Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation Game Over!

[Radical Rat]

TL;DR

If I'm Koba and I know that shoshin is scum, and that they aren't playing the game, I attempt to bus there regardless.

[Vivax]

TL;DR

If I'm Koba and I know that shoshin is scum, and that they aren't playing the game, I attempt to bus there regardless.

ジブリッシュ?

Who are Koba and shoshin. Cat and super mario bro?

[Enchant]

Don't talk anime language here.

[Radical Rat]

TL;DR

If I'm Koba and I know that shoshin is scum, and that they aren't playing the game, I attempt to bus there regardless.

ジブリッシュ?

Who are Koba and shoshin. Cat and super mario bro?

Koba is NotAHecticAlt.
shoshin is your slot's first occupant.

[Vivax]

TL;DR

If I'm Koba and I know that shoshin is scum, and that they aren't playing the game, I attempt to bus there regardless.

ジブリッシュ?

Who are Koba and shoshin. Cat and super mario bro?

Koba is NotAHecticAlt.
shoshin is your slot's first occupant.

I don't disagree that both scum pushing me should be treated as NAI for my slot, which is the reason I didn't like Emerald pushing the notion.
Currently though I'm warming up to the idea that Johnny could be mafia cause I'm getting the vibes that he's just lurking and trying to sentiment snipe the best wagon for his survival. Calling my posts a flail was a reach, I much prefer Aisas take on that one. I do try to have fun.
I'd also like to add that ejjnami was a lot more active in the PT.

But apparently Enchant floats the notion that there's 2 confirmed town and so far I've liked the slot for town too much to dismiss that. I don't know who he means exactly but judging by the posts I'd guess it's RR and Aisa. Those seem fairly town to me.

[Radical Rat]

He means Aisa and Gamma

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmm, NAHA also went after the Vivax slot a lot though.

I think this is a little bit different because of shoshin being the original occupant of the slot. They literally didn't post at all, which apparently is scum indicative of them according to a couple other people, and though I still find that to be a bit flimsy justification, from the perspective of their team they'd be dead weight. Their presence in the game means it takes more votes to eliminate, but they never push or vote or anything themselves. So at that point, bussing is the best option, might as well squeeze some towncred out of the situation.

the approach would likely see an attempt to give the buddy "another chance" tho
NAHA def did not reconsider Toog in any way when he came in

[Radical Rat]

At that point they'd already committed.

It would have looked really silly for them to go from "I am 100% confident on shoshin scum, I am the best at scumhunting and I am always right about lurkers" to "I guess you can have another chance"

When one of them flips red, that interaction would have been jumped on immediately if they'd tried it

[Enchant]

TL;DR

If I'm Koba and I know that shoshin is scum, and that they aren't playing the game, I attempt to bus there regardless.

ジブリッシュ?

Who are Koba and shoshin. Cat and super mario bro?

Koba is NotAHecticAlt.
shoshin is your slot's first occupant.

I don't disagree that both scum pushing me should be treated as NAI for my slot, which is the reason I didn't like Emerald pushing the notion.
Currently though I'm warming up to the idea that Johnny could be mafia cause I'm getting the vibes that he's just lurking and trying to sentiment snipe the best wagon for his survival. Calling my posts a flail was a reach, I much prefer Aisas take on that one. I do try to have fun.
I'd also like to add that ejjnami was a lot more active in the PT.

But apparently Enchant floats the notion that there's 2 confirmed town and so far I've liked the slot for town too much to dismiss that. I don't know who he means exactly but judging by the posts I'd guess it's RR and Aisa. Those seem fairly town to me.

Aisa and Gamma as remainings of Team 2.

I somehow believed kill in our team happened, because i didn't look who died carefully.

[Gamma Emerald]

At that point they'd already committed.

