The Future

[Loki Dokie]

So how does any of this make me scum?

You sr Fidget for her style of posting, which I can verify isn’t ai and for the blackjack and hookers thing but tr NAHA for thinking pretty much the same thing - a sentiment that you yourself also believed as in that post of yours I just quoted but it’s bad reasoning, “moronic” and scummy to question you for not answering but you do answer when CSF asks you the same goddamned question.

So how am I supposed to not regard that as a blatant shitpush?

[Loki Dokie]

And the fact that you’re now pushing me and doing a 180 on Fidget makes me question if that also wasn’t a real read? Because if it was, then none of your reactions make an iota of sense.

[Fidget]

I self voted because I was pissed that NAHA and Loki both felt like they weren’t sorting me in good faith
As such I decided “fuck it if these morons want to waste a lim on me might as well lock them in”
My Loki vote was explicitly to bait her into voting me

Why focus on people who are townreads (I assume anyway) that are reading you wrong? I just let the game speak for itself afterwards. No point in defending against reads past a certain point.

NAHA why is Loki town for you? Because my TR there is kinda evaporated as a result of a) the meta read being way off base to what I was expecting

What meta read are you referring to here? The one on you? Both of your points you make are about Loki's read on you.

I self voted because I was pissed that NAHA and Loki both felt like they weren’t sorting me in good faith
As such I decided “fuck it if these morons want to waste a lim on me might as well lock them in”
My Loki vote was explicitly to bait her into voting me

If Fidget is suss for thinking both teams will fail, why is Fidget different from NAHA <-- I don't think this was answered

it's not about both teams failing, it's about the tone of fidget's post, it felt less like "I think either one would fail because of reads" and more "I know they'll both fail because I know who scum is"
Also, I have NAHA as town for reasons that, even if I did think that thinking both teams would fail was scummy, would supercede that.

Bruh

VOTE: Loki Dokie
for real this time, I actually think both Fidget and CSF have shown to be town in here, so my original PoE is scrapped

Okay.

Why did you hammer yourself though?

Apparently this phase doesn't have hammers. I didn't know that. Did anyone else?

Loki (in a row):

Spoiler:

I self voted because I was pissed that NAHA and Loki both felt like they weren’t sorting me in good faith
As such I decided “fuck it if these morons want to waste a lim on me might as well lock them in”
My Loki vote was explicitly to bait her into voting me

I did because I won’t allow myself to be emotionally manipulated like that especially when you refused to answer even one of my totally valid questions.

And then you called me a “sucker” so it looked like you had conceded.

NAHA why is Loki town for you? Because my TR there is kinda evaporated as a result of a) the meta read being way off base to what I was expecting and b) pushing bad logic against me, which he did earlier against you in the leader election phase

If I’m wrong Gamma, why haven’t you even tried to answer any of my questions?

What happened to my play not resembling that other game btw?

You mean OMB? That was in the beginning when you didn’t seem to be doing too much but then you took a far more active role with reads on FB and Enchant.

like, I'mm pretty sure this is bunk bcuz I was actually rather laid back for the first part of OMB as well so thinking I was town here feels a bit off. I think Loki pulled a thorHead here.

No you tried to hardpush me to vote I can’t recall their name offhand - the one who became leader. You said something to the effect of “why aren’t you voting them?

So I tr your more laid back attitude about that here.

I self voted because I was pissed that NAHA and Loki both felt like they weren’t sorting me in good faith
As such I decided “fuck it if these morons want to waste a lim on me might as well lock them in”
My Loki vote was explicitly to bait her into voting me

If Fidget is suss for thinking both teams will fail, why is Fidget different from NAHA <-- I don't think this was answered

it's not about both teams failing, it's about the tone of fidget's post, it felt less like "I think either one would fail because of reads" and more "I know they'll both fail because I know who scum is"
Also, I have NAHA as town for reasons that, even if I did think that thinking both teams would fail was scummy, would supercede that.

So why tf didn’t you just answer that when I initially asked you? Why the bs shitpush on me?

VOTE: Loki Dokie
for real this time, I actually think both Fidget and CSF have shown to be town in here, so my original PoE is scrapped

So you refuse to answer any of my questions but do when CSF asks you the exact same goddamned question but I’m scum here, ok. :roll:

[...]
Mech heaviness is a traditional scumtell since scum can produce it honestly and generally more easily than some other types of content.
[...]

Fair enough. Though ironically, I also find it easier to produce than other types of content!

Though I think there is a decent chance Gamma flips scum here, I hope they are ok.

I am town. Gamma’s flipping out, discrediting and shading me for asking perfectly valid logical questions is whack.

