scummy so I'm not totally LOST"
I say whoever on a whim because I've considered Aisa, NAHA, and Gamma so far already and who knows. Hmm
Cat Scratch Fever wrote:What's with people coming out of the woodwork complaining about teams after they've been selected
I floated my proposed team long before i actually locked it in so people can talk about it, and I don't remember this much opposition to the teams then? Like barely anyone pushed back
For real.
A lot of caring after the fact.
I didn't particularly care how the teams were done before or after. I don't really see the PoV of those that didn't really feel like playing phase 1 (which is fair enough), but then to complain about the teams and make that their contribution to the discussion. Isn't that blatantly the scummiest and least effort way of going about this? Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation
That sounded a bit like a jealous crush there or something. Sorry.
I don't even think I had done the "assume both teams lose" thing yet at this point, what had you suspicious there I wonder? Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation
Gamma Emerald wrote:I tried to re-ISO Fidget to get a more confident feeling there because my townread has been fading and I got nothing, but I noticed some Andante posts from earlier in the game that feel pretty scummy
That's probably because Andante is scum. Maybe. I have a soft spot for anyone who agrees with me on that.
whoever wants me I guess, cause like NAHA is likely town, but voiced they don't want me on their team, so like, it's whatever. I hate picking teams, so yeah have fun. pick me or don't but if I'm on a team, I'd rather be on your team, cause even if I didn't sr CSF before "I'll just pick everyone who healed me" is not a team I wanna join lmao
Gamma's PoE is pretty good tbh, I doubt I'm changing my mind on this in the next 30 mins
this is terrible lol my 3 SRs are there. Aisa, Fidget and Gamma
wow this is actually blatant OMGUS, get fucking rekt
I'm finding it difficult to suspect Gamma when he's spitting fire about Andante. I'm starting to suspect Andante again the more I study you all's ISOs. Lol.
