Mini Normal 2276: Around the World - Game Over!

[Ausuka]

i have no idea how games get reviewed on this site, but i also think an "aesthetic miller" is likely to raise a question in the review process. i could be wrong on that though.

You would think so wouldn't you

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it would be relevant to explain your town read on Marci when several people aren't vibing with that and want to vote her

I'm more curious as to why he wants votes on you. The only reason we have so far is it's a countervote.

Working theory: Roden/Datisi/Crescent scumteam.

Oh he's shitposting for reactions. Less interesting.

[Ausuka]

Ausuka's 26 feels like fake frustration. I'm surprised anyone suspects Marci over Ausuka here. Strongly doubt it's genuine from everyone involved.

Obviously it's fake. If I was actually obtusely unhelpful that would be gamethrowing.

Anyway, you seem to hold suspecting Marci as a point against Roden and Datisi. I don't get your thought process here. Seeing basically everyone suspect Marci why do you jump to the conclusion of 'people with an opposite perspective to mine are scum for it' rather than 'my perception is highly unusual for this game'?

[Ausuka]

Anyway

I like scamper, Roden and Bella the most so far because they give me Good Vibes

Logically shoshin's progression should probably be suspicious to me. She feels more like chaotic town on a vibes level though.

[Shoshin]

What posts gave you town vibes from scamper, Ausuka?

[Ausuka]

i dont really get good vibes from the posts. i think part of it is because the og claim (8) feels a bit over explanatory.




side note: if i have a game about a frog gf, and then i get a slurpee thats frog juice flavored, am i drinking my gf?

i don't see how thats scummy..?

why would scum want to naked vote and draw attention to themselves?
why would shoshin

not

want to shade people this early on? it'll cause reactions for sure and help better read people? like how ur having a tantrum over them scumreading you rn
why are

you

framing everything they do in such a bad way? the certain words, "bullshitting", "dodging a question" its making a bigger deal of something than it should be.
why are

you

expecting shoshin to be perfect?

Ok, first off I'd like to ask Marci what she thought was over explainy about my first post?? It was like three lines lmao

I don't really like the second post. I don't think she's wrong about Shoshin playing chaotically not being scummy, but something about the way she treats Crescent rubs me the wrong way, like she's trying to win an argument and isn't really worried about how this impacts Crescent's alignment. In particular, Crescent's posting up til this point felt fairly reasonable and describing it as a 'tantrum' seems unreasonably aggro. 'Why are you expecting Shoshin to be perfect' is also such a strange line; like, obviously Crescent isn't expecting Shoshin to be perfect just because she scumreads her posts??? Again it comes off as an argument winner line rather than someone genuinely interested in sorting the situation.

I could see scum Marci defending town Shoshin like this.

(I want to townread her for the frog posting though I love frogs)

[Ausuka]

Scamper's lines of questioning seemed reasonable and good and they seemed sorty

39 and 62 seem like good examples of posts I like

(Also since I just answered your question you should totally answer mine )

[Alexcellent]

Hullo, I'm getting caught up

Hi. My role in this game is Ascetic Miller.

No, I don't know why anyone would add Miller to a role which can't be investigated.

I feel like I got a middle finger instead of a Role PM this game

Is this a gag? Or is this real?

Could an ascetic miller be considered normal?

idk if theres 2 or 3 scum,

prob 3 but lets find them on day 3 so that asusuka and roden feel like they have a chance..

Not quite sure why but I dislke this. Why would there only be 2 scum in a 13p game?

VOTE: alexcellent
sup bro, first time playing with you!

What up!

So far my impression of Marci is "A version of myself that actually votes".

If anything feels a little "odd" to me, it's not the votes, it's post #27. Isn't 3/13 like, normal regulation? I assumed 4/13 (the norm where I come from) my first game and was quickly shot down. I came out with the impression it's always 3. I feel like that post is both trying to be serious but also has no reason to exist in such a context.

Also I think that is the exact picture I have on my Discord.

Cres and Marci are scum together, got it

[Alexcellent]

Oh look a kitty under my name

Thank you for getting an avatar, it genuinely helps

[Roden]

But that's teetering a bit on circular logic.

I don't want to have this "circular" discussion here, as it's not going to lead anywhere helpful. I'm sure you'll realize I'm town soon enough without getting straight answers to all your questions.

I already think you're town.

Roden, what do you think of Crescent?

I think she's TvT with you atm. I think you two are having a playstyle clash, her reactions to you remind me of how I can get when the same happens with me and other players.

[Roden]

Hi. My role in this game is Ascetic Miller.

No, I don't know why anyone would add Miller to a role which can't be investigated.

I feel like I got a middle finger instead of a Role PM this game

Is this a gag? Or is this real?

Could an ascetic miller be considered normal?

I believe it is.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

Normal modifier and normal town role, the mod's just getting a little wacky with the set up. There could be other explanations besides Pooky making meme roles, but it might be anti-town to discuss that right now. I just believe that Ausuka is being honest and is town.

[Alexcellent]

why do u immediately jump to shitposting? LOL what if shoshins serious..