I think the way you're posing your questions is rather shallow
I've actually responded to others who asked similar things because it doesn't feel like they are demanding I handhold them through my entire thought process

I asked you perfectly valid questions and you discredted, shaded me and now are shitpushing instead of jusr fucking answering them.

If you’re actually town here, than you’ve seen me tunnel you before in CoD, so I don’t for one nanosecond believe you actually sr me here.

And in CoD, you actually tried to make a good faith effort repeatedly - to try to answer them. Here you just pretty much flipped out on me for no reason.

I haven’t seen Fidget’s scumgame so can’t answer that but I can tell you that the reasons Gamma gave for sr her - wrt to post length aren’t ai. And the second reason didn’t make sense to me: re the blackjack and hookers thing and he still has refused to explain why he trs NAHA for also thinking that the wagon could fail. In fact. I’m surz there’s a post where he said he thought that the wagons were “impure” or something, so it doesn’t make any sense.

yeah this is shitty gotcha reasoning, kill this :)

So now, speaking the truth is “shitty reasoning”? Are you freaking kidding me?

Gamma, you tell me where even one thing I said in post 131 isn’t true, I dare you.

I can find the quotes, I didn’t pull any of this out of my ass. These posts all exist in the main thread, prove me wrong.

If you were town Gamma, you’d be either answering my questions or debunking my conclusions instead of throwing bs shade when you know every single thing I’m saying is true.

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

something makes me feel like both teams may be impure

but not because of loki or naha
anyone wanna hazard a guess as to what?

Here, proof I didn’t make shit up.

You said that right here in this post, so I asked you why are you sr Fidget for her blackjack and hookers post but tr NAHA for also thinking this? And here you are in THIS post, saying the exact same thing.

You both seem to have closed your minds off. Why continue responding to Gamma so much, what is your primary hope to accomplish here?

[Fidget]

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

something makes me feel like both teams may be impure but not because of loki or naha
anyone wanna hazard a guess as to what?

What was this referring to exactly? At the time I was confused because there are no other players common among both teams except for Gamma himself. The joke was there, N-Hect took it though.

And if Gamma is talking about two different reads (presumably me + 1 of rr/andante/ejj) then it's a little weird phrasing I guess.

[Loki Dokie]

I keep responding because I’m not sure that there isn’t a world that exists where he could still
be town and completely misreading everything I’ve posted. Because it’s extremely frustrating to me if that’s what’s happening.

I have never had scum!Gamma try to push me like this so on one hand it makes absolutely no sense, on the other, emotionally he sounds sincere, so I don’t know what to make of any of it.

If he’s scum here trying to manipulate me with this, than I don’t want to allow him to get away with it but because he’s behaving completely illogically, I don’t know what to think.

UNVOTE:

for now.

I still want my questions to him (or to CSF) answered. If this is an attempt to blatantly manipulate me and Gamma is scum here, I will be seriously pissed.

[Loki Dokie]

NAHA why is Loki town for you? Because my TR there is kinda evaporated as a result of a) the meta read being way off base to what I was expecting and b) pushing bad logic against me, which he did earlier against you in the leader election phase

What was my “bad logic”? You didn’t vote NAHA either?

[Loki Dokie]

If you clowns eliminate Aisa I will never place any value on your reads ever again

NAHA why is Loki town for you? Because my TR there is kinda evaporated as a result of a) the meta read being way off base to what I was expecting and b) pushing bad logic against me, which he did earlier against you in the leader election phase

VOTE: Loki Dokie
for real this time, I actually think both Fidget and CSF have shown to be town in here, so my original PoE is scrapped

If Gamma’s scum here, than he knows I will flip town and he’s getting limmed right after me, so would he actually gambit like this as scum?

[Fidget]

The gambit is the self-vote/hammer, not accusing you.

[Fidget]

Getting one townie down is better than zero, right? Doesn't really matter if winning a push makes you look bad, it's better than dying no?

[Loki Dokie]

The gambit is the self-vote/hammer, not accusing you.

He self-voted in CoD but then he posted a video of a survivor player dumping rice but didn’t call anyone “sucker”, which is why I thought he had conceded. I still don’t know what to think.

I guess it depends if he honestly believed he could get me miselimmed. I just know I’m pissed that he throws all of this bs shade at me for pretty much no reason then just disappears.

He’s been egregiously twisting everything I’ve posted. If that a scum gambit or is he actually seriously misreading everything I’ve posted?

[Loki Dokie]

Getting one townie down is better than zero, right? Doesn't really matter if winning a push makes you look bad, it's better than dying no?

Assuming only one saboteur in this team, if he were to get me miselimed, he’d have to know he’s following me because we have two not one lim.

