Mini Normal 2276: Around the World - Game Over!

[JohnnyFarrar]

idk i feel like datisis had the time to get into the game but just hasnt

As someone also struggling to catch up these takes are frustrate

[Freedom]

STD made a brilliant take in 279 which I don't think that he'll ever post as scum.

Can you explain this? I think the neighborhood thing would not be particularly difficult for scum to do and am confused as to why you found it towny.

He had no reason to want to make us think that scum was in the hood. He could easily convince us that we should use the hood as a psuedo-Masonry and hunt for scum outside. But instead, he takes the risky move of saying that scum could be in our hood.
Though, my POV is affected by the fact that I am in the hood.

I think anyone suggesting that a four player hood be seen as a masonry would be scumread for it so I don't think that's an approach scum are especially likely to take?

I see.
I didn't know this.
Though TBH if he suggested that we shoud pretend to be Masons, I would probably have fallen for it.
Now, you're maing me doubt my TR on STD.

[Ausuka]

Now I want a glimpse into the universe where four people claimed Mason on d1

[JohnnyFarrar]

i saw but didn't want to comment on shoshin until i was caught up, but *big sigh* at the replace of shoshin, i was p darn sure she was town and page 19 is just very very unpleasant to read

I vibe w/this

[JohnnyFarrar]

anyway i caught up and heres where im at rn:

Datisi - scum
Bellaphant - scumlean?
Ausuka - town
Crescent - town?
Alexcellent - townlean
JohnnyFarrar - scumlean
Corwinoid - scumlean
Save The Dragons - nulltown
scamper - radiant lodestar of towniness
Roden - townlean
Freedom - town
marcistar - null
Gamma Emerald - town

Hard disagree on Alex and Bella, tho I don't really have any questions.

Where does the Roden and Gamma reads come from?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I don't like this Datisi wagon and I think it's distracting from the much more correct Alex wagon so let's

VOTE: Alex

[JohnnyFarrar]

Aldo caught up. What's good?

[Freedom]

Now I want a glimpse into the universe where four people claimed Mason on d1

That's a good point.
Nobody would do that.

[Ausuka]

Aldo caught up. What's good?

If you're looking to chat, what do you think of STD and Gamma

I'm not sure they would couple up on the Freedom/shoshin wagon as scumbuddies unless Alex and Datisi are both town I guess? I don't like either of them though

[JohnnyFarrar]

Draggo I liked for the hood reveal until just recently, and they haven't posted much besides? Or if they did I don't remember?

Gamma I've been nursing a baby scumread on because of an early thing they did with Crescent, but I also just played a game with them where they were feeling down so I wanted to give them space to blossom

[Freedom]

Draggo I liked for the hood reveal until just recently, and they haven't posted much besides? Or if they did I don't remember?

STD didn't post since a day ago. But I think that it's likely because he's busy.

[Ausuka]

Draggo I liked for the hood reveal until just recently, and they haven't posted much besides? Or if they did I don't remember?

Gamma I've been nursing a baby scumread on because of an early thing they did with Crescent, but I also just played a game with them where they were feeling down so I wanted to give them space to blossom

I mean I disagree with the STD read but probably pointless to repeat myself there

Gamma I guess that's a fair approach to take? It's kind of similar to what I was trying to do with Datisi, doesn't really help me read Gamma though

I think Johnny feels town

[Gamma Emerald]

Woah neighborhood claim outta nowhere

Hm
I wanna townread this reaction

[Gamma Emerald]

ur so buddy buddy

Trying to decide if you just throwin' bows like this is townie or not? Like I'm wondering if this is toward an end or if you're just being shitty

How is that being shitty?

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
I think the back-and-forth w aussie is possibly town indicating for freedom

[Roden]

anyway i caught up and heres where im at rn:

Datisi - scum
Bellaphant - scumlean?
Ausuka - town
Crescent - town?
Alexcellent - townlean
JohnnyFarrar - scumlean
Corwinoid - scumlean
Save The Dragons - nulltown
scamper - radiant lodestar of towniness
Roden - townlean
Freedom - town
marcistar - null
Gamma Emerald - town

Hard disagree on Alex and Bella, tho I don't really have any questions.

Where does the Roden and Gamma reads come from?

I don't like this Datisi wagon and I think it's distracting from the much more correct Alex wagon so let's

VOTE: Alex

I agree with both of these takes

[Datisi]

i wanna soul-townread crescent for pointing out how anti-town shoshin's play is, because this rng roulette of constant naked "reads" is doing wonders for killing my motivation for this game. the fact that crescent noticed it too is probably? +town.

ok i wanna point out this looks like its openly pocketing crescent and trying to take advantage of her to push on shoshin, it just feels completely icky

and i think his reaction to shoshin's comment was kind of a low-key scumclaim

so with that i wanna

VOTE: Datisi

this post feels kind of ironic, considering that i never voted shoshin, and i literally said i do not think she is scum, so...

i'm open to hearing how my comment there was a "scumclaim", but this post feels like trying to take advantage of the existing datisi push :>

(this caught my eye, i'll try to catch up properly before my shift today)

[Alexcellent]

Just kind of going back and skimming over some stuff from the last several pages. I missed this

why do you think it's worth noting then?

pedit: lol

Believe this was in response to me mentioning Datisi rocking up out of the blue after Marci mentioned he might be scummy
I felt it was worth noting because that sort of thing

can

be a scum trait, IMO. But it's not solid enough for me to out right call you scum for it.

