Mini Normal 2276: Around the World - Game Over!

[Alexcellent]

VOTE: Bellaphant

Actually I feel like getting onboard with this

VOTE: Bellaphant

This vote from Alex in particular feels scummy. It's a bit delayed to vote Bella now when their previous interactions were 24 hours earlier and nothing solvey had come out of it. I'm just not seeing much of a progression here.

VOTE: Alex

There is no progression over the 24hrs. I just decided to vote there.

Tbh I have no major scum reads, D1 is always a crapshoot for me. But the Marci train felt kind of off to me. Maybe it's all town, but I felt like if scum were on it, it's probably Bella (as opposed to scamper/datisi/ausuka)? Felt the most opportunistic, 60 felt vague. There's nothing super strong or that jumps out to me as particularly townie in her ISO and the fact others have called her town with very little content makes me interested in a flip there as well for the sake of sorting other people. She's unvoted Marci not all that long after she voted her and I can see town doing that, but could also see scum doing that too. As I said, not a strong read but I feel like my vote's wasted if I'm not using it.

This is the only post of yours that really justifies the Bella vote at all, and it's... Very wishy washy.

So you jumped onto an active train on Bellaphant for.. What actual reasons, exactly?

See below

VOTE: Bellaphant

Actually I feel like getting onboard with this

VOTE: Bellaphant

This vote from Alex in particular feels scummy. It's a bit delayed to vote Bella now when their previous interactions were 24 hours earlier and nothing solvey had come out of it. I'm just not seeing much of a progression here.

VOTE: Alex

There is no progression over the 24hrs. I just decided to vote there.

Tbh I have no major scum reads, D1 is always a crapshoot for me. But the Marci train felt kind of off to me. Maybe it's all town, but I felt like if scum were on it, it's probably Bella (as opposed to scamper/datisi/ausuka)? Felt the most opportunistic, 60 felt vague. There's nothing super strong or that jumps out to me as particularly townie in her ISO and the fact others have called her town with very little content makes me interested in a flip there as well for the sake of sorting other people. She's unvoted Marci not all that long after she voted her and I can see town doing that, but could also see scum doing that too. As I said, not a strong read but I feel like my vote's wasted if I'm not using it.

[Ausuka]

I mean I guess Crescent said she read the post, so she probably just didn't parse it as a response and it's NAI.

You in particular I already felt like were asking lots of questions that didn't necessarily lead to anything and asking that without appearing to investigate the answer felt weird in a way that added to that sense.

[Alexcellent]

Is it weird? I don't like answering questions for other people, but in this case she already answered the question and three separate people have asked about it. That's what I find weird.

Because it's an odd thing to say and it stands out. If she's irked with being asked about the same thing I'm sure she can handle that herself.

[Crescent]

Is it weird? I don't like answering questions for other people, but in this case she already answered the question and three separate people have asked about it. That's what I find weird.

I have read that post. I was directly responding to that post twice. What I don't see is any strong reason to be jumping on Bella's train.

What I do see is a

lot

of prebuilt excuses to excuse being "wrong" if that vote is placed on town.

[Crescent]

I never quoted an Ausuka post there what the crap.

That's obviously to Alex. I didn't quote any post to keep it shorter.

[Ausuka]

@Alex; That makes no sense? If I think something is weird or scummy I'm not going to avoid talking about it just because someone else could handle it. I understand that it tends to be bad to answer questions for someone else - although I don't think I've ever seen someone call it alignment indicative - but this is at most tangentially related to that and comes off as a massive stretch of a push.

[Alexcellent]

@Alex; That makes no sense? If I think something is weird or scummy I'm not going to avoid talking about it just because someone else could handle it. I understand that it tends to be bad to answer questions for someone else - although I don't think I've ever seen someone call it alignment indicative - but this is at most tangentially related to that and comes off as a massive stretch of a push.

