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Eiralox · Post Post #2150 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:51 am

@Vivax how many other VT u figure's out there? why did u ask if my text was a vig claim? why would a vig claim D2? Why would a town ask this?

@N_M: any weighty thoughts on Vivax?

Crescent · Post Post #2151 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:00 am

It's the perfect level of hot today that I keep passing out.

Seems people want to pull me into birthday things tomorrow. No idea how much I will be bere.

I see the vote split more. Interesting how Cirin and I both refused to early hammer the guy calling us both scum.

Corwinoid · Post Post #2152 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:15 am

Spoiler: Full vote history

Spoiler: Per player vote chains

Spoiler: Wagon formations, in order of initial appearance

Things that caught my attention scanning through quickly (I need to do a more thorough re-read)

* Crescent floated rusty-scum!Corwin today, again, after initially floating it 475. Feels weird to bring that up again
* gera's very late joining the voting, and something about it feels off
* Eiralox's voting feels weird to me, along with the posts joining it. It feels a lot like someone looking for a safe place to put their votes throughout
* BBT said something that caught my attention, despite how he played here he's a pretty good player and I have some faith in him

Corwinoid · Post Post #2153 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:20 am

In post 926, Elsa Jay wrote:Fish do you think it was weird that the shift from Corwin and Owen to George felt rushed? How do you feel about the events that happened?

I think the mod will lock thread in the morning when the actual deadline hits so be quick with a response. I want your opinion before the night phase happens.

In post 952, Elsa Jay wrote: For the wagon analysis... It feels better to look at where the people were voting before they all jumped onto George. Obviously the hammerer turned out guilty, but I think at least one opportunist jumped on there as scum. One who probably was voting Owen/Corwin but jumped ship.

All of the last 4 votes on that wagon came directly off of me, very quickly.

Day 2, Crescent and gibus were stacked on you until they decided to jump for Fish. Gibus coming off the driver seat to hammer seems really weird to me also

Corwinoid · Post Post #2154 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:20 am

I think it's time to sort the sorting hat.

VOTE: gibus

Corwinoid · Post Post #2155 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:21 am

In post 2150, Eiralox wrote:@N_M: any weighty thoughts on Vivax?

gibus · Post Post #2156 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:23 am

Spoiler:

In post 1946, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 1924, Eiralox wrote:
In post 1921, Elsa Jay wrote:I mean I got a new spicy theory for scum Crescent if you wanna hear it Eira. I know it's getting old there but whatever.

Though if the Crescent Mastermind theory isn't worth pursuing it's something along the lines of either Vivax today. Or NotMaf has to go since if we're wrong again we're in MyLo and unable to just Launch NotMaf day 4.
always up for theories elsa : P

what about gibus? u trust the claim at this point? Is gera on the table? Corwin conf town 2 u?
Actually the theory involves both Cres AND Gibus here honestly.

Let's be honest with ourselves. Do we really think there's 2 Protectives left, especially since the JOAT also had a 1-shot protective as well as a commuter? No. So while I want today to also focus on the other slots so we can find the partner, Gibus is probscum.

Let's start with Combined Doctor Checker as the first claim. Then in my first post after this I claimed [Redacted]-Enabler Bodyguard.

So while I mentioned it today, I also hinted earlier after Crescent ruthlessly tried to argue my [Redacted] was a scum claim because it implied a fifth PR. The mistake there was not assuming it was for any of the other claimed roles at the time. Slight shading there maybe? Not as important.

Then I get too confident and basically out what I really was with my hypothetical post mentioning scum Roleblocker. Didn't mean to basically spell it out there but oh well. So it's also why I believed at the time there was a Doctor Checker because it specifically also mentioned a Roleblocker counter ability while mine was an enabler.

But is it really surprising SCUM knows about a Roleblocker? And a Doctor who "heals" Crescent as the possible partner to basically garuntee they just never actually heal to prove it? Hell while I did crumb I was healing Crescent all signs pointed to Gibus wanting to heal Eira. His direct quote was "Eira Cres Alex, preferably Eira". It felt more weird to heal the same person twice in a row when as doc you'd rather try healing the Vigilante. Unless Gibus has mentioned anything about thinking Cres was Vig I don't think healing Cres is the town move there.

That and compared to Bodyguard who still gives scum a kill via my death to save someone, Doctor would prevent a kill entirely. If it wasn't a JOAT with two forms of protection available you could've argued Doctor was valid but it makes way more sense for it to be Bodyguard.

Here's the Flipped PRs

Non-consecutive Vigilante
Detective
JOAT (Follower Commuter Rolestopper Rolecop)

Does town seem better with a Doctor who appearantly KNOWS when they get Roleblocked, or a Bodyguard who's trying to die to disable a scum Roleblocker they enable? Town enabling Scum abilities is as common as well as town ones so I wasn't sure at the time but this confirms it to me.

I think Gibus is actually the Roleblocker claiming to be a doctor to have avoided getting launched and/or to get the actual PR to out themselves. But I think because I mentioned possibly being Roleblocker enabler they just probably Roleblocked me to prevent me from dying to keep their ability AND to keep cover. Particularly after the JOAT flip. Plus they'd still want to hunt the Vigilante too.

But with literally all the Other PRs dead I've outlived my usefulness so I'm dying tonight if we get Gibus, or if we didn't focus on us we would've been the two fighting in MyLo. Hence me stating it now Gibus is probably the evil one.

