The Future

[Gamma Emerald]

What happened to my play not resembling that other game btw?

You mean OMB? That was in the beginning when you didn’t seem to be doing too much but then you took a far more active role with reads on FB and Enchant.

like, I'mm pretty sure this is bunk bcuz I was actually rather laid back for the first part of OMB as well so thinking I was town here feels a bit off. I think Loki pulled a thorHead here.

[Gamma Emerald]

I self voted because I was pissed that NAHA and Loki both felt like they weren’t sorting me in good faith
As such I decided “fuck it if these morons want to waste a lim on me might as well lock them in”
My Loki vote was explicitly to bait her into voting me

If Fidget is suss for thinking both teams will fail, why is Fidget different from NAHA <-- I don't think this was answered

it's not about both teams failing, it's about the tone of fidget's post, it felt less like "I think either one would fail because of reads" and more "I know they'll both fail because I know who scum is"
Also, I have NAHA as town for reasons that, even if I did think that thinking both teams would fail was scummy, would supercede that.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Loki Dokie
for real this time, I actually think both Fidget and CSF have shown to be town in here, so my original PoE is scrapped

[Loki Dokie]

if I were to be generous with a PoE, to expand it from gamma i'd have [CSF, Fidget] in it fwiw.

Aisa and Loki I have pretty much as hard town

Why CSF? I really liked the questions they were asking?

[Loki Dokie]

[...]
Mech heaviness is a traditional scumtell since scum can produce it honestly and generally more easily than some other types of content.
[...]

Fair enough. Though ironically, I also find it easier to produce than other types of content!

Spoiler: Conspiracy theory

Loki vs Gamma scum v scum??

Though I think there is a decent chance Gamma flips scum here, I hope they are ok.

I am town. Gamma’s flipping out, discrediting and shading me for asking perfectly valid logical questions is whack.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VC 1.2

Gamma Emerald[3]:

NotAHecticAlt, Aisa, Loki Dokie

Aisa[1]:

Cat Scratch Fever

Loki Dokie[1]:

Gamma Emerald

not voting [1]:

Fidget

Mod Note

There are no "hammers" in plurality elimination rules. Whoever has the most votes at the end of the deadline will be eliminated

Event

Deadline

(expired on 2022-06-28 22:00:00)

[Loki Dokie]

Also that was a hammer yeah? I have no faith in my ability to count votes anymore.
I wonder if the thread gets locked immediately or if we get an extended twilight until the other group makes their elim?

Spoiler: NAHA talking about Gamma

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

I think I’m back to suspecting NAHA
their Loki read philosophy seems kinda off here
I think in general they should have different reads as town

I sure wonder what agenda driven reason there might be for this post

I'm not sure. Is it particularly helpful to a scum agenda to suspect you? How is that inherently different from any other suspicion?

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

gamma copied my idea of accusing someone of an unnatural townread bc i accused them of it first lmao
realizing that i am a threat this phase as ive caught scum gamma recently after misreading them SoDs

He knows i can find his alignment and thus has to resort to discrediting me.
other players who ive been more successful in reading have done the same - discred me before i gain the power to bury them

Nyeh. No.

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

im sick today

can people explain why they support the team they are voting by explaining it player by player btw?
It would be helpful in case we are wrong (which i believe is going to happen regardless of the team bc i scumread a person from both)
If there is town between RR/Gamma i believe that it is important for them to towntell in a way that gets their team through so we just win - bc thats the only place i think there is scum atp

Okay nevermind. But since I saw something similar,

Spoiler: NAHA talking about RR

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

Note that RR froze up after showing a hard inconsistency in thought

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

What inconsistency are you even talking about?

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

I still think RR slipped their reads arent genuine in their post where i accused them of townreading me before and not having progression while simultaneously not myself realizing i was quoting a post where they scumread me but when replying they did not even realize said inconsistency as one who had a genuine read there would.

So, essentially, you made an inconsistent read, RR reacted in a confusing way, and you attributed RR's reaction to them being scum not noticing your mistake whereas town would have?

Don't you think it's also possible you're only one who noticed that inconsistency and you're attributed a break in RR's posting (a poster who didn't really post super frequently) to it unnecessarily?

I realize I am spending a lot of time on players not in this group. Bear with me.

Do people think Fidg does this as scum? Do they try so hard?

I haven’t seen Fidget’s scumgame so can’t answer that but I can tell you that the reasons Gamma gave for sr her - wrt to post length aren’t ai. And the second reason didn’t make sense to me: re the blackjack and hookers thing and he still has refused to explain why he trs NAHA for also thinking that the wagon could fail. In fact. I’m surz there’s a post where he said he thought that the wagons were “impure” or something, so it doesn’t make any sense.

[Gamma Emerald]

[...]
Mech heaviness is a traditional scumtell since scum can produce it honestly and generally more easily than some other types of content.
[...]

Fair enough. Though ironically, I also find it easier to produce than other types of content!

Spoiler: Conspiracy theory

Loki vs Gamma scum v scum??

Though I think there is a decent chance Gamma flips scum here, I hope they are ok.