This isn't necessarily related to a push, more-so prevents her reaction. She may come in and continue to try and explain her position or have a different response than what she's already given for whatever reason (it's not common but I've seen scum do it). You repeatedly coming in to redirect people to where she's answered is speaking for her. Like yeah, it's overall pretty minor and probably nothing comes from it anyway but it's just odd to me that you've done it more than once now.

[Ausuka]

I guess Bella's posts aren't terribly hard for scum to fake but like I don't think I'd expect her to be massively different as town and I vibed with some of her early posts

STD feels like a scummier version of Bella tbh

Johnny's catch up is lightly towny because the push on Dats seems counterintuitive for scum to make and I like it, still want to see more from him tho

[marcistar]

But the Marci train felt kind of off to me. Maybe it's all town, but I felt like if scum were on it, it's probably Bella (as opposed to scamper/datisi/ausuka)?

eh i disagree,
i havent read deeper into my wagon but i think datisis pretty scummy.

maybe ill look at both later but im busy rn so :shrug:

[Datisi]

i havent read deeper into my wagon but i think datisis pretty scummy.

why

[Crescent]

Oh and Ausuka is right that her follow up post didn't even register to me as an actual response. It's NAI to me in the end. Easy weirdness for town to feel, easy weirdness for scum to fake.

[Ausuka]

@Alex; That makes no sense? If I think something is weird or scummy I'm not going to avoid talking about it just because someone else could handle it. I understand that it tends to be bad to answer questions for someone else - although I don't think I've ever seen someone call it alignment indicative - but this is at most tangentially related to that and comes off as a massive stretch of a push.

This isn't necessarily related to a push, more-so prevents her reaction. She may come in and continue to try and explain her position or have a different response than what she's already given for whatever reason (it's not common but I've seen scum do it). You repeatedly coming in to redirect people to where she's answered is speaking for her. Like yeah, it's overall pretty minor and probably nothing comes from it anyway but it's just odd to me that you've done it more than once now.

Ok but like
1) it doesn't prevent her reaction at all
2) I think the idea that the same question being asked multiple times is somehow meant to generate particularly useful content is nonsense, and I think pursuing why people are throwing out questions so easily is much more interesting

[scamper]

hood reveal is interesting, i dont have a problem with std outing it since theres probably scum in a 4 person hood but i kind of wish he'd waited a bit longer so that we could have reads from people on the players in the hood + lemons could have posted

cuz right now my immediate thought is the lemons slot is probably scum but we learn basically nothing from it now if thats true

What makes you think that?

i dont think any of the other players in the hood have been scummy and i think save the dragons

probably

doesnt just out the hood like that as scum

relatedly: i dont really like corwinoids entrance at all...

[scamper]

Hi Alex, hi Bella.

Bella 100% town because she's always town.

I'm caught up on the game but I don't have a lot to add right now, I've stayed up late to get the replacement sorted and I'm going to bed.

Hard town reading Crescent this game though.

so ur caught up and ur only reads are that bella and crescent are town?

[Shoshin]

What're your reads, Datisi?

[scamper]

i dont have time to fully catch up right now, be back later

[Ausuka]

Eh I missed the part where you said this wasn't a push which means the line of thinking I was having is wrong.

That said if it's not a push what is it? You calling it weird and odd isn't meant to imply I'm being scummy?

[Datisi]

What're your reads, Datisi?

right now they're what i said earlier. i'm not at home currently and don't have time to read the game in detail. i will probably make a comprehensive readslist tonight.

mind elaborating on your read of me now?

[Alexcellent]

Is it weird? I don't like answering questions for other people, but in this case she already answered the question and three separate people have asked about it. That's what I find weird.

I have read that post. I was directly responding to that post twice. What I don't see is any strong reason to be jumping on Bella's train.

What I do see is a

lot

of prebuilt excuses to excuse being "wrong" if that vote is placed on town.

Crossing my fingers that I'm not wrong then

Why do you seem so concerned she's going to get launched?

