LOST (Game Over)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yoink

[Rad]

How come all of the leading wagons in this game are really bad?

scum are either strong players or lurking imo

If ceph flips scum, this becomes a funny post lol

I feel like it's also the type of post that can quite feasibly come from good/experienced scum? A lot of the time you assume scum maybe don't want to draw any attention to what the makeup of their team could be, but in a big game like this making associatives can be hard and I can see scum being more willingly to openly comment on what the scumteam may be like, even if only to misdirect.

I think this is a clever take. Nice.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm one away from usurping the throne

[Frogsterking]

Frog, can you answer my question please?

Yes, I can try.

Penguin looks like a slot who may have slipped through the cracks early on. I recall Bell voicing suspicions about the slot's inconsistent presence solving in the thread, maybe Bell posted this sometime around yesterday afternoon, and I'm taking those suspicions relatively seriously. I don't think any of my strong townreads are willing to go to bat for penguin and that's the sort of thing I'm looking for right now. Penguin maybe has more posts than what I'm looking for, but looking at their iso it seems their post count may be inflated and their actual content fairly sparse.

OTH is complicated because I don't have much experience with Hydras, and I've played with 1 head (Gamma) a very long time ago and none with the other head. I mainly ruled out OTH due to my stronger townreads being willing to go to bat for the slot, who have more experience playing with marci, so collecting new information from my townreads is going to be the biggest factor in how I assess the slot.

A couple other complications with the OTH slot are my initial interaction with the slot as well as the conflicting opinions posted in the thread regarding marci's scum game. My initial take on OTH was negative which points modestly to chances of flipping red, but it also means I'm more likely to be biased trying to read the slot now. I think the conflicting information posted about marci's scum game in the thread indicates an overall lack of experience playing with or against marci's scum game, as well as highly variable scum play from marci.

I also decided in answer to your question earlier about compromises on Ceph, that I'm willing to compromise vote Corwin because his claim that I showed preferential treatment to Mala looked like shade, and I respect the process I took to reach 1 out of 3 Corwin/Roden/BBT, I'm willing to stand by it as far as Corwin goes even though since then I've thought you and Roden seem more likely to flip town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Read my iso I think I’ve made it pretty clear who I’m not currently feeling great about.

ok the whole point of this excercise is so I don't have to read your iso to figure out who you are not feeling great about, just give me their names plz <3

[MalcolmTucker]

I'm not necessarily keen on reads list, especially in a bigger game where it's genuinely hard to sort a lot of players, but this is roughly where I'd say I'm at in terms of how I'm feeling. Some players here I'd genuinely forgotten were in the game though given the size.

Town

Rad
Dunnstral
Cat Scratch Fever
Lukewarm
Taly
Frogsterking
Dwlee99
Off the Hook
T-Bone
Klick

Null/unsure

Malakittens
PookyTheMagicalBear
BlueBloodedToffee
Corwinoid
Enchant
Bellaphant
Bell
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine
PenguinPower

Possible scum

Galron
Cephrir
Dancing Puppets
Roden
The toad

[Bellaphant]

@bbt, ceph improved in my eyes for a bit and then a wagon formed on him and he actually got worse! He got weird and ate and sarky

I wrote this hours ago, with a p-edit about corwin but it didn't go through

[Frogsterking]

@Dancing Puppets

Titus is willing to compromise vote Ceph for info, yes or no?

Nancy is willing to townblock Dunnstral, yes or no?

[Lukewarm]

I do think some people need to back track a little and start taking safer reads/stances. Since a lot of times I feel like they're town binning people for poor reasons or just because they responded to them.

This is not something I intend to do on day 1 of a large game

Always be refining
-Bell

As I see new things, people can move up and down. I just meant i wasn't gonna "back track"

[Dancing Puppets]

How come all of the leading wagons in this game are really bad?

scum are either strong players or lurking imo

If ceph flips scum, this becomes a funny post lol

I feel like it's also the type of post that can quite feasibly come from good/experienced scum? A lot of the time you assume scum maybe don't want to draw any attention to what the makeup of their team could be, but in a big game like this making associatives can be hard and I can see scum being more willingly to openly comment on what the scumteam may be like, even if only to misdirect.

I think this is a clever take. Nice.

Oh yeah, I forgot about you. @Pooky you can use your green magic marker on RAD as well.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sure who do i use my red marker on for u

[Frogsterking]

@Malcolm

If you haven't explained the Dwlee town read already in your iso, can you explain?

If you've already explained it feel free to tell me to read better and I will find it in your iso later.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Is there a question in there kitty? It's not wild that you would come to that conclusion. I did mention I wouldn't be voting for either of them right after Luke's original post, but it's true I didn't explain

[MalcolmTucker]

VOTE: Pooky

This is my hot take before I slither back into the abyss

I agree with Pooky's reasons early for scumreading frogster's play from a meta standpoint but then he goes limp on the read and isn't voting there

I personally didn't get the vibe this post was particularly likely to come from scum.

[Dancing Puppets]

sure who do i use my red marker on for u

Are you actually trying to piss me off or what?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Is there a question in there kitty? It's not wild that you would come to that conclusion. I did mention I wouldn't be voting for either of them right after Luke's original post, but it's true I didn't explain

I guess not, beyond if you have a master key-esque explanation that would make it make sense lol

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Willing to talk Ceph, what you want?