Can someone do the math and find out how balanced a doc/bg/vig setup is?

gibus · Post Post #2157 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:27 am

VOTE: geraintm
To avenge clidd, gb, and bbt

gibus · Post Post #2158 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:30 am

In post 2153, Corwinoid wrote:
In post 926, Elsa Jay wrote:Fish do you think it was weird that the shift from Corwin and Owen to George felt rushed? How do you feel about the events that happened?

I think the mod will lock thread in the morning when the actual deadline hits so be quick with a response. I want your opinion before the night phase happens.

In post 952, Elsa Jay wrote: For the wagon analysis... It feels better to look at where the people were voting before they all jumped onto George. Obviously the hammerer turned out guilty, but I think at least one opportunist jumped on there as scum. One who probably was voting Owen/Corwin but jumped ship.
All of the last 4 votes on that wagon came directly off of me, very quickly.

Day 2, Crescent and gibus were stacked on you until they decided to jump for Fish. Gibus coming off the driver seat to hammer seems really weird to me also

Why is it weird. I didn't want anyone to lolhammer him is all.

Corwinoid · Post Post #2159 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:32 am

Okay, I'll concede that point given NM's in the game.

Corwinoid · Post Post #2160 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:42 am

Also, for convenience:

Vivax (3): gibus, Not_Mafia, Eiralox
Not_Mafia (3): geraintm, Elsa Jay, Vivax
gibus (1): Corwinoid
geraintm (1): gibus

Not voting (1): Crescent

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to launch.

Not_Mafia · Post Post #2161 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:50 am

I'm VT

Elsa Jay · Post Post #2162 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:57 am

Yeah we know. Or at least I know. There's literally no reason why a town PR wouldn't claim today anyway. Any info is better than nothing.

Not_Mafia · Post Post #2163 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:05 am

So then why are you voting for a VT?

Crescent · Post Post #2164 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:14 am

NM has sure gotten talkative all of a sudden..

Elsa Jay · Post Post #2165 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:16 am

His life is in danger. It appears it finally made him wanna focus on the game.

Crescent · Post Post #2166 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:23 am

Also

If NM is scum do we just murder the hell out of Gibus for that joke of a return?

Vivax/Gera and NM/Gibus both make sense for teams, though I'd argue NM/Gibus makes more sense due to game balance. I can't see that post of Gera's I scrutinized coming from an NM/Gera team.

But yeah I'm like the last person in the universe to hope for an undisciplined hammer from.

But yeah it's very interesting how I and Corwin don't hammer and NM suddenly gets louder.

Crescent · Post Post #2167 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:25 am

It's funny to imagine a situation where Vivax is town and I'm sitting there for hours blowing him up and theorizing solely based off him being scum while scum is just sitting there internally screaming "JUST HAMMER HIM ALREADY DAMNIT".

I am amused by this thought.

Elsa Jay · Post Post #2168 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:29 am

I realized siding with the person I assume is a fake Doctor on Vivax is probably a stupid idea so I have decided to switch to NotMaf.

Crescent · Post Post #2169 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:39 am

The issue with Gibus wasn't the Vivax vote.

It was disappearing for 37 hours, and only reappearing once the Vivax vote started to falter because none of Corwin/Gera/I would hammer. I was

never

going to hammer last night for any reason primarily because of Gibus+NM being two of the votes on him - But Gibus moreso. Last night was more about tin foil hatting Vivax than anything, and I used this to reopen discussion because I wasn't actually comfortable putting the hammer vote down at all. I was hoping that, in questioning Gera, I would also buy enough time to force players like Gibus back into the light. This was also a test to see if Gera would turn around and make a scummy as hell looking hammer on him in my stead. I was never as confident in anything as I blustered last night.

And I still think he was trying to bait a hammer, for the reasons Eira said. Baiting a hammer from a super-conservative player like me probably felt like a challenge to him.

Once that train lost some steam, Gibus suddenly reappeared and insta-voted Gera for basically no reason. It looks awful.

And now NM is way more talkative too?

"Hmm".

Corwinoid · Post Post #2170 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:40 am

In post 2168, Elsa Jay wrote:I realized siding with the person I assume is a fake Doctor on Vivax is probably a stupid idea so I have decided to switch to NotMaf.

Why not vote the person you think is a fake claim?

Elsa Jay · Post Post #2171 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:47 am

Well at this point it's more for town's benefit then mine. Going into day 4 after a Gibus launch also means scum 10 times outta 10 kill me too as a proven PR.

That would leave Eira, Crescent, Corwin, NotMaf, Gera, and Vivax left alive. You six will never agree with each other with all of you alive. Hypothetically it could also end in Eira dying instead of me but the result still stands.

Crescent · Post Post #2172 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:51 am

Theoretically a Gibus vote isn't the best option just because it means scum still has to play around his fakeclaim even if he's scum.

But I actually disagree with Elsa there - A Gibus scumflip would make us destroy NM with

extreme

prejudice tomorrow.

Of course if he's not the other scum then all hell is breaking loose in any final 4 we get. Really, it doesn't matter who's there. If we're in final 4, it's going to be a total mess.

Elsa Jay · Post Post #2173 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:54 am

And I'm selfish and don't really wanna die and keeping Gibus alive forces scum to keep my alive a day longer to keep the fake claim up. That I didn't mention as much.

Edit: hence getting rid of NotMaf now and trying to actually know who's the final partner with Gibus is best. Let's pray Gibus voted Vivax to launch as an indication of Vivax being town similar to Corwin being town because of Owen.

So yeah NotMaf first and day 4 we'll get Gibus.

Crescent · Post Post #2174 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:55 am

Also I checked: NM has 11 posts in the last 27 hours, which feels like more than it is.

He had 29 posts in the first

15 days

of the game.