So you’re suggesting that he’s willing to die to get me miselimed?

[Gamma Emerald]

NAHA why is Loki town for you? Because my TR there is kinda evaporated as a result of a) the meta read being way off base to what I was expecting and b) pushing bad logic against me, which he did earlier against you in the leader election phase

If I’m wrong Gamma, why haven’t you even tried to answer any of my questions?

Your questioning feels nonsensical and low-quality
I have answered similar questions that others have asked, because I could see what the point of it was and it wasn't stuff that imo could be logically extrapolated by what I'd already said

[Gamma Emerald]

Why focus on people who are townreads (I assume anyway) that are reading you wrong? I just let the game speak for itself afterwards. No point in defending against reads past a certain point.

Because it felt like the vote was settling onto me because, essentially, I had the balls to actually come into this thread swinging

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay. Why did you hammer yourself though? Apparently this phase doesn't have hammers. I didn't know that. Did anyone else?

I initially thought I was hammering

also, I think Loki's claim that his town flip would damn me is a bit weird given there was much more sentiment against me than against him?

[Gamma Emerald]

What happened to my play not resembling that other game btw?

You mean OMB? That was in the beginning when you didn’t seem to be doing too much but then you took a far more active role with reads on FB and Enchant.

like, I'mm pretty sure this is bunk bcuz I was actually rather laid back for the first part of OMB as well so thinking I was town here feels a bit off. I think Loki pulled a thorHead here.

No you tried to hardpush me to vote I can’t recall their name offhand - the one who became leader. You said something to the effect of “why aren’t you voting them?

So I tr your more laid back attitude about that here.

hmm
why did my attitude towards FB/Enchant change that? I didn't push for them to be leader, I just gave reads that were potentially controversial.

[Gamma Emerald]

I haven’t seen Fidget’s scumgame so can’t answer that but I can tell you that the reasons Gamma gave for sr her - wrt to post length aren’t ai. And the second reason didn’t make sense to me: re the blackjack and hookers thing and he still has refused to explain why he trs NAHA for also thinking that the wagon could fail. In fact. I’m surz there’s a post where he said he thought that the wagons were “impure” or something, so it doesn’t make any sense.

yeah this is shitty gotcha reasoning, kill this

So now, speaking the truth is “shitty reasoning”? Are you freaking kidding me?

I have iterated multiple times that the wagon failing point was not how you were construing it and you continue to push the incorrect perception of my point, and on top of that you tried to call me a hypocrite for making a point I wasn't even making. Why should I TR you for this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Subject: Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation

something makes me feel like both teams may be impure

but not because of loki or naha
anyone wanna hazard a guess as to what?

Here, proof I didn’t make shit up.

You said that right here in this post, so I asked you why are you sr Fidget for her blackjack and hookers post but tr NAHA for also thinking this? And here you are in THIS post, saying the exact same thing.

yeah no

1. That wasn't what I was calling scummy from Fidget
   
2. That was actually me voicing the thought process that led to me voting Fidget first-thing in here

[Gamma Emerald]

I self voted because I was pissed that NAHA and Loki both felt like they weren’t sorting me in good faith
As such I decided “fuck it if these morons want to waste a lim on me might as well lock them in”
My Loki vote was explicitly to bait her into voting me

If Fidget is suss for thinking both teams will fail, why is Fidget different from NAHA <-- I don't think this was answered

it's not about both teams failing, it's about the tone of fidget's post, it felt less like "I think either one would fail because of reads" and more "I know they'll both fail because I know who scum is"
Also, I have NAHA as town for reasons that, even if I did think that thinking both teams would fail was scummy, would supercede that.

I self voted because I was pissed that NAHA and Loki both felt like they weren’t sorting me in good faith
As such I decided “fuck it if these morons want to waste a lim on me might as well lock them in”
My Loki vote was explicitly to bait her into voting me

If Fidget is suss for thinking both teams will fail, why is Fidget different from NAHA <-- I don't think this was answered

it's not about both teams failing, it's about the tone of fidget's post, it felt less like "I think either one would fail because of reads" and more "I know they'll both fail because I know who scum is"
Also, I have NAHA as town for reasons that, even if I did think that thinking both teams would fail was scummy, would supercede that.

I self voted because I was pissed that NAHA and Loki both felt like they weren’t sorting me in good faith
As such I decided “fuck it if these morons want to waste a lim on me might as well lock them in”
My Loki vote was explicitly to bait her into voting me

If Fidget is suss for thinking both teams will fail, why is Fidget different from NAHA <-- I don't think this was answered

it's not about both teams failing, it's about the tone of fidget's post, it felt less like "I think either one would fail because of reads" and more "I know they'll both fail because I know who scum is"
Also, I have NAHA as town for reasons that, even if I did think that thinking both teams would fail was scummy, would supercede that.