I am town. Gamma’s flipping out, discrediting and shading me for asking perfectly valid logical questions is whack.

I think the way you're posing your questions is rather shallow
I've actually responded to others who asked similar things because it doesn't feel like they are demanding I handhold them through my entire thought process

[Loki Dokie]

if gamma flips scum i offer myself as tribute because i kinda dont have as much time for games as i thought anymore so it would help

But you probably have the best chance at solving the game game. :/

[Gamma Emerald]

I haven’t seen Fidget’s scumgame so can’t answer that but I can tell you that the reasons Gamma gave for sr her - wrt to post length aren’t ai. And the second reason didn’t make sense to me: re the blackjack and hookers thing and he still has refused to explain why he trs NAHA for also thinking that the wagon could fail. In fact. I’m surz there’s a post where he said he thought that the wagons were “impure” or something, so it doesn’t make any sense.

yeah this is shitty gotcha reasoning, kill this

[Loki Dokie]

I self voted because I was pissed that NAHA and Loki both felt like they weren’t sorting me in good faith
As such I decided “fuck it if these morons want to waste a lim on me might as well lock them in”
My Loki vote was explicitly to bait her into voting me

I did because I won’t allow myself to be emotionally manipulated like that especially when you refused to answer even one of my totally valid questions.

And then you called me a “sucker” so it looked like you had conceded.

[Loki Dokie]

Aisa while you're here

I just looked at my ISO and sure, a disproportionate fraction of my posting is about mech. You may find the fact that I was right mitigating? Around the time I made post 582, for example, I felt that more than one player in thread believed that 1. one crew would get sent to the future 2. one crew would get sent into the past 3. anyone not on either crew would vanish into this air. That's very different from the setup we have, and I though

it may be important

to point out that people could be misinterpreting the setup.
To be fair I can't really defend getting into the mini argument with Penguin about there being a point to having two teams beyond saying that that's just what my nerd heart felt like doing at the time.

If you're saying that I may be scum because I post a lot of mech, I'm going to push back on that a bit.
This is going to sound a bit snappy, and I don't mean it as a personal attack, but it encapsulates what I'm trying to say: try harder. If I am scum, what am I trying to do? Where are my partners? You lack a theory of that at the moment.

I generally think talking about spec is easier - scum can truthtell about mech, whereas talking about reads is harder because they have to generate and maintain fake thoughts about who they think scum may be. But I'll read your posts about Gamma shortly.

We've had 0 flips, I don't think it's reasonable to assume people should have a theory for what the scum is doing behind the scenes right now.

For example, I think Toog is scummy, but more for lack of contribution rather than actively pushing a scummy agenda.

Yeah I really think that this is scum!toog here. ISO him in Anything uPick. He was doing a helluva lot more.

[Loki Dokie]

Though one theory that I thought of while rereading parts of event two last night was that scum are motivated to select a team with 1 scum, like in coalition, so when the coalition fails, the PoE contains 1 scum or something like that.

I felt like it was odd that Andante was voting for team 2, even though she said she was scumreading 3 people in this team. That would lend more credence to the 1 scum in this group theory.

So what do you think that means? Andante seemed to believe scum were in both groups and her reasoning is that she’d get blamed since she’s apparently tr RR, which I’m still unsure of.

[Loki Dokie]

It would also explain why this group got hammered fairly easily without much resistance.

Yeah, I was planning to vote 2 as well but didn’t see the point in rushing things but then thead was locked and I got this link.

Since my most confident sr is toog, I thought him voting 1 meant scum was on that team because he never explained who he sr from team 2 but the only differences were you, Fidget and Asia.

[Loki Dokie]

NAHA why is Loki town for you? Because my TR there is kinda evaporated as a result of a) the meta read being way off base to what I was expecting and b) pushing bad logic against me, which he did earlier against you in the leader election phase

If I’m wrong Gamma, why haven’t you even tried to answer any of my questions?

[Loki Dokie]

I self voted because I was pissed that NAHA and Loki both felt like they weren’t sorting me in good faith
As such I decided “fuck it if these morons want to waste a lim on me might as well lock them in”
My Loki vote was explicitly to bait her into voting me

If Fidget is suss for thinking both teams will fail, why is Fidget different from NAHA <-- I don't think this was answered

Yes, that’s exactly what I asked Gamma and he went nuts on me.

[Loki Dokie]

What happened to my play not resembling that other game btw?

You mean OMB? That was in the beginning when you didn’t seem to be doing too much but then you took a far more active role with reads on FB and Enchant.

like, I'mm pretty sure this is bunk bcuz I was actually rather laid back for the first part of OMB as well so thinking I was town here feels a bit off. I think Loki pulled a thorHead here.

No you tried to hardpush me to vote I can’t recall their name offhand - the one who became leader. You said something to the effect of “why aren’t you voting them?

So I tr your more laid back attitude about that here.