Can you give me some words on any reads you feel relatively strongly about, perhaps?

Sure.

OTH felt super basic early game, posts like 214 look decent on the surface but when you actually analyze them there isn't much there. I also don't see how answers to their questions gain anything in terms of advancing reads. 261 is more of the same.

263 This is a poor push on Rad and seems to be the best they can come up with at this point of the game? Again, just basic, surface level posting.

278 They then meta'd themselves as an attempt at a defence for asking 'seemingly filler questions.'

Nothing they post comes across as genuine scumhunting and more of just trying to look busy, combine this with weak pushes and through the first 20 pages, they don't look great.

Penguin is an interesting one for me because as I was reading it felt like everyone and their dog were town reading them and I couldn't understand why. I didn't understand the vote on Bella (133) or the vote on Ceph [170. He says early votes are not serious, OK then, sure we'll go with that.

But then he says that he likes Frog's push back on OTH (283. This seems like it gives him a better reason to vote than his naked vote on Ceph. But he doesn't and as far as I'm caught up to, he still hasn't moved his vote. This probably wouldn't be a problem if the Ceph wagon wasn't the biggest and most prevalent wagon in the game at the time. It just feels like he stays on it much longer than he needs to (for a non-serious early game vote)

Other scum reads not as strong with minor reasons and explaining town reads has always seemed like nonsense to me - unless said person is likely to be elimmed of course.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I also decided in answer to your question earlier about compromises on Ceph, that I'm willing to compromise vote Corwin because his claim that I showed preferential treatment to Mala looked like shade, and I respect the process I took to reach 1 out of 3 Corwin/Roden/BBT, I'm willing to stand by it as far as Corwin goes even though since then I've thought you and Roden seem more likely to flip town.

I don't want to elim Corwin today.

You seem in agreement about Penguin, so, how about it?

[Dancing Puppets]

Read my iso I think I’ve made it pretty clear who I’m not currently feeling great about.

ok the whole point of this excercise is so I don't have to read your iso to figure out who you are not feeling great about, just give me their names plz <3

I haven’t read anything that happened from the time my internet went out on Thursday night until I made my initial post today but I recall I wasn’t feeling too great about either BBT or Ceph. I’m sorry I don’t have any confident srs yet.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it's fine to not have any confident SRs

you can always add/change your reads later

[Cephrir]

One scum in Roden/BBT/Corwin is such an eclectic group to tie together. What interactions do they have that leads you to believe all this?

It was based on PoE, not interactions.

I'm rethinking my PoE based on Rad's point about Blue's activity levels, my new take last night that Roden is townie, and CSF's initial gut take that Corwin is townie.

Assuming that my PoE was wrong, which seems likely, there is at least one scum who is collecting town reads, and Corwin/BBT/Roden may be getting scapegoated to some extent. I think Ceph is a great example of a slot who fits what I'm looking for and is playing well within their scum range.

Noted collector of townreads in this game cephrir

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Is there a question in there kitty? It's not wild that you would come to that conclusion. I did mention I wouldn't be voting for either of them right after Luke's original post, but it's true I didn't explain

It's not related to my original post, but I don't mind talking through your Frogster scumread, since I don't think you've explained that one yet and I'm really townreading that slot

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Possible scum

Galron
Cephrir
Dancing Puppets
Roden
The toad

Talk to me about Ceph and Toad?

@bbt, ceph improved in my eyes for a bit and then a wagon formed on him and he actually got worse! He got weird and ate and sarky

I haven't read up to this point yet. I asked earlier if you had any developments on Penguin from your early game ping, did you have anything else? Would you be willing to vote there today?

[Frogsterking]

@Bell

Scum!Ceph throws shade at LHF lurker partners for distancing, yes or no?

@Luke

Aren't you the one who had me and frogster as S+S in your notes? What changed?

Wrong, Corwin was the lurker slot with the SvS notes, not Taly.

@Corwin

Not true, Luke and I both TR Mala slot. You can find the exact point I decided to rule out the Mala slot for D1 in my iso.

You want to help me out with that, because your mentions of mala in your iso go from "I have played scum with scum!Mala and town with scum!Mala and I admit their start seems a little different in this game." in 482, to town binning her for pooky's spreadsheet at 1260, to not mentioning her again a single time (at least by name) until just now.

This is possibly a contrived attempt at pretend-solving, I specifically decided to town bin Mala around the time I posted 482. That was my main motivation for sharing that comment in 482. Mala isn't mentioned again because I had no new takes on the slot. That's not difficult to understand. If you're town and this isn't pretend-solving, then stop shading my slot for no reason.

[Cephrir]

I think that Cephrir is very good at making people feel bad about voting for him. As I mentioned before, I associate this with his scum game more than I do his town game. I feel like that is what is happening here.

Catching up but despite feeling Cephir was townie early on I'm starting to largely agree with this. Cephir's responses to Dunn aren't the best and it feels a bit like Cephir is deflecting there. Going from town to suspicious a bit, albeit still working my way through the past 10 pages or so.

Thanks for the hot take dude