I self voted because I was pissed that NAHA and Loki both felt like they weren’t sorting me in good faith
As such I decided “fuck it if these morons want to waste a lim on me might as well lock them in”
My Loki vote was explicitly to bait her into voting me

If Fidget is suss for thinking both teams will fail, why is Fidget different from NAHA <-- I don't think this was answered

it's not about both teams failing, it's about the tone of fidget's post, it felt less like "I think either one would fail because of reads" and more "I know they'll both fail because I know who scum is"
Also, I have NAHA as town for reasons that, even if I did think that thinking both teams would fail was scummy, would supercede that.

I self voted because I was pissed that NAHA and Loki both felt like they weren’t sorting me in good faith
As such I decided “fuck it if these morons want to waste a lim on me might as well lock them in”
My Loki vote was explicitly to bait her into voting me

If Fidget is suss for thinking both teams will fail, why is Fidget different from NAHA <-- I don't think this was answered

it's not about both teams failing, it's about the tone of fidget's post, it felt less like "I think either one would fail because of reads" and more "I know they'll both fail because I know who scum is"
Also, I have NAHA as town for reasons that, even if I did think that thinking both teams would fail was scummy, would supercede that.

[Loki Dokie]

I am town and if you also are, then why aren’t you reading?

Yes, If you are able to get me miselimed, you will almost certainly follow. However, it’s probably unlikely but do you actually think that? Idk.

Fidget thinks it would be some kind of victory for you to accomplish this but because we have two not just one flip, it’s a given that you will follow me, should that happen.

So it’s hella stupid for scum!you to try to attempt this but are you actually capable of this kind of gambiting as scum? I really have no clue.

[Gamma Emerald]

And the fact that you’re now pushing me and doing a 180 on Fidget makes me question if that also wasn’t a real read? Because if it was, then none of your reactions make an iota of sense.

I feel like Fidget's response to my push was rather towny, it felt like actually trying to reconcile what I was seeing in her play with her own feelings

[Gamma Emerald]

I am town and if you also are, then why aren’t you reading?

Yes, If you are able to get me miselimed, you will almost certainly follow. However, it’s probably unlikely but do you actually think that? Idk.

Fidget thinks it would be some kind of victory for you to accomplish this but because we have two not just one flip, it’s a given that you will follow me, should that happen.

So it’s hella stupid for scum!you to try to attempt this but are you actually capable of this kind of gambiting as scum? I really have no clue.

I think if you look at how I interacted around you in OMB you'll get a real clear picture of whether I thought I could get away with pushing you as scum

[Gamma Emerald]

What meta read are you referring to here? The one on you? Both of your points you make are about Loki's read on you.

I specifically made note of that because that was what I pointed to when defending Loki to ejji
and the point about the questioning does somewhat relate to his read on me but it's more of a gameplay point than a read-based point

[Loki Dokie]

What happened to my play not resembling that other game btw?

You mean OMB? That was in the beginning when you didn’t seem to be doing too much but then you took a far more active role with reads on FB and Enchant.

like, I'mm pretty sure this is bunk bcuz I was actually rather laid back for the first part of OMB as well so thinking I was town here feels a bit off. I think Loki pulled a thorHead here.

No you tried to hardpush me to vote I can’t recall their name offhand - the one who became leader. You said something to the effect of “why aren’t you voting them?

So I tr your more laid back attitude about that here.

hmm
why did my attitude towards FB/Enchant change that? I didn't push for them to be leader, I just gave reads that were potentially controversial.

Well we are in this PT is the main one. I know I’m town and so I know someone in here isn’t and I don’t believe it’s NAHA or CSF. NAHA doesn’t think it’s Aisa and neither do you, so unless I’m wrong on CSF, that leaves you abd Fidget and I didn’t think your reasoning for sr her made sense but now I honestly don’t know what to think.

I don’t want to miselim you if you’re actually town here, despite how extremely tilted I am at you rn. Believe it or not.

[Gamma Emerald]

NAHA why is Loki town for you? Because my TR there is kinda evaporated as a result of a) the meta read being way off base to what I was expecting and b) pushing bad logic against me, which he did earlier against you in the leader election phase

What was my “bad logic”? You didn’t vote NAHA either?

Your bad logic is trying to conclude there was a dichotomy where only one of fidget/andante was scum, I was actually considering they could both be scum during the team selection phase
wtf does voting NAHA have to do with the current conversation?

[Gamma Emerald]

as for how you did that to NAHA, that was when you thought NAHA hurting penguin was stating an SR there