The Future

[Fidget]

This is difficult because, given the choice, I wouldn't have chopped any of you this soon in the game, I would have wanted to use flips and spend more time with you all in order to find the wolf.

Hm, all the more reason to be correct with one of these eliminations, at least, I suppose. If we mislim, I'll be sure to tell stories about you (assuming it's not me).

[Fidget]

Spoiler: NAHA talking about Gamma

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

I think I’m back to suspecting NAHA
their Loki read philosophy seems kinda off here
I think in general they should have different reads as town

I sure wonder what agenda driven reason there might be for this post

I'm not sure. Is it particularly helpful to a scum agenda to suspect you? How is that inherently different from any other suspicion?

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

gamma copied my idea of accusing someone of an unnatural townread bc i accused them of it first lmao
realizing that i am a threat this phase as ive caught scum gamma recently after misreading them SoDs

He knows i can find his alignment and thus has to resort to discrediting me.
other players who ive been more successful in reading have done the same - discred me before i gain the power to bury them

Nyeh. No.

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

im sick today

can people explain why they support the team they are voting by explaining it player by player btw?
It would be helpful in case we are wrong (which i believe is going to happen regardless of the team bc i scumread a person from both)
If there is town between RR/Gamma i believe that it is important for them to towntell in a way that gets their team through so we just win - bc thats the only place i think there is scum atp

Okay nevermind. But since I saw something similar,

Spoiler: NAHA talking about RR

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

Note that RR froze up after showing a hard inconsistency in thought

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

What inconsistency are you even talking about?

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

I still think RR slipped their reads arent genuine in their post where i accused them of townreading me before and not having progression while simultaneously not myself realizing i was quoting a post where they scumread me but when replying they did not even realize said inconsistency as one who had a genuine read there would.

So, essentially, you made an inconsistent read, RR reacted in a confusing way, and you attributed RR's reaction to them being scum not noticing your mistake whereas town would have?

Don't you think it's also possible you're only one who noticed that inconsistency and you're attributed a break in RR's posting (a poster who didn't really post super frequently) to it unnecessarily?

I realize I am spending a lot of time on players not in this group. Bear with me.

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

What's with people coming out of the woodwork complaining about teams after they've been selected

I floated my proposed team long before i actually locked it in so people can talk about it, and I don't remember this much opposition to the teams then? Like barely anyone pushed back

For real.

A lot of caring after the fact.

I didn't particularly care how the teams were done before or after. I don't really see the PoV of those that didn't really feel like playing phase 1 (which is fair enough), but then to complain about the teams and make that their contribution to the discussion. Isn't that blatantly the scummiest and least effort way of going about this?
Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

lol ok, I think Loki and Aisa are 2 maf

0/2 there champ

I wish you felt that way about me.

That sounded a bit like a jealous crush there or something. Sorry.

I don't even think I had done the "assume both teams lose" thing yet at this point, what had you suspicious there I wonder?
Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

I tried to re-ISO Fidget to get a more confident feeling there because my townread has been fading and I got nothing, but I noticed some Andante posts from earlier in the game that feel pretty scummy

That's probably because Andante is scum. Maybe. I have a soft spot for anyone who agrees with me on that.

Spoiler: long quote

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

who do you want your other teammates to be tho?

whoever wants me I guess, cause like NAHA is likely town, but voiced they don't want me on their team, so like, it's whatever. I hate picking teams, so yeah have fun. pick me or don't but if I'm on a team, I'd rather be on your team, cause even if I didn't sr CSF before "I'll just pick everyone who healed me" is not a team I wanna join lmao

If you want a bunch of town

RR, me, you, gamma, naha, probably penguin?

something like that would just end the game

Gamma Emerald
Aisa
NotAHecticAlt
Fidget
ejjinami
Cat Scratch Fever
Firebringer
Enchant
Loki Dokie

Radical Rat
Toogeloo
PenguinPower
Andante

snapshot of my reads/PoE rn

YO WHY AM I THE LOWEST?

HEAL: Loki, Hectic, Gamma, Fidget, Aisa

Gamma's PoE is pretty good tbh, I doubt I'm changing my mind on this in the next 30 mins

this is terrible lol my 3 SRs are there. Aisa, Fidget and Gamma

wow this is actually blatant OMGUS, get fucking rekt

I'm finding it difficult to suspect Gamma when he's spitting fire about Andante. I'm starting to suspect Andante again the more I study you all's ISOs. Lol.

Other than the fact that Andante isn’t in this pt and one scum is. Idk how really helpful that is? Idk if I agree with you on Andante!scum but ejji has some of the oddest reads and while I do think that it should be obvious to Andante that I’m town by now, her outrage over being sr did seem to feel pretty genuine to me, so since I lean towards her being town rn, Gamma sussing her, doesn’t really affect my read all that much. But we’ll obviously hopefully find out more on that once we’re back in the main thread.

But here’s the thing Fidget, who do you think is scum in THIS pt?

[Gamma Emerald]

What happened to my play not resembling that other game btw?