I've been trying to figure out if Datisi's frustration is from town or scum. Was sort of feeling like it could be scum that's being pressured and frustrated because a lot of the pressure was coming from Shoshin, who was pretty erratic and not really giving Datisi a lot to work with so I could see that being really annoying for scum to deal with. But overall feeling like Datisi is probs town:

wow, bella is town, i can't believe that

^ this feels like the kind of snarky quip I'd see from town that feels kinda vindicated about a TR. It could be fakeable obvs since scum!Datisi would know Bella's alignment, but I dunno this remark feels like annoyed townie going "I told ya so" and I'm not sure I see scum bothering to say it?

Only thing is he voted Marci who I think is town, and he's voting me, who is town so I'm not a fan of the votes. I'm still leaning town on him though but the funny thing is I'm kind of town reading everyone that went on his wagon (Freedom/Scamper/Marci).

[Alexcellent]

Going through Gamma's ISO and there's nothing that super jumps out as scummy. It just feels super null and I didn't exactly find anything that makes me go, oh, scum. I don't like the push on Shoshin but not in a scummy way, more in a, I don't see any real scum motivation in Shoshin slot and I disagree with the scum read there sort of way. Nothing in the ISO jumps out to me as scummy, but also nothing that screams town either. Just very, very null.

[Alexcellent]

Probably leaning towards Corwin or Johnny today

[Datisi]

roden might be townie for 539. i don't think it makes sense for him to be trying to pocket me, it's not a read that will get townread by others, and it instinctively makes sense based on what he's seen from my games. (though i would warn against reads like that because i can be useless as scum too, but y'know. he's town for it.)

hood reveal is interesting, i dont have a problem with std outing it since theres probably scum in a 4 person hood but i kind of wish he'd waited a bit longer so that we could have reads from people on the players in the hood + lemons could have posted

cuz right now my immediate thought is the lemons slot is probably scum but we learn basically nothing from it now if thats true

I really do think the setup could have a four player town hood just to fuck with the players

Like I'm not saying that's what's happening but I think it's not good to let the hood shape reads too much in a troll setup

i dont think having some slightly unusual roles is an indicator of a "troll setup". even if we assume its randomized alignments its more likely than not theres scum in the hood,

and i think "oh it's a troll setup so the hood is all town" is a weird logical leap and not good thinking

, b/c if it were that obvious the game just solves itself on day 1

the bolded is a weird logical leap. ausuka did not say that the hood is all town, like they specifically said they don't think that's necessarily the case -- i thought scamper's statement was supposed to be "clearing everyone from the hood is bad" which would've been fine, but inclusion of "troll setup" in their post while quoting ausuka calling the setup a troll setup feels like they're attaching the bolded to ausuka, which? no?

Something feels off about the timing and the VLA. I know it's a holiday and I'm trying not to let a VLA influence me, but it just feels off.

???
what feels off about that? what is the possible scum motivation for saying "btw i'm in a hood" then fucking off for a few days? (i don't think there's town motivation either, the action feels nai to me, but assigning it to scum feels Not Good.)

[Datisi]

my problem is these are posts from the first 3 pages of the game and since then hes done not much at all, and while you could probably say that about half the players in the game i dont particularly find it towny...

this post is sidestepping what alex is calling me town for, and going "well datisi has also not done anything since then. yes i know a lot of people haven't either. but it's not townie for datisi!!!" the post seems like it is supposed to address why alex's reasons for thinking i'm town aren't valid, but the only thing this actually says is "it was a while ago", which i'm sure alex is aware of

i commented on 556 already but it is a lol post

oh, i just had a thought and if that thought was correct, then i think scamper's scumpoints go up tenfold

i do wanna have a chat with you when you're here, though

[Datisi]

i think gamma might be townie based on posts around the top of page 24

i think her thoughts wrt the shoshin read actually make sense now that they're explained, as opposed to how they seemed back when it was first going down

[Freedom]

Datisi, if I'm interpreting correctly, you think that STD's inactivity is NAI and that Corniwoid's attacks on it is bad?

[Datisi]

i wanna soul-townread crescent for pointing out how anti-town shoshin's play is, because this rng roulette of constant naked "reads" is doing wonders for killing my motivation for this game. the fact that crescent noticed it too is probably? +town.

ok i wanna point out this looks like its openly pocketing crescent and trying to take advantage of her to push on shoshin, it just feels completely icky

and i think his reaction to shoshin's comment was kind of a low-key scumclaim

so with that i wanna

VOTE: Datisi

I do actually agree that this dats post was somewhat wolfy and I'd like him to explain it when he comes back

Like, I don't disagree that Crescent is town but I don't see the thought process behind this read. Why would mafia ever hesitate to call out Shoshin's play here as anti town? Especially after the trust tell thing, assuming Shoshin is town here scum would be pretty damn annoyed that she tried to clear herself in such a way?

part of it is a mindmeld. i was thinking how shoshin's play is Bad, someone else made the same comment about her play, i'm town, so crescent has increased chance of being town now.

regardless of that though, i feel like calling someone out for anti-town play is more likely to come from a town mindset? like, the overall mindset of "your play is shit and unfun but you're still town goddammit" is anti-opportunistic.

especially since crescent did say prior that shoshin's play can be a scum tactic, but then switched onto calling her town. unless they're both scum, this doesn't make much sense from crescent.

you could say that crescent wanted to appear townie by calling someone anti-town but town, and sure, maybe. but i feel like scum generally doesn't triple down on that the way crescent did, because it runs the risk of people going "wtf ok we get the point already, shut up", AND it makes it increasingly difficult for them to potentially change their mind later on that slot if they need to. it's counterintuitive to scum to do that.

as for that post pocketing crescent... yes? i am? i think she's town, i want her to think i'm town, i want us to work together. you got me.