Mini Normal 2276: Around the World - Game Over!

[Crescent]

Because there's no question to answer?

[Alexcellent]

There was but I'll rephrase it then - are you concerned that Bella is going to be launched? It feels like a lot of concern for someone who is only at 2 votes on D1. What is your read of her?

[Crescent]

I will say it really doesn't feel like Crescent is concerned Bella is going to get limmed and that line confused me as well.

This is what I meant by overextending, yes. He's looking for reasons to justify his position.

[Crescent]

There was but I'll rephrase it then - are you concerned that Bella is going to be launched? It feels like a lot of concern for someone who is only at 2 votes on D1. What is your read of her?

Completely neutral.

I have a better question for you: Bella is at 1 votes and I see someone trying to nudge along a train with weak reasoning and inbuilt excuses.

Why

would I be concerned about a Bella lim by this?

What concerns me is your vote was bad, and your reactions since are worse

[marcistar]

i havent read deeper into my wagon but i think datisis pretty scummy.

why

i think ur not trying to solve
it just feels like ur playing a game of follow the leader where asukas the leader.

this is if asukas not scum tho i dont think u guys would be scum together kinda

[Shoshin]

Hey Crescent, assume Alex & me are town for a second. Who are the scum?

[Crescent]

Johnny would be the first person I look at. He's already contradicted himself once and his approach to the current trains felt avoidy.

[Shoshin]

Who are Johnny's partners?

[Alexcellent]

There was but I'll rephrase it then - are you concerned that Bella is going to be launched? It feels like a lot of concern for someone who is only at 2 votes on D1. What is your read of her?

Completely neutral.

I have a better question for you: Bella is at 1 votes and I see someone trying to nudge along a train with weak reasoning and inbuilt excuses.

Why

would I be concerned about a Bella lim by this?

What concerns me is your vote was bad, and your reactions since are worse

That's straight up what I just asked you..

Maybe she is your scum partner and you just want to kill off a wagon before it gets going?
More than likely you're probably town, but you singling out my vote pinged me as you being defensive of Bella.

And nah, my vote's fine. You and I just vote and approach the game differently.

[Crescent]

There was but I'll rephrase it then - are you concerned that Bella is going to be launched? It feels like a lot of concern for someone who is only at 2 votes on D1. What is your read of her?

Completely neutral.

I have a better question for you: Bella is at 1 votes and I see someone trying to nudge along a train with weak reasoning and inbuilt excuses.

Why

would I be concerned about a Bella lim by this?

What concerns me is your vote was bad, and your reactions since are worse

That's straight up what I just asked you..

Maybe she is your scum partner and you just want to kill off a wagon before it gets going?
More than likely you're probably town, but you singling out my vote pinged me as you being defensive of Bella.

And nah, my vote's fine. You and I just vote and approach the game differently.

Don't like this response either. Your vote was bad am there wasn't anything in my response that indicated a hard defense of Bella. It's something you basically made up.

[Crescent]

Who are Johnny's partners?

Yeah I generally don't play the "Let's form an entire scumteam on day 1" game. There is no one I would currently link directly to Johnny. There isn't really any information to get from there yet, which is why pushing there is good to increase generation.

Like, Alex being scum kinda clears Ausuka and Bella, but doesn't directly reflect on anyone else being scum. Ausuka called Alex scummy early on and their current banter doesn't feel like scum/scum at all. The vote on Bella feels like an opportunistic poorly justified scum vote on a low-activity town player, from a player who was recently called out by someone for feeling like he was pushing content but not actually trying to solve. I don't remember who did this, but this player would probably also be town on an Alex scumflip.

You flip scum it does nothing for me because I completely disregard everything you've ever said as fakespew and move on.

[Crescent]

Oh, that was also Ausuka.

Yeah this isn't scum if Alex flips scum.

[Alexcellent]

Pretend that you are town and reading the following posts from someone you don't know the alignment of:

This is the only post of yours that really justifies the Bella vote at all, and it's... Very wishy washy.

So you jumped onto an active train on Bellaphant for.. What actual reasons, exactly?