It would have looked really silly for them to go from "I am 100% confident on shoshin scum, I am the best at scumhunting and I am always right about lurkers" to "I guess you can have another chance"

When one of them flips red, that interaction would have been jumped on immediately if they'd tried it

scum can get away with a lot

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Elimination VC:

Vivax[2]:

Radical Rat, JohnnyFarrar

JohnnyFarrar [1]:

Enchant

Ejjinami [1]:

Vivax

not voting [3]:

Aisa, Gamma Emerald, Ejjinami

Event

Deadline

(expired on 2022-07-13 09:00:00)

[Gamma Emerald]

why is ejji town? I know some people have said he is but tbf I think he could be scum based on some of the false theory CSF was spouting, since it feels like they could have tried to instate scum for both leaders and have the third scum on both teams so each one would have two scum, letting CSF spout that false theory of 1 scum in the coalition to scum's potential benefit in either universe.

[Enchant]

I don't think ejji is town.

[Radical Rat]

Ejj is Town because they took a long time to realize the PT existed. If they were scum, they would have seen it when they went to post in the scum thread.

[Enchant]

Of course it's unfakeble.

[Vivax]

Ejj is Town because they took a long time to realize the PT existed. If they were scum, they would have seen it when they went to post in the scum thread.

That can be fake-dumbtelled.
Also weird that they would notice scum chat in the OP but not realize that there are PTs in the game.

I was very confused about mechanics as well, I just don't think that's a good reason for a read.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: ejjinami

[Enchant]

"To confuse your enemy, you must first confuse yourself."
- Maf Tsu, Art of Mafia

[Aisa]

[...]

Nah, the PT wasn't accessible at any point Vivax. (Or it was but no-one except ejjinami ever noticed.) Are you an alt by the way?

[...]

No I'm not an alt, I go by Vivax wherever I play (✟TL mafia✟, MU).

Regarding the bolded: How do you presume that it wasn't accessible or that only ejjnami noticed it? Seems like a generous assumption to make.

Ah yes, MU, that makes sense. (I was just asking because you came across as pretty confident and I was trying to understand where that came from.)

To answer your question:
- I think we may both have accidentally conflated two issues. Issue #1 is: was there a link to the scum PT in the original post? Issue #2 is: if there was a link, was the PT accessible to any townies?
- It is possible that issue #1 occurred, and I'll give you that it's possible that people other than ejjinami noticed. Maybe they just didn't say anything because if issue #2 didn't occur, issue #1 is not a big deal?
- If your point is that ejjinami noticing and pointing out #1 is slightly scum-indicative, sure, I'll give you that. Maybe mafia are more attentive to such things or something.
- I am not an authority on the forum software, but I believe that for issue #2 to occur the moderator needs to specifically grant access to a townie in error. It's very likely that did not occur. If that did occur, no townie noticed it. If a townie noticed issue #2, I have no idea why they didn't say anything.

So I guess my point is: it's possible the OP contained a link to the scum chat and ejjinami noticing that may be somewhat scum-indicative, but like, it does not outright spew ejjinami scum as you seemed to believe.

By the way,

@ejjinami

, I'd like you to explain exactly what you meant when you made that post (I have a theory I'd like to check).

[...]
I don't disagree that both scum pushing me should be treated as NAI for my slot, which is the reason I didn't like Emerald pushing the notion.
Currently though I'm warming up to the idea that Johnny could be mafia cause I'm getting the vibes that he's just lurking and trying to sentiment snipe the best wagon for his survival. Calling my posts a flail was a reach, I much prefer Aisas take on that one. I do try to have fun.
I'd also like to add that ejjnami was a lot more active in the PT.

But apparently Enchant floats the notion that there's 2 confirmed town and so far I've liked the slot for town too much to dismiss that. I don't know who he means exactly but judging by the posts I'd guess it's RR and Aisa. Those seem fairly town to me.

Wait, is that why you pushed Gamma a little? Have you read e.g. my post on why Gamma and I are probably town? Do you agree or disagree?

[Gamma Emerald]

why did vivax's avi disappear?

[Aisa]

Ejj is Town because they took a long time to realize the PT existed. If they were scum, they would have seen it when they went to post in the scum thread.

That can be fake-dumbtelled.
Also weird that they would notice scum chat in the OP but

not realize that there are PTs in the game

.

I was very confused about mechanics as well, I just don't think that's a good reason for a read.

Not quite sure what you mean by the bolded, but I think you may be misunderstanding how PTs work again?

Also am I right that all this talk by Vivax is... pretty much a towntell?