Yes, let's seriously come up with a scumteam based solely on a single point of interaction 80 posts into the game. That sure sounds serious~

I am very weary of shitposters right now for reasons I can't get into.

This sounds very defensive but also think I understand why

[Alexcellent]

Hi. My role in this game is Ascetic Miller.

No, I don't know why anyone would add Miller to a role which can't be investigated.

I feel like I got a middle finger instead of a Role PM this game

Is this a gag? Or is this real?

Could an ascetic miller be considered normal?

I believe it is.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

Normal modifier and normal town role, the mod's just getting a little wacky with the set up. There could be other explanations besides Pooky making meme roles, but it might be anti-town to discuss that right now. I just believe that Ausuka is being honest and is town.

Ah okay, fair

[Alexcellent]

still think marci is scum and i'll be looking at everyone who is ignoring weighing in on this discussion

I like Datisi as town

[Alexcellent]

Do kind of find it interesting though that Ausuka claimed that and then no one really acknowledged it until Marci like 8 posts later or something

[Datisi]

Do kind of find it interesting though that Ausuka claimed that and then no one really acknowledged it until Marci like 8 posts later or something

i acknowledged it immediately by not voting ausuka anymore

[Gamma Emerald]

Do kind of find it interesting though that Ausuka claimed that and then no one really acknowledged it until Marci like 8 posts later or something

I’m more used to that sort of thing
My first time seeing an early ascetic claim I was kinda an asshole about it

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi. My role in this game is Ascetic Miller.

No, I don't know why anyone would add Miller to a role which can't be investigated.

I feel like I got a middle finger instead of a Role PM this game

Is this a gag? Or is this real?

Could an ascetic miller be considered normal?

I believe it is.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

Normal modifier and normal town role, the mod's just getting a little wacky with the set up. There could be other explanations besides Pooky making meme roles, but it might be anti-town to discuss that right now. I just believe that Ausuka is being honest and is town.

Miller always feels like it should be a modifier vs. a role
ig it doesn’t matter which it’s classified as in the current normal design space tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I like Alex so far
VOTE: Scamper
Rather perturbed by the exact wording of their TR on me

[Alexcellent]

So no reason for me NOT to believe Ausuka at this point, but I don't think it's impossible that scum makes that claim.

i dont really think scum claims ascetic miller on page 1, i think if ascetic they just claim ascetic without the miller part, cuz the extra detail is unnecessary to invent. simplest explanation is aus got given an actual weird neg util role and claimed it

ill leave this here for now

VOTE: marci

Hmm we get into WIFOM territory here though. Why would scum say ascetic miller and not just ascetic? Maybe so we can have this conversation. Good lies involve detail and ascetic miller is a way to say "omg guys look at this dumb role I've got, why is this a thing?" Rather than blindly going "I'm ascetic," and everyone has to decide if they believe it or not. Also the conversation is muddied a bit more because we're no longer just going "idk if I believe Ausuka", now we're going "why would this role exist?"
But yeah, I'm just thinking out loud. This early in the game I'm happy to lean more towards accepting that there's an ascetic miller.

[Alexcellent]

To elaborate, very unlikely that scum Marci calls town Ausuka's role fake. Equally unlikely that scumteam Ausuka/Marci planned this bit of drama to start the game off (besides the obvious pro-town effect of their play getting us out of RVS, it just seems too much to pull off this quickly with no real scum logic behind the play).

I feel like at least one scum would maybe want to throw shade at that claim? Idk, if I'm scum I'd want to create doubt over town!ausuka's claim

Do agree that it likely isn't staged S/S though.

[Alexcellent]

Because I agree? I don't get town from marci at all, especially the 'i haven't voted thing', which is weird in itself.

I have high hopes of being able to read Roden too.

What do you mean about the 'i haven't voted thing'?

[Gamma Emerald]

So no reason for me NOT to believe Ausuka at this point, but I don't think it's impossible that scum makes that claim.

i dont really think scum claims ascetic miller on page 1, i think if ascetic they just claim ascetic without the miller part, cuz the extra detail is unnecessary to invent. simplest explanation is aus got given an actual weird neg util role and claimed it

ill leave this here for now

VOTE: marci

Hmm we get into WIFOM territory here though. Why would scum say ascetic miller and not just ascetic? Maybe so we can have this conversation. Good lies involve detail and ascetic miller is a way to say "omg guys look at this dumb role I've got, why is this a thing?" Rather than blindly going "I'm ascetic," and everyone has to decide if they believe it or not. Also the conversation is muddied a bit more because we're no longer just going "idk if I believe Ausuka", now we're going "why would this role exist?"
But yeah, I'm just thinking out loud. This early in the game I'm happy to lean more towards accepting that there's an ascetic miller.

Miller is actually not able to be scum, so if Ausuka were scum “trueclaiming” she’d just be Ascetic Mafia

[Datisi]

Datisi town (he was anything but).

why am i scum (other than disagreeing with your marci read)? why is marci unlikely to call ausuka's role fake?

[Datisi]

suspicious of roden because the early townread of shoshin for "solving behind the scenes" seems (1) kinda awkwardly explained, (2) seems like tmi? like, i'm a bit skeptical that he saw two basically naked votes and decided there's some townie solving happening there