Is it weird? I don't like answering questions for other people, but in this case she already answered the question and three separate people have asked about it. That's what I find weird.

I have read that post. I was directly responding to that post twice. What I don't see is any strong reason to be jumping on Bella's train.

What I do see is a

lot

of prebuilt excuses to excuse being "wrong" if that vote is placed on town.

This comes across to me as "I need to discredit this vote" and the referring to Bellaphant's wagon as an "active train" makes it sound like there's so much more steam there than there currently is, hence my questions.
But maybe I'm being defensive, I probably need other people to weigh in here.

[Shoshin]

I'm not sure what you're asking, Alex. Crescent's probably town despite posting like scum.

I understand why you're voting Bella, but I'm not interested in that lynch today.

I'd appreciate if you join me in sorting through Gamma/Datisi/Corwin/STD. We should lynch in this group today.

[Crescent]

It comes off as "This vote is garbage and I think it's coming from scum."

I asked you to give better reasoning. You did not. You dug in on completely irrelevant things instead, like arguing with Ausuka about him answering things for Bella.

I don't feel town progression from your responses. I feel like you've been trying to avoid actually talking about your vote.

[Alexcellent]

But the Marci train felt kind of off to me. Maybe it's all town, but I felt like if scum were on it, it's probably Bella (as opposed to scamper/datisi/ausuka)?

eh i disagree,
i havent read deeper into my wagon but i think datisis pretty scummy.

maybe ill look at both later but im busy rn so :shrug:

I'd need to look further there. My early read is that Datisi's town, felt like he's scumhunting and trying to sort the game. Probably worth noting how he appeared the instant you called him scummy though almost like that summoned him.

[Shoshin]

Crescent, can you link us to representative examples of your scum play?

[Alexcellent]

I'm not sure what you're asking, Alex. Crescent's probably town despite posting like scum.

I understand why you're voting Bella, but I'm not interested in that lynch today.

I'd appreciate if you join me in sorting through Gamma/Datisi/Corwin/STD. We should lynch in this group today.

Sure, i asked before but don't think you answered. Curious about your read on Corwin given his lack of posts. Is it something to do with the hood?

[Shoshin]

My early read is that Datisi's town, felt like he's scumhunting and trying to sort the game. Probably worth noting how he appeared the instant you called him scummy though almost like that summoned him.

Datisi hasn't done anything this game. He's actively posting & following the game, yet has no reads. If this was three years ago, I'd lynch them outright. You read them town for mirroring a thought you had, but c'mon - it's rare you'll find a game where scum don't say something that another townie also thought.

[Datisi]

Probably worth noting how he appeared the instant you called him scummy though almost like that summoned him.

when i'm busy, i skim for mentions of my name as that is the only thing i can respond to without having to possibly backread.

do you wanna call me scum for it?

[Datisi]

@shoshin, we don't use the l-word on this site anymore, and i haven't gotten to this game yet. i don't lurk to "avoid posting content" or whatever else because i am more than good enough at scum to know what to post.

[Shoshin]

I apologize about the l-word, my bad. Still adapting to modern ways.

[Shoshin]

Corwin's scum due to poe.

[Crescent]

I've already told you that almost everything I've posted today as town is something I'd post as scum, and that probably haven't changed very much. I've had exactly 1 scum game in the last couple of years, and it was in the 48/24 format I've played almost all of my games in.

And that one was as a replacement - I replaced someone who is basically known in that community as "Guy who replaces out day 1 as scum" and was on the defensive super early just because of the guy I replaced, so I would say it's not even applicable to a normal game. The better players took how obviously scum the slot was for granted, and I was picking them off at night. (Though, town did me a solid on day 2 in this regard) so I could lead the sheep later. I shot a VT with 3 power roles (One of which turned out to be a bastard role that did nothing) in the game night 3 just to get rid of him, took the game over on day 4, and never looked back. The game winning ML was the guy I identified as cop night 1, and had RBed on every night of the game. He claimed day 5 and promptly died.

I actually can't even remember my last scumgame before that one offhand.

[Shoshin]

i don't lurk to "avoid posting content" or whatever else because i am more than good enough at scum to know what to post.

What's your win rate as scum?