[Enchant]

why did vivax's avi disappear?

You really enjoy cows?


Also when i am mafia, and see something which needed to be corrected but scummy to do.

I GO TO MOD PMS.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Miltank is a neat Pokemon, yes

[Aisa]

+1 what Enchant said.

...now wondering whether I should set my avatar to Miltank

why is ejji town? I know some people have said he is but tbf I think he could be scum based on some of the false theory CSF was spouting, since it feels like they could have tried to instate scum for both leaders and have the third scum on both teams so each one would have two scum, letting CSF spout that false theory of 1 scum in the coalition to scum's potential benefit in either universe.

I had that thought too!

The reason I think ejjinami is probably town is - well - the dreaded

tone read

I should probably do better than to sit on the same read I had two weeks ago, I know I know. I will re-evaluate in the next couple days, I promise.

I think I still want RR. Reasoning incoming.

[Vivax]

[...]

Nah, the PT wasn't accessible at any point Vivax. (Or it was but no-one except ejjinami ever noticed.) Are you an alt by the way?

[...]

No I'm not an alt, I go by Vivax wherever I play (✟TL mafia✟, MU).

Regarding the bolded: How do you presume that it wasn't accessible or that only ejjnami noticed it? Seems like a generous assumption to make.

Ah yes, MU, that makes sense. (I was just asking because you came across as pretty confident and I was trying to understand where that came from.)

To answer your question:
- I think we may both have accidentally conflated two issues. Issue #1 is: was there a link to the scum PT in the original post? Issue #2 is: if there was a link, was the PT accessible to any townies?
- It is possible that issue #1 occurred, and I'll give you that it's possible that people other than ejjinami noticed. Maybe they just didn't say anything because if issue #2 didn't occur, issue #1 is not a big deal?
- If your point is that ejjinami noticing and pointing out #1 is slightly scum-indicative, sure, I'll give you that. Maybe mafia are more attentive to such things or something.
- I am not an authority on the forum software, but I believe that for issue #2 to occur the moderator needs to specifically grant access to a townie in error. It's very likely that did not occur. If that did occur, no townie noticed it. If a townie noticed issue #2, I have no idea why they didn't say anything.

So I guess my point is: it's possible the OP contained a link to the scum chat and ejjinami noticing that may be somewhat scum-indicative, but like, it does not outright spew ejjinami scum as you seemed to believe.

By the way,

@ejjinami

, I'd like you to explain exactly what you meant when you made that post (I have a theory I'd like to check).

[...]
I don't disagree that both scum pushing me should be treated as NAI for my slot, which is the reason I didn't like Emerald pushing the notion.
Currently though I'm warming up to the idea that Johnny could be mafia cause I'm getting the vibes that he's just lurking and trying to sentiment snipe the best wagon for his survival. Calling my posts a flail was a reach, I much prefer Aisas take on that one. I do try to have fun.
I'd also like to add that ejjnami was a lot more active in the PT.

But apparently Enchant floats the notion that there's 2 confirmed town and so far I've liked the slot for town too much to dismiss that. I don't know who he means exactly but judging by the posts I'd guess it's RR and Aisa. Those seem fairly town to me.

Wait, is that why you pushed Gamma a little? Have you read e.g. my post on why Gamma and I are probably town? Do you agree or disagree?

I'd say my confidence is just how I play this game. I'm not necessarily as talkative 'off-paper', and definitely not as pompous.
My town play can be very disruptive at times. I just love chaotic, emotional games and can be quite reckless at provoking that in a game.

Regarding §1 I'd say it's not a slam dunk reason if ejjnami wasn't able to access it. I'd also like to add that I got powerscum vibes off them in the PT and mentioned it there, but that was more feels based.
As for §2 (Gamma), I'll have to think it through because I don't know if 3 scum in a PT killing off everyone else wouldn't be too obvious to spot for the people from the other PT before mafia could secure a victory. Since I'm a sub/replacement I don't really have a good grasp on the alternating phases for now to be able to reconstruct that off the bat.
What would the town tell be, please do tell?

As for the avatar, it just stopped working. Got it from N_M so who knows.