You mean OMB? That was in the beginning when you didn’t seem to be doing too much but then you took a far more active role with reads on FB and Enchant.

That’s not the game I thought you were referencing

[Loki Dokie]

This is difficult because, given the choice, I wouldn't have chopped any of you this soon in the game, I would have wanted to use flips and spend more time with you all in order to find the wolf.

Hm, all the more reason to be correct with one of these eliminations, at least, I suppose. If we mislim, I'll be sure to tell stories about you (assuming it's not me).

I wouldn’t have either. I thought it was going to succeed, especially because toog voted team 1 but perhaps I wasn’t wrong about the wifomming.

I think the fact that we have to yeet two of us, makes a miselim pretty likely I would assume, since I think it unlikely we have more than one saboteur.

[Gamma Emerald]

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

I tried to re-ISO Fidget to get a more confident feeling there because my townread has been fading and I got nothing, but I noticed some Andante posts from earlier in the game that feel pretty scummy

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

VOTE: Team 2
I definitely think this is the

better

of the two options

@Gamma, can you explain this thought progression here?

If your townread on Fidget had “been fading”, then why were you so confident that this was the better option? It can very easily be argued that if you’re scum, you would have had a much more difficult time pushing Andante in a team 1 pt because none of ejjii, NAHA nor RR would have been onboard with that, leaving only me as the sole possibility to convince.

I didn’t have any trust in Andante, whilst I did still think Fidget could be town

[Loki Dokie]

What happened to my play not resembling that other game btw?

You mean OMB? That was in the beginning when you didn’t seem to be doing too much but then you took a far more active role with reads on FB and Enchant.

That’s not the game I thought you were referencing

Oh really? I can’t imagine what other game you could be thinking about then because I don’t recall any other game you were scum in where we needed to elect a leader.

[Gamma Emerald]

CSF I’m not sure on either way rn
Aisa I still stand by my earlier point that her play feels akin to mine
Fidget posted that sus thing I pointed out earlier and also displayed a certain posting habit I think comes from scum rather often where they post thoughts in clumps which makes it harder to directly interact with them. Tbh I have an idea of who fidget *might* be and if I’m right the fact I picked up that sort of feeling from her is really not a good sign for her

What was that “sus thing” other than what you’ve already posted here?

Why the fuck even bother, your standards for my play seem absolutely inane
How the hell was me not being active towny for me?

[Loki Dokie]

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

I tried to re-ISO Fidget to get a more confident feeling there because my townread has been fading and I got nothing, but I noticed some Andante posts from earlier in the game that feel pretty scummy

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

VOTE: Team 2
I definitely think this is the

better

of the two options

@Gamma, can you explain this thought progression here?

If your townread on Fidget had “been fading”, then why were you so confident that this was the better option? It can very easily be argued that if you’re scum, you would have had a much more difficult time pushing Andante in a team 1 pt because none of ejjii, NAHA nor RR would have been onboard with that, leaving only me as the sole possibility to convince.

I didn’t have any trust in Andante, whilst I did still think Fidget could be town

So has your read on Andante changed then, considering you’re voting Fidget?

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler:

VOTE: fidget
think she spewed scum in both groups in the main thread

Wait, spewed scum in both groups? What does that mean? You mean that I was pretty much under the assumption the mission would fail?

I think you posted something under the assumption of that, which I feel like you shouldn't have believed to have happen as as I'm pretty sure you TRed most people in this group

So you think that I should have had more confidence in this group being all town.. why? I can't say it's terribly often the game is consensus solved that hard D1, and much less so when we're not playing with eliminations yet.

That’s not my point that I’m making

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

can i join if the time travel thing doesn't pan out? Blackjack and hookers sounds like a promising plan B

This feels like knowing the game would’ve continued if the other team had been selected

I’m not really a fan of your reasoning for pushing Fidget. Andante also believed that scum was on both teams. Like none of this is a valid reason to be sr someone.

Because your reasoning here contradicts itself. You sr both Fidget and Andante for thinking mission would fail and voting team 2 but the difference is that you demonstrated a clear preference for team 2 despite expressing suspicion on Fidget, so how is it not logical for her not to be confident that mission would succeed when your post right before voting for team 2 was to suss her?

NAFA clearly didn’t expect it to succeed either but they are one of your top trs.

You have a very good point that I cannot have been the only offender of assuming both teams blah blah blah.

I didn't expect the mission to fail because of any particular read on me or particular individual though

Yeah that’s my point. Gamma should logically also be sr NAHA if he really believed that was somehow scum indicative.

I feel like this is an incredibly bad assumption that my reads would operate on this sort of cut and dry logic

[Gamma Emerald]

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

I tried to re-ISO Fidget to get a more confident feeling there because my townread has been fading and I got nothing, but I noticed some Andante posts from earlier in the game that feel pretty scummy

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

VOTE: Team 2
I definitely think this is the

better

of the two options

@Gamma, can you explain this thought progression here?