[Loki Dokie]

I self voted because I was pissed that NAHA and Loki both felt like they weren’t sorting me in good faith
As such I decided “fuck it if these morons want to waste a lim on me might as well lock them in”
My Loki vote was explicitly to bait her into voting me

If Fidget is suss for thinking both teams will fail, why is Fidget different from NAHA <-- I don't think this was answered

it's not about both teams failing, it's about the tone of fidget's post, it felt less like "I think either one would fail because of reads" and more "I know they'll both fail because I know who scum is"
Also, I have NAHA as town for reasons that, even if I did think that thinking both teams would fail was scummy, would supercede that.

So why tf didn’t you just answer that when I initially asked you? Why the bs shitpush on me?

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: Loki Dokie
for real this time, I actually think both Fidget and CSF have shown to be town in here, so my original PoE is scrapped

So you refuse to answer any of my questions but do when CSF asks you the exact same goddamned question but I’m scum here, ok.

[Loki Dokie]

[...]
Mech heaviness is a traditional scumtell since scum can produce it honestly and generally more easily than some other types of content.
[...]

Fair enough. Though ironically, I also find it easier to produce than other types of content!

Spoiler: Conspiracy theory

Loki vs Gamma scum v scum??

Though I think there is a decent chance Gamma flips scum here, I hope they are ok.

I am town. Gamma’s flipping out, discrediting and shading me for asking perfectly valid logical questions is whack.

I think the way you're posing your questions is rather shallow
I've actually responded to others who asked similar things because it doesn't feel like they are demanding I handhold them through my entire thought process

I asked you perfectly valid questions and you discredted, shaded me and now are shitpushing instead of jusr fucking answering them.

If you’re actually town here, than you’ve seen me tunnel you before in CoD, so I don’t for one nanosecond believe you actually sr me here.

And in CoD, you actually tried to make a good faith effort repeatedly - to try to answer them. Here you just pretty much flipped out on me for no reason.

[Loki Dokie]

I haven’t seen Fidget’s scumgame so can’t answer that but I can tell you that the reasons Gamma gave for sr her - wrt to post length aren’t ai. And the second reason didn’t make sense to me: re the blackjack and hookers thing and he still has refused to explain why he trs NAHA for also thinking that the wagon could fail. In fact. I’m surz there’s a post where he said he thought that the wagons were “impure” or something, so it doesn’t make any sense.

yeah this is shitty gotcha reasoning, kill this

So now, speaking the truth is “shitty reasoning”? Are you freaking kidding me?

[Loki Dokie]

Gamma, you tell me where even one thing I said in post 131 isn’t true, I dare you.

I can find the quotes, I didn’t pull any of this out of my ass. These posts all exist in the main thread, prove me wrong.

[Loki Dokie]

If you were town Gamma, you’d be either answering my questions or debunking my conclusions instead of throwing bs shade when you know every single thing I’m saying is true.

[Loki Dokie]

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

something makes me feel like both teams may be impure

but not because of loki or naha
anyone wanna hazard a guess as to what?

Here, proof I didn’t make shit up.

You said that right here in this post, so I asked you why are you sr Fidget for her blackjack and hookers post but tr NAHA for also thinking this? And here you are in THIS post, saying the exact same thing.

[Fidget]

Also that was a hammer yeah? I have no faith in my ability to count votes anymore.
I wonder if the thread gets locked immediately or if we get an extended twilight until the other group makes their elim?

Spoiler: NAHA talking about Gamma

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

I think I’m back to suspecting NAHA
their Loki read philosophy seems kinda off here
I think in general they should have different reads as town

I sure wonder what agenda driven reason there might be for this post

I'm not sure. Is it particularly helpful to a scum agenda to suspect you? How is that inherently different from any other suspicion?

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

gamma copied my idea of accusing someone of an unnatural townread bc i accused them of it first lmao
realizing that i am a threat this phase as ive caught scum gamma recently after misreading them SoDs

He knows i can find his alignment and thus has to resort to discrediting me.
other players who ive been more successful in reading have done the same - discred me before i gain the power to bury them

Nyeh. No.

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

im sick today

can people explain why they support the team they are voting by explaining it player by player btw?
It would be helpful in case we are wrong (which i believe is going to happen regardless of the team bc i scumread a person from both)
If there is town between RR/Gamma i believe that it is important for them to towntell in a way that gets their team through so we just win - bc thats the only place i think there is scum atp

Okay nevermind. But since I saw something similar,

Spoiler: NAHA talking about RR

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

Note that RR froze up after showing a hard inconsistency in thought

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

What inconsistency are you even talking about?

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

I still think RR slipped their reads arent genuine in their post where i accused them of townreading me before and not having progression while simultaneously not myself realizing i was quoting a post where they scumread me but when replying they did not even realize said inconsistency as one who had a genuine read there would.

So, essentially, you made an inconsistent read, RR reacted in a confusing way, and you attributed RR's reaction to them being scum not noticing your mistake whereas town would have?

Don't you think it's also possible you're only one who noticed that inconsistency and you're attributed a break in RR's posting (a poster who didn't really post super frequently) to it unnecessarily?

I realize I am spending a lot of time on players not in this group. Bear with me.

Do people think Fidg does this as scum? Do they try so hard?

I am not trying very hard..? I'm pretty experienced at formatting posts quickly, though. It doesn't take me much time to write out my response, and I like to optimize the posts for size.