[Crescent]

@Alex; That makes no sense? If I think something is weird or scummy I'm not going to avoid talking about it just because someone else could handle it. I understand that it tends to be bad to answer questions for someone else - although I don't think I've ever seen someone call it alignment indicative - but this is at most tangentially related to that and comes off as a massive stretch of a push.

This isn't necessarily related to a push, more-so prevents her reaction. She may come in and continue to try and explain her position or have a different response than what she's already given for whatever reason (it's not common but I've seen scum do it). You repeatedly coming in to redirect people to where she's answered is speaking for her. Like yeah, it's overall pretty minor and probably nothing comes from it anyway but it's just odd to me that you've done it more than once now.

Ok but like
1) it doesn't prevent her reaction at all
2) I think the idea that the same question being asked multiple times is somehow meant to generate particularly useful content is nonsense, and I think pursuing why people are throwing out questions so easily is much more interesting

I feel like Alex is focusing on the wrong things right now. It kinda feels like he's trying to use this to retroactively justify his vote without directly shading Ausuka and it's weird.

Oh and Corwin could easily have hard called me town just to suck up to me. I wasn't planning to bring him up until he posted again.

[Alexcellent]

@Alex; That makes no sense? If I think something is weird or scummy I'm not going to avoid talking about it just because someone else could handle it. I understand that it tends to be bad to answer questions for someone else - although I don't think I've ever seen someone call it alignment indicative - but this is at most tangentially related to that and comes off as a massive stretch of a push.

This isn't necessarily related to a push, more-so prevents her reaction. She may come in and continue to try and explain her position or have a different response than what she's already given for whatever reason (it's not common but I've seen scum do it). You repeatedly coming in to redirect people to where she's answered is speaking for her. Like yeah, it's overall pretty minor and probably nothing comes from it anyway but it's just odd to me that you've done it more than once now.

Ok but like
1) it doesn't prevent her reaction at all
2) I think the idea that the same question being asked multiple times is somehow meant to generate particularly useful content is nonsense, and I think pursuing why people are throwing out questions so easily is much more interesting

It isn't necessarily going to generate useful content but it has the potential to. And it does at the very least muddy her reaction because you've spoken for her twice already.
But I think we're starting to go in circles here. Agree to disagree?

[Shoshin]

mind elaborating on your read of me now?

You seem lifeless. Looks nothing like town you from three years ago. Unsure if this is due to time or alignment.

[Crescent]

Is it weird? I don't like answering questions for other people, but in this case she already answered the question and three separate people have asked about it. That's what I find weird.

I have read that post. I was directly responding to that post twice. What I don't see is any strong reason to be jumping on Bella's train.

What I do see is a

lot

of prebuilt excuses to excuse being "wrong" if that vote is placed on town.

Crossing my fingers that I'm not wrong then

Why do you seem so concerned she's going to get launched?

This feels like Alex overextending in response to a legitimate point. If you combine this with Ausuka, it seems like he's looking to use other people to justify his vote because it's come under fire.

[Ausuka]

Eh. Part of me feels like this is a theory discussion and I just see the game very differently from you and part of me thinks you didn't give me these vibes in past games of yours I checked and your position doesn't make any sense.

I guess I'll just wait and see if other people see what I'm saying here.

I will say it really doesn't feel like Crescent is concerned Bella is going to get limmed and that line confused me as well.

[Alexcellent]

Is it weird? I don't like answering questions for other people, but in this case she already answered the question and three separate people have asked about it. That's what I find weird.

I have read that post. I was directly responding to that post twice. What I don't see is any strong reason to be jumping on Bella's train.

What I do see is a

lot

of prebuilt excuses to excuse being "wrong" if that vote is placed on town.

Crossing my fingers that I'm not wrong then

Why do you seem so concerned she's going to get launched?

This feels like Alex overextending in response to a legitimate point. If you combine this with Ausuka, it seems like he's looking to use other people to justify his vote because it's come under fire.

Why are you dodging my question and speaking about me in the third person rather than engaging directly with me? This feels like you're not trying to sort me but trying to convince other people that I'm shifty.