If your townread on Fidget had “been fading”, then why were you so confident that this was the better option? It can very easily be argued that if you’re scum, you would have had a much more difficult time pushing Andante in a team 1 pt because none of ejjii, NAHA nor RR would have been onboard with that, leaving only me as the sole possibility to convince.

I didn’t have any trust in Andante, whilst I did still think Fidget could be town

So has your read on Andante changed then, considering you’re voting Fidget?

No
Why would it have?!? This seems like an incredibly bad faith direction to take that point and it’s not the first time you’ve done it this game

[Loki Dokie]

CSF I’m not sure on either way rn
Aisa I still stand by my earlier point that her play feels akin to mine
Fidget posted that sus thing I pointed out earlier and also displayed a certain posting habit I think comes from scum rather often where they post thoughts in clumps which makes it harder to directly interact with them. Tbh I have an idea of who fidget *might* be and if I’m right the fact I picked up that sort of feeling from her is really not a good sign for her

What was that “sus thing” other than what you’ve already posted here?

Why the fuck even bother, your standards for my play seem absolutely inane
How the hell was me not being active towny for me?

I didn’t say that. I was basing that on comparing OMB to this game, not activity levels in general. You getting upset with me isn’t making this any easier for me.

As Fidget said, no one in this pt was anywhere near my shortlist for scum until it failed and you still haven’t clearly explained your reasons for sr Fidget.

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

VOTE: fidget
think she spewed scum in both groups in the main thread

Wait, spewed scum in both groups? What does that mean? You mean that I was pretty much under the assumption the mission would fail?

I think you posted something under the assumption of that, which I feel like you shouldn't have believed to have happen as as I'm pretty sure you TRed most people in this group

So you think that I should have had more confidence in this group being all town.. why? I can't say it's terribly often the game is consensus solved that hard D1, and much less so when we're not playing with eliminations yet.

That’s not my point that I’m making

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

can i join if the time travel thing doesn't pan out? Blackjack and hookers sounds like a promising plan B

This feels like knowing the game would’ve continued if the other team had been selected

I’m not really a fan of your reasoning for pushing Fidget. Andante also believed that scum was on both teams. Like none of this is a valid reason to be sr someone.

Because your reasoning here contradicts itself. You sr both Fidget and Andante for thinking mission would fail and voting team 2 but the difference is that you demonstrated a clear preference for team 2 despite expressing suspicion on Fidget, so how is it not logical for her not to be confident that mission would succeed when your post right before voting for team 2 was to suss her?

NAFA clearly didn’t expect it to succeed either but they are one of your top trs.

You have a very good point that I cannot have been the only offender of assuming both teams blah blah blah.

I didn't expect the mission to fail because of any particular read on me or particular individual though

Yeah that’s my point. Gamma should logically also be sr NAHA if he really believed that was somehow scum indicative.

I feel like this is an incredibly bad assumption that my reads would operate on this sort of cut and dry logic

You just keep discrediting me without addressing any of my points.

If you sr one player for thinking teams would fail why not the other?

It’s a good fucking question!

[Loki Dokie]

You are basically sr Fidget for that blackjack and hookers comment but townreading NAHA for also not expecting teams to succeed. That is illogical and you’re response to my pointing that out, is to call my take “inane”.

[Loki Dokie]

So Gamma, what is your current read on Andante and who did you want Fire to have replaced on ejii’s team?

[Gamma Emerald]

Take a wild fucking guess

[Gamma Emerald]

You are basically sr Fidget for that blackjack and hookers comment but townreading NAHA for also not expecting teams to succeed. That is illogical and you’re response to my pointing that out, is to call my take “inane”.

I’m not flatly calling expecting both teams to fail scummy, where the fuck have I indicated that?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: loki dokie
You are making incredibly shit arguments that overlook all nuance, so I think you’re scum atp, plus your TR of me early on now appears completely unfounded

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: Gamma

You doing this omgus insteas of answering a single one of my questions is clearly bs.

Oh and after I flip town, what will you say then because you know I will.

[Loki Dokie]

You aren’t going to either bullshit manipulate me with AtE when I asked you perfectly legit questions, which you could have actually tried to answer but since you won’t. I don’t tr this blatant attempt to manipulate me.

CSF, NAHA still town after I flip. Probably Fidget as well since Gamma’s pushing both of us.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Sucker.

[Fidget]

Okay then.

[Fidget]

Who knew dreams of blackjack and hookers could lead us down such a troubling path...

[Fidget]

I see what Gamma is saying -- Just because he thinks I'm scummy, that doesn't mean Andante is now town by proxy just because Andante's one of my primary suspicions.

Does sort of seem.... weird Gamma never mentioned it though. It's something that makes me hesitant about him.

All in all, this particular conversation didn't seem like it was going anywhere so I'm perfectly content with proceeding forward.

[Loki Dokie]

Aisa could still be town too because Pooky is evil > likely than two saboteurs, so that won’t be fun considering Gamma’s reaction to my questions makes absolutely no sense if town.


In the game I wrongly tunnelled you, you actually gave explanations as to why I was wrong, it was only after when I refused to listen to any, did